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The domain that's listed in my letter is one that I don't even own. A friend of mine still owns the domain. He hasn't gotten a letter.
Obviously they didn't get the info from WHOIS. And as I have stated in another thread, there's a typo consistent with my Matrix info on the letter. |
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i just got my letter today (postmarked 10/21) and want to throw my 2 cents in... i don't think it was matrix because of the way the name on the letter was formatted... i used my company name, xyz co, Llc... now i never purchased from maxtrix but i have signed up to view their content. i checked the account info when i logged into matrix and my company name was formatted correctly... xyz co, LLC (llc in all caps).... now the ONLY company i know that formats my company name with Llc is ccbill.. i know everyone must have signed up with ccbill before in their life.. can anyone verify their name formatting with ccbill?
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Why is everyone still saying they "think" its Matrix?
We've got at least 100+ webmasters easy with a unique address that the letters were addressed to that were only on file in Matrix's database. It WAS Matrix. |
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NB@Matrix 10/27/20 8:19 PM We had to evacuate our office because of the fire. Can you please call me tomorrow. I just hope our office is still there JFPDude 10/27/20 8:20 PM absolutely NB@Matrix 10/27/20 8:20 PM cool! I'm really pissed about this! JFPDude 10/27/20 8:20 PM I hope everything goes good for you ... and I hope we get resolution to this because your content works best for some of my design clients NB@Matrix 10/27/20 8:22 PM If it is our list we will cut their balls off. Their ball are in their wallet! JFPDude 10/27/20 8:22 PM :-D |
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and did you hear that I am "murderer" ... This is just a witch hunt until NLB/Matrix replies ... The truth is (IMO) all those who have signed contracts and "deals" with Acacia have to submit information that can be cross referenced wtih other "licensees" ... I believe it's Schedule "B" that you have to fill out. Come on ... we all know how to cross reference dbases ... Why are you nailing matrix when it's ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED providing the information ... wake up ... Just like Acacia picked on the "adult industry" they picked on a particular companies "monthly report" ... Matrix just happens to be the first ... others will follow ... wake up and donate to IMPAI.org or FightThisPatent.com ... wake up ... |
Norman you opened your big fuking mouth, said you would repsond on Monday. FUCK THE FIRES. You could have said
Hey everyone, we're still tryng to get to the bottom of this. Please be patient with us and we'll have answers soon. But no. A simple little statement and you couldn't even do it. By not saying something, YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHNG. |
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sexeducation, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your statement above is 100% false. I can't speak for everyone as I have not seen copies of other executed licenses, but I do know what we signed. The license that Hustler and Vivid signed did not ask for affiliate information, nor are we required to provide affiliate information at any time for sales reporting or for any other reason. Why would they need affiliate information to check sales information? They charge on gross sales, so all they need are general sales reports and/or tax returns. Acacia clearly got a webmaster list from somewhere, but it was not something that was required from all licensees. At least it wasn't required from us. This doesn't address the issue of how webmaster information DID get out, but we really don't need more mis-information floating around to add to the confusion and speculation. My point here is that just because a sponsor settled does NOT mean they are giving up affiliate information. My guess is that the majority of companies who settled were not required or asked for affiliate info. |
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I do know 100% that my info came from Matrix there is no if's about it.. Now the only question is was it given up willingly or not .. and what will Matrix's response be. |
just something to think about for those that sign up and those that are thinking of it.
Acacia may take 2% of your profits, but where did the 98% of what you have left come from? Don't bite the hand that feeds you. |
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http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/html_forms/aupt.html . |
this sucks balls, matrix has the best content
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Why would Acacia just accept a "general sales report"? I believe they have an audit provision in their agreement. That pretty much says they can crawl up your ass if they want to. I think it's pretty naive to think they'll just say "Ok people, time for your general sales reports! Fax 'em in!" As for tax returns, what if one has offshore companies that don't necessarily pay US taxes? I hope you have it in writing that Acacia hereby agrees to accept whatever sales report you give them. In my opinion they seem to have an ability to say one thing and do another. |
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First of all, I'm not sure which agreement you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure it's not the one we signed :) I doubt any two Acacia agreements are worded exactly the same. All of our corps are US based and do file US tax returns. In fact, Hustler has regular audits done by a big 5 accounting firm and has for a long time. I think that would more than get the job done :) Also, I really don't understand how anyone would use affiliate information to tie into sales reports? We do MAJOR business that does not come from affiliates so affiliate sales data would only give them a part of the equation anyway. I would say that most major programs are in a similar situation. I can't speak for others, but we are very careful with audit rights in ANY agreement we sign and Acacia will not be looking at our affiliate info for the purpose of an audit or for any other reason. What you're saying might apply to others (I don't know), but it doesn't apply to us for all of the reasons I stated above. |
I think it's pretty naive to think they'll just say "Ok people, time for your general sales reports! Fax 'em in!"
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Based on that same logic, if they did ask for affiliate data, would they just let us fax ithose reports in? At some point, they have to believe that the data being provided is true. For us, Tax Returns will more than prove that. They won't need any further detail to collect their fees. I just think there is enough fear and confusion out there right now and I'm trying to make a point that just because a sponsor or content provider settles does not automatically mean they are required to give up affiliate info, etc. |
If you were Acacia would you go after the webmaster/affiliate list from one of the big sponsors or would you go after the webmaster list from one of the top content providers that sells primarily to paysite owners that make a lot more money as a group?
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Karma is a bitch isn't it Norman?
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Matrix's silence is deafening.
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NLB remember me calling you guys to get my womans account approved for her very first adult site, a dating site? lets just say that our packet came to her. She is not signed up under her married name ANYWHERE but you guys. and only with you because she used yer content to make her site design mate.
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2% of your gross income :2 cents: |
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Bump!
I am aware of the fires in area and I hope all is well, but ? |
I'm sure Norman has a computer at home he can reply with, no?
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If it is any help, I signed up fo access at Matrix on 09-25-2003. I did not buy anything. If Acacia aquired the list from Matrix, it occurred after that date. I am still of the belief that Acacia pooled names from several lists.
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Its not an old list... its a new one. Got me a brand new Matrix account before I left for Vancovuer. Mispelled our company name on accident. Came home from Vancouver, got a letter adressed to a mispelled company name.
All the proof I need. Fuck Matrix. Seems Meatman may be poking into something on the Acacia front... http://www.netpond.com/threaded/show...&threadid=7141 |
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It's been a while, but I'll add my :2 cents: . I know that the acacia assholes got my info from a matrix database because being new in the industry, the only movies I've ever bought/licensed were through MC.
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where is the reply from nlb. Its wednesday now and still nothing.
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Its been proved imo
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Yup MC is the only place I used a Company name.. and it was on my letter.. They sold out...
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This thread's about to get jiggy ]:-}} |
lil2rich yet got another kick in the balls. nice one. once scam artist, alway... ya know the drill.
Whatever, let's face it. Matrix has the best content around, and therefore I will keep on buying from them. Acacia can lick ma balls. |
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Norm, In consideration of how everyone feels right now about Acacia and all the posts linking the recent letters to Matrix, however they were obtained, this post you just made throwing such intense attitude at everyone here who are pissed off as hell since many of them are being wrongfully accused of infringing on bullshit when they've done nothing at all, is only going to create more animosity towards your company. If I were you I would take a way different approach on this matter and try to make peace with the people who have done business with you and not war. Just my 2 cents. |
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post proof or shut your fucking trap asshole ... making up shit lies about me or anyone else will not save your dumbass now. my rep? how about the hundreds of others posting about you? i didnt post an accusation, i posted PROOF ... and i NEVER changed my information ... EVER show proof like i have, or shut the fuck up i have NEVER violated you or your content, you are making shit up. |
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That is just plain retarded. Yeah, feed more fuel into the fire, piss off more of your customers until you can close down your content store. |
I have several cases of slander and defamation to file on all you people with "100%" proof. Payback is a bitch on wheels!
Dude, 100% proof in my mind that that info came from your site. Whether its you, your host, your staff, don't care... it came from your end. Sue me. It's my personal opinion that anyone that would make money off of webmasters then do this to them deserves everything they get. |
Its gettin hot in here........ so take off all your cloths...
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I have no idea if your database was used, but by your post it looks like you don't care what your own customers think or how your company might have damaged their business. These are not just people attacking you, these are your customers. Do you understand that? If your database was stolen, you may have cost people hundreds of thousands of dollars and you come here and slam them? Some of these people may go out of business because of the possible actions of someone at your company. Do you even care? You should be doing nothing less than compiling information from your customers and filing a lawsuit against Acacia. Anything less than that and you're just making excuses. Instead of threatening to sue Acacia, you are threatening to sue your own customers! I almost never make serious posts on this board, but this is one of the most fucked up things I've seen here. Instead of trying to solve a problem, you attack your own customers. Unbelievable fuck up. |
Just a note Norm.
Printed falsehoods are libel not slander. However the information has to be false if you want to start suing people here for libel. The overwhelming evidence thus far presented would lead one to conclusively believe the source is indeed your company. No one knows positively how our personal info was acquired by Acacia via this alleged Matrix connection. That remains a mystery. So is there anything you can show everyone that will indicate it came from someone else besides your company? |
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