You still haven't answered the question.

What happens when the pool of sponsors becomes so small that you can't make money?

You think programs are over exposed now? Just wait.

After the Visa bullshit, Acacia and whatever else is headed our way.

Jesus dude please don't make me agree with you on anything else.

Excellent point Paul :thumbsup

I am in the very same situation (plus I do have paysites) I have lots of projects that are "on ice" for now cause my customers don't know if they will still be in business in couple of months ...

As a designer, I now leave on volume, those nice years (96-99) are over now, and if ACACIA wins it's point, there will be ALOT less new webmasters in the future, these wabmasters are the ones who will buy my designs, Paul's content, will send traffic to XYZ sponsor, will buy keywords at Sex.Com, etc, etc... this touches all of us in a way or another, no exeption.

Don't forget thet we are the ONLY business model in the world where we are all working together even in the competition...

:2 cents:

sorry ...
I will try not to let that happen again. ; )

excellent question.

Anyone call up their list of sponsors to see if they had settled?

That if they did, did they get the same provision that Hustler got about protecting affiliates?

Haven't seen or heard anyone doing this.



Fight the Patent!

1) IMPA is accepting membership applications for $100/year and accepting donations

2) Yup, i haven't reached the pledge drive goal, so my ACLU-type approach of directly helping the little guys defend themselves is just a neat concept.

3) If you make less than $50K gross, then the fee is $1,500 PER YEAR. If you make more, it costs more (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/pr...eAgreement.pdf)

4) The Defense Fund does have a buy-in of 35K, but they are trying to figure out how to incorporate smaller amounts.


Read in FTP's Acacia FAQ for all things acacia: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=190214




Fight the Patent!

AMEN Charly , and i am like you , if i know you laid down for them and i am making for you guess what not any more find a new maker !

what does it have to do with anything I said?
I said that I cant boycot sponsors that make me money only because they settled with acacia...
I donated money to impa to fight acacia to save all those small sponsors your talking about.

It is very convenient to place blame and direct the witch hunt to the names you know...

Has anyone ever talked to FM????

Does anyone know if Larry Flynt is even aware of the Acacia Law Suit in detail????

Where were all of you when Larry Flynt was fighting for the rights of this community. If he went to the clink today would you be there with YOUR checkbook out...

My point is that I KNOW most of the people you are claiming have conspired against all of you....

At the end of the day decisions are made based upon what makes sense for the books......I doubt very seriously any of the people mentioned have spent time conspiring to fuck the little guy....that sounds paranoid and delusional.

Holio made a decision to try and be removed from the complaint....why....for you...for the good of man kind......no....it was because that is what made the most sense on a business level.

best wishes to all of you....A Holio feed package can help ease the tension in such stressful times

It has everything to do with what you said...since you can't quite follow the thread I'll break it down for you.

You said "if a sponsor converts like a mofo and they signed with acacia I won't give a fuck.."

My response is if this shit goes the way acacia wants it to, and more than likely the way a few of the big boys want it to there will only be a few major sponsors left standing.

There goes your conversions when everyone and their mama is promoting the same ALREADY over exposed sites.

Then you said: "but without those sponsors I wont be able to donate shit"

My response is the same.

Your view of this is VERY shortsighted.

Sure it's "Biz" for them. But for you and gallery builders it will soon be a nail in your coffin.

Sure some people will weather this storm, and you just may be one of them...but then again you just may not.

this is true cept for one aspect that's become a recent highlight in the whole affair - and that's the alligations of leakage to acacia of client name databases.

taking care of yourself and your company is one thing
Ratting someone else out is ANOTHER

and a WHOLE other ball of wax

then quit fucking posting, go buy a fucking vidoe, post it on your site, send acacia the URL and your contact information and find out what the rest of us are finding out ...

in case you forgot -> Reference here ... towards the bottom of the page.

Sleazy I could not agree with you more....

It is a very big concern, one I think we are all keeping a very watchful eye on....

I do know that I would make damn sure I know who I am accusing.... and know for a fact that the person being accused is guilty of the alleged actions.

This selling out part is very sad.....even worse than the suit itself

jim - i have a LOT of respect for you.

the person being accused today has MANY respectable people that have pointed the finger at them for snitching.

that person basically said in other threads today- if acacia got the list then someone stole it from me and gave it acacia.......

ok - shit happens, we all know that in this industry. But if acacia is invloved in THEFT, wouldn't the person who lost the lost be suing acacia about it..........


if someone stole your client list would you let them get away with it? Well first off, noone's getting NEAR YOUR client list, but in the 1 in a GAzillion chance that it happened I know SWIFT legal action would follow against ALL those invloved in the theft.

Your loss of respect is a choice that you made....one that of course makes me feel bad as nobody likes losing any respect.

I do not want to see some people I know get thrown into a catagory that they do not belong in...

In particular the Flynt Digital crew...I have seen some posts that have lumped them into the same category as the "they have sold us out" lists of people.

I know them quite well and it is difficult to see people you know and respect get mud on them they do not deserve.

If you lose respect for me because of this that is your perogitive. I do know that this post will be my last regartding this matter. It is too difficult to articulate meaning on broad subjects especially when they can have such a dramatic impact.

I cannot speak for everyone who has been accused of giving up names...

My point was that before sopmething isposted that could really hurt business for someone make sure you are 100% sure you know something to be true....that is all.

I am as eager to see how this shakes out as the next person.

JH