good thought

Yes, since someone from Acacia was on some show a few months back whining about how webmasters are all urging each other to fight them and their bogus patent claims and extortions.... Like we're supposed to just bend over and take it.

hmm, do we want everyone to know what we are doing? Would it be to our benifit that others see a grass roots movement to fight Acacia? I think this is something we should ask a attorney about.

I'll do whatever I can. I can't donate too much, but I'll donate what I can.

Count me in!

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You have my full support choker ;-)

Who the fuck d they think they are!! fuckers!!!

OK, so it looks like many are onboard. So first step is to get a list together of attorneys. I think it goes without saying that a attorney that has already dealt with Acacia would be to our advantage. Anyone who has settled with Acacia or even had a attorney involved with Acacia please post thier contact info, what they did, your recomendations etc. Lets get this rolling. We can have a nice list and be ready to start calling attorneys Monday morning.

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First of all (as previously pointed out) you wouldn't be sued in CA. You would be sued in FL. Which helps me 'jack shit'.

Yes a group could file a countersuit but that would not stop pending litigation against the individuals.

Why do you say this? I am pretty damn sure they have choice of venue. If that is the case naturally they will sue you in a location that is bennificial to them and as costly for you as possible. Generally companies will sue you near their head quarters, thus making it cheaper for their legal fees, while you and your attornies ect. need to be present in that location which costs you even more money.


As for grouping together, is that not what the impai is doing?

WOE WOE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

Larry Walters has a patent pending for AGE VERIFICATION !

Some previous posts about this are here:

http://chat.ynotmasters.com/legal/Ch...22&Site_ID=leg

http://chat.ynotmasters.com/public/C...98&Site_ID=yno

If you need more.. there is plenty more where that came from!

http://www.birthdateverifier.com/

I created a script a while back that verified age by birth date and received an email from him that I might be infringing on his patent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's get a list of attorneys together first and make a few phone calls and get a estimation on what the total cost may be per webmaster. If it is $100 each, then everyone who wants to be represented ponies up $100. If later on we have to fight more and costs goes up by $50 per webmaster, pay the $50 more or the attorney no longer represents you. Pretty simple, I think :arcadefre

I'd go with whoever Holio used, since they are the only one to have won.

Who the fuck cares if they settled, anyone can do that.

Cool, that would only mean about 260,000 webmasters paying 100.00 each.

Would it be cheaper for me to fly to California, find a attorney and fight there or

The same attorney/firm flies to California and represents us all. If they file the cases in California, there is NO WAY a judge would not agree to hear all the cases at the same time, if the same attorney represented the repsondants of 500 different cases. The court would much rather clear their docket by holding one trial than 500 trials. But the reson for this post is not to go to trial. It is to avoid going to trial.

Dismissed without prejudice is not winning. Not trying to burst your bubble. Look up that legal term.

One might ask you the same guy. I have no clue what YOU are talking about.

All I asked what where is Larry on all this?

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Holio is not what they seem. Do you NOT think that if Holio WON there would be no more lawsuits?

Think about it my friend. It has been said by others that Holios "win" is the reason letters are being sent out!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...#p ost2584875

Umm avoid going to trial? Are you thinking of performing some sort of settlement?

Ah.. great! We're on the same page then :thumbsup

Dude, the costs will never be like this. We are talking about getting a attorney to challenge Acacias claims that TGPs and other free sites are NOT violating this patent. That's it. If this has to go to trial, we are all fucked so much it will not matter at that point anymore. If Acacia can prove that a site linking to movies is in violation of their license, then nothing really matters anymore, now does it?

I doubt the attorney will have to do much more than research and discussion with Acacia. the goal here is to get a written legal document from Acacia agreeing NOT to pursue legal action against webmasters he or she represents. Think of the precedent this could set.

Court cases have been dismissed before because the bad guy decided not to pursue someone, or because a sweetheart deal was made. I'm not saying that about Holio, because I don't know for sure, but I can tell you it's common practice.

FreeAdultContent is right a dismiss is not a win. Going before a judge and jury and being awarded in your favor is winning.

I'm in... let me know when we can start donating... this is a great way to stop this nonsense.. thanx Chocker

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good stuff choker!

yeah lets go tro war

i like choker!!

I could of sworn I read yesterday that Jim@Holio said that they did not settle. So what that means is the other side dropped the suit? Or decided they wouldn't win.

Anyhow I would suggest talking to their attorney since anyone who has settled has not helped the cause only themselves.

I feel for you and understand your thought process man, really I do. I would love to see you be able to do this. Would they fold like that though? I honestly would give better odds to a quadruple amptutee wining an olympic medal in track and field events.
You said they key words yourself in your post. "Think of the precedent this could set" Unless they are complete and utter morons, which they do not seem to be. They would not open such a loophole as this.

No not at all. I am talking about getting a attorney to challenge Acacia's claim that any site linking to another site with movies on it is NOT IN VIOLATION of their license. In order for Acacia to prove this, well think about how stupid this would make them look. Think Acacia wants to explain to a jury why they go after joeblow who runs a 10k a day tgp instead of google? This would be a DISASTER for Acacia.

This is a loose loose situation for Acacia

1. If Acacia insists that tgps are in violation, they are fucked. This means every site on the web practically is in violation. Think any sane jury would rule in Acaci's favor if it went to trial?

2. If Acacia agrees that sites linking to other sites with movies on it them are not in violation, all free sites are off the hook and a MAJOR precendent is set for others to use in fighting their patent diputes with Acacia

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[B]where is lawrence walters in all this?
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Um, isn't Larry a 1st amendment (free speech) attorney?





Fight the Patent!

It was dismissed without prejudice. This is just a legal term that means neither side wins. The without prejudice means the court will not take either side at this time, and either side may file another suit when they desire.

Awesome idea choker! We can fight back against this joke of a patent if we all battle against it.

Can someone design a page for us webmasters to sign up and then we can get a better idea on how much each of us will pay after all costs are tallied up.

:ak47: Acacia

All the TGP'ers can file a class action lawsuit!

Should you pull this fund together and get an attorney, have them contact me, I will help out with the prior art stuff I have found and present my observations and findings.



Fight the Patent!

Arghhhhhh!!!! man we should just talk so you can ask your attorney some key questions. Again your theory of logic is sound, but court rooms do not operate on logic.

I created a script a while back that verified age by birth date and received an email from Larry Walters that I might be infringing on his patent! The script I used is the same type as on the http://www.budweiser.com site and has been around since the early '90's. Larry's script is here: http://www.birthdateverifier.com/

Tell me that his Trademarked Patent Pendind script hasn't been used/seen all over the net in the past?

Has anyone seen recommendations from people in the industry for Larry Walters or just articles made by him to promote himself? hhhhhmmmmm

Yep this will be done. but first I need a list of attorneys so I can call Monday morning and get some feedback and develop a gameplan. Anyone that has a attorney that has dealt with Acacia please post their info so we can get a list together of potential attorneys PLEASE thanks

choker gained my trust long time ago. I would like to see him playing an active role on this :thumbsup

until acacia gets a linksite/tgp shut down with a injunction that isnt a result of a default judgment they are completely full of shit.

I dont think it would be too hard to win the case that linking to a video isnt a violation of their patent. Its absurd, Acacia knows its absurd, and they would never want to go to trial to try and uphold that. Plus double dipping is illegal.


In additon to doing a group countersuit, I would also organize a mass filing of extortion complaints. The state of california cant ignore a couple hundred extortion complaints.

Question really is, can you afford the ride?

Article: Gary Kremen: 'If you are an affiliate, you are liable'

http://www.setgo.com/article.html?id...b384a9be3511bb



hey, your famous, you got your name in a Luke Ford article!

:Graucho



Fight the Patent!