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Fletch XXX · 10-17-2003, 04:35 PM

100 Christians thrown to the lions.

basschick · 10-17-2003, 04:40 PM

once, in a motivated period, i read the king james version of the bible cover to cover. it seemed very clear - no killing. the end. no excuses.

so anyone who says he's fighting for christianity is wrong - 'cause according to christ, god and the rest of the bible, killing is never the christian thing to do.

foe · 10-17-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
These ignorant christian fucks are ruining our country.

period.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines

'Washington - A three-star general active in the search for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has told religious audiences that the war on terrorism is a battle between a "Christian army" and Satan, and that Muslims worship an "idol" and not a "real God.

In June, Boykin said, "The battle that we're in is a spiritual battle. Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army.'

And <i>THESE</i> are the people defending me?

I dont agree with what he said, but our country has something called freedom of speech

theking · 10-17-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
once, in a motivated period, i read the king james version of the bible cover to cover. it seemed very clear - no killing. the end. no excuses.

so anyone who says he's fighting for christianity is wrong - 'cause according to christ, god and the rest of the bible, killing is never the christian thing to do.

You did not do a very good job of comprehending what you read if that is your conclusion about "god" and the "rest of the bible".

Adorno · 10-17-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
once, in a motivated period, i read the king james version of the bible cover to cover. it seemed very clear - no killing. the end. no excuses.

Errr you must have conveniently skipped Leviticus, amongst more than a few others.

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so anyone who says he's fighting for christianity is wrong - 'cause according to christ, god and the rest of the bible, killing is never the christian thing to do.

What the fuck bible were you reading? Wait, are you confusing the New Testament for the "entire" Bible?

basschick · 10-17-2003, 04:49 PM

no, only the new testament is christian. while the old testament does have a lot of war, it was written long before christianity existed. only the new testament was written for christians by christians, as it were.

theking · 10-17-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by foe

I dont agree with what he said, but our country has something called freedom of speech

Well...in fact active duty military personell do not have "freedom" of speech.

Webby · 10-17-2003, 04:51 PM

theKing:

And.. despite what you may think, and as a comment on previous thread, I am pleased the UN passed a resolution in support of the US.

It basically means the clock is stopped and started afresh and the US is not in isolation at the UN.

I doubt this will result in any further commitment within Iraq, (other than what has already been agreed to), since nations do not wish to place their forces under a US command - kinda natural and not unexpected!

It does mean Bush can proceed with issuing as many contracts to US companies as he likes for the rebuilding process in Iraq, and frankly good luck to em, cos in the end it is the US taxpayer who will be footing the bill.

The other side of the coin is a picture of a need within the Admin to actually "do something" in Iraq and calm the place on a timetable. This may be feasible or not, but that timetable, apart from a deadline on a constitution, is fairly open-ended. It just needs action now.

The real problem of "peace" in Iraq is,.. well, I doubt that may happen. It is unlikely to even "cool" (but probably escalate), until the US passes over it's military occupation to others. Even then, "peace" is questionable.

The damage is far further reaching than any "war" there...

Fletch XXX · 10-17-2003, 04:52 PM

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...sacrifice.html

Dont forget the Master of it all.

Cain.

Adorno · 10-17-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
no, only the new testament is christian. while the old testament does have a lot of war, it was written long before christianity existed. only the new testament was written for christians by christians, as it were.

wrong.

The early "christian" texts that were compiled into what you call the "New Testament" were written by Jews for Jews and were later picked apart and adapted by the growing xtian church at the council of Nicea, nearly 800 years after Jesus had been executed. The Pauline Epistles of the NT were written for "Christians".

Webby · 10-17-2003, 04:54 PM

theKing:

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Well...in fact active duty military personell do not have "freedom" of speech.

Mmmm.. this another basic human right they don't have?..

theking · 10-17-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Mmmm.. this another basic human right they don't have?..

Basically...yes...among others.

xroach · 10-17-2003, 05:06 PM

a war was declared on us by religious fundamentalists who believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife for killing us. as a result they don't care about dying as they don't see it as an end. osama has said it doesn't matter how many hundreds of millions of muslims die to destroy they west as they will be rewarded as martyrs in the afterlife. to muslims in arabic countries this is also a holy war

we'll need people just as crazy as that to survive this

theking · 10-17-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

And.. despite what you may think, and as a comment on previous thread, I am pleased the UN passed a resolution in support of the US.

It basically means the clock is stopped and started afresh and the US is not in isolation at the UN.

I doubt this will result in any further commitment within Iraq, (other than what has already been agreed to), since nations do not wish to place their forces under a US command - kinda natural and not unexpected!

It does mean Bush can proceed with issuing as many contracts to US companies as he likes for the rebuilding process in Iraq, and frankly good luck to em, cos in the end it is the US taxpayer who will be footing the bill.

The other side of the coin is a picture of a need within the Admin to actually "do something" in Iraq and calm the place on a timetable. This may be feasible or not, but that timetable, apart from a deadline on a constitution, is fairly open-ended. It just needs action now.

The real problem of "peace" in Iraq is,.. well, I doubt that may happen. It is unlikely to even "cool" (but probably escalate), until the US passes over it's military occupation to others. Even then, "peace" is questionable.

The damage is far further reaching than any "war" there...

Hmm...un-fucking believable...a resonable thought out post from Webby...applause...applause.

Webby · 10-17-2003, 05:12 PM

theKing:

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Hmm...un-fucking believable...a resonable thought out post from Webby...applause...applause. ]

EH??? Hell.. I must have had a weak moment there!! *lol*

Wanna get back to the "real reasons" and problems why this all started in the first place??? They were also truths and facts, but ya did not seem to like them too much and I'll be back to being some "US hater" and other cliches!

Na.. I'll give ya a rest for today King!!

seven · 10-17-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Hmm...un-fucking believable...a resonable thought out post from Webby...applause...applause.

theking is saying that? un-fucking believable... applause... applause

sacX · 10-17-2003, 05:33 PM

old testament = don't fuck wif God.
new testament = be nice to people

:-)

12clicks · 10-17-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Adorno

That guy would string you up by your nuts for your ties to pornography. YOU are his enemy, lover of Satans pornographic filth. Send him a free membership to Total Catfights.

No, son. You see this is America. Do you really need to be spoon fed the facts?

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I love you.

why, same dopey conclusions?

12clicks · 10-17-2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I don't think Muslim's are perfect, but I also believe that Christians certainly have no place to point fingers and claim wrongdoings at them.

there in lies your problem. you equate the murder of thousands and thousands of innocents in our lifetime by muslims to whatever goofy problem you have with christianity.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Both religions are based in the same roots, both religions have had many atrocities committed in their names.

But one has evolved and grown while the other just continues to murder innocent people.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Have a war, fine, but leave religion out of it.

kinda tough to do when the bad guys are muslims.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Myself, I'm Wiccan and there's a damn good reason for that,

so that you won't be taken seriously by anyone?

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but there's nothing more I hate than religious hypocracy.

You hate it so much you imagine it where its not.

Webby · 10-17-2003, 06:12 PM

mmm.. the wit is back

Joe Citizen · 10-17-2003, 06:15 PM

sacX · 10-17-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

You hate it so much you imagine it where its not.

keep up the denial that xtians haven't killed any innocent people in the last couple years. You're doing a real swell job at it.

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

Is that supposed to be funny? I guess you have no family or friends or love in your life, because imagine being any one of those family members looking at a picture like that. Tasteless to say the least.

Carol@Pixipay · 10-17-2003, 06:46 PM

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keep up the denial that xtians haven't killed any innocent people in the last couple years.

New religion?

digi · 10-17-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Is that supposed to be funny? I guess you have no family or friends or love in your life, because imagine being any one of those family members looking at a picture like that. Tasteless to say the least.

isnt most OWNED pics tasteless to the ones involved?

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by digi

isnt most OWNED pics tasteless to the ones involved?

Most owned pics don't depict people being murdered

Adorno · 10-17-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Most owned pics don't depict people being murdered

Good ones do.

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Adorno

Good ones do.

You're truly a disturbed person! That is horrific. Shame on you!

bhutocracy · 10-17-2003, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

I agree with you... but, there's a difference between doing things out of goodness and doing things out of hatred.

you stupid fucking idiot Bin Laden thinks he is doing good by ridding the world of western influence, It's just a matter of what side you're one that makes the cause good or out of "hatred". Thats the whole point of taking religion of the equation - because it makes people think they have god on their side while they kill people.

you've got to be a troll, I can't believe someone could possibly be so stupid.

Adorno · 10-17-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

you've got to be a troll, I can't believe someone could possibly be so stupid.

Believe it.

bhutocracy · 10-17-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Adorno

Believe it.

nup... theres been a bunch of new neocons and morons here over the past while.. it's all a scam to tip the political spectrum and get more posts happening from the friction.

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

you stupid fucking idiot Bin Laden thinks he is doing good by ridding the world of western influence, It's just a matter of what side you're one that makes the cause good or out of "hatred". Thats the whole point of taking religion of the equation - because it makes people think they have god on their side while they kill people.

you've got to be a troll, I can't believe someone could possibly be so stupid.

If you read my posts after that, instead of picking and choosing, you will see I defined "good deeds" for humanity as something that benefits everyone and doesn't discriminate against anyone's race, religion, sex etc.

Of course you can't believe anyone could be that stupid, you're already in denial about yourself.

sacX · 10-17-2003, 07:49 PM

hypothetical situation:

Saudi Arabia is the world superpower. United States has huge oil resevoirs, and the most holy sites in Christianity.

Now imagine that Saudi Arabia props up a regime in the US, and has troops on US soil.

as a US citizen how would you feel about this?

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by sacX
hypothetical situation:

Saudi Arabia is the world superpower. United States has huge oil resevoirs, and the most holy sites in Christianity.

Now imagine that Saudi Arabia props up a regime in the US, and has troops on US soil.

as a US citizen how would you feel about this?

That would depend on if the US is what it is today or if it's a country that harbors and aides terrorists.

bhutocracy · 10-17-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

If you read my posts after that, instead of picking and choosing, you will see I defined "good deeds" for humanity as something that benefits everyone and doesn't discriminate against anyone's race, religion, sex etc.

Of course you can't believe anyone could be that stupid, you're already in denial about yourself.

you've already been schooled, but you are education resistant. You are creating strawmen. We are talking about a General in charge killing people doing it in the name of god, not mother theresa prancing around and handing out flowers.

ooo. what a witty comeback.. it's sad that even your insults are below even the lowest margin of acceptability. If you're going to be wrong, at least be intelligent while you do it. please.

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

you've already been schooled, but you are education resistant. You are creating strawmen. We are talking about a General in charge killing people doing it in the name of god, not mother theresa prancing around and handing out flowers.

ooo. what a witty comeback.. it's sad that even your insults are below even the lowest margin of acceptability. If you're going to be wrong, at least be intelligent while you do it. please.

This coming from yet another anti-American Australian. WTF is up with you people and your hatred (jealousy) of the US?

His remarks were made in church. He shouldn't have been in uniform, but shit happens. Worse things have happened! And just because he was careless enough to say his beliefs out loud, doesn't mean he is alone in his beliefs. If everyone spoke what's truly on their mind or showed their true agenda, I'm sure we'd have many more problems in the world.

If that's his belief, really, who fuckin cares. There's people that agree with him and don't agree with him. I don't agree with him, but I also don't think he should be scrutinized for his religious beliefs. Again, he is one general in the military making statements in church, he did not make an official statement on behalf of our entire country.

How are you going to set the standards of intelligence when you aren't qualified to do so?

bhutocracy · 10-17-2003, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

This coming from yet another anti-American Australian. WTF is up with you people and your hatred (jealousy) of the US?

It's a testament to your level of comprehension that you think I harbour ANY hatred or (especially) ANY jealousy towards America. Let alone being Anti-America.. I know it's confusing for you. I know it hurts to try and think "big thoughts" but thats just the way it is little lady.. I guess from your reaction I just can't expect any sort of understanding from this disparity in arguments. You and I both know that this is this statement of yours is the last refuge of someone truly owned.

As far as standards of intelligence I think you know deep down that you aren't keeping up in these threads with your wooly-headed touchy feely ideas.
Anyways I've had enough of beating on the tards. At least I can respect the conservative regulars.
adieu.

Furious_Female · 10-17-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

It's a testament to your level of comprehension that you think I harbour ANY hatred or (especially) ANY jealousy towards America. Let alone being Anti-America.. I know it's confusing for you. I know it hurts to try and think "big thoughts" but thats just the way it is little lady.. I guess from your reaction I just can't expect any sort of understanding from this disparity in arguments. You and I both know that this is this statement of yours is the last refuge of someone truly owned.

As far as standards of intelligence I think you know deep down that you aren't keeping up in these threads with your wooly-headed touchy feely ideas.
Anyways I've had enough of beating on the tards. At least I can respect the conservative regulars.
adieu.

Because someone doesn't agree with you and has different view points, isn't grounds for thinking they are unintelligent. That's called ignorant and close minded. Just because others don't agree with me, I don't always assume they are stupid. On the countrary, I think a lot of people that disagree with me are in fact smart.

BlueDesignStudios · 10-17-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Webby

Evil??? Who knows... I don't know either of them well enough to say if they are "evil".

From the track record of Saddam, (including his sons who were brought up to witness violent acts), it is possible he is "evil".

bin Laden? Again, I don't know him. He has his reasons, whether valid or not. I doubt I will have the opportunity to ever chat with him to get any clue as to whether he is "evil" or not.

So, what's your point? Since you are also unlikely to meet these people, how can you say they are evil or not??

Tho I can name some evil people on this planet - they are actually very rare. I have only ever met two in my life and you know very well when you do meet them, - the room fills with an evil stench.

Somehow, I think you do not know what you are talking about - certainly no disrespect tho!

'Evil', like beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. Bush calls Osama evil, Osama calls Bush evil - both know they're right, but clearly someone has to be wrong.

I forget what I was reading - I think it was the diary of anne frank, but it raised an interesting point: People aren't all evil or all good, there are no blacks & whites definied, they're just different shades of grey - even the worse ppl have goodness in them, and conversely even the best ppl can do bad things sometimes!

Fletch XXX · 10-17-2003, 08:27 PM

you guys say 'evil' like it';s a bad thing.

when your priests fuck kids, who is evil?

http://www.fletchxxx.com/mp3s/gonegamblin.mp3

LadyMischief · 10-17-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
once, in a motivated period, i read the king james version of the bible cover to cover. it seemed very clear - no killing. the end. no excuses.

so anyone who says he's fighting for christianity is wrong - 'cause according to christ, god and the rest of the bible, killing is never the christian thing to do.

Yes.. wasn't it Jesus who said to "turn the other cheek"?

LadyMischief · 10-17-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

why, same dopey conclusions?

Because he's so incredibly cuddly..

And as for you, if you don't think George Bush and his Christians are going to come after porn when terrorism isn't a convincing enough enemy, you have another thing coming. You honestly thing Asfucker is going to forget all about his little vendetta? heh. No way.

chodadog · 10-17-2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
If the General had made the statement as part of his posistion in the military, at a press briefing, or otehr official capacity - then it would be a problem.

Exactly. If it had of been in any kind of official capacity, then it would have been wrong. But you're right, as a private citezen, he should be allowed to express his views as freely as the rest of us. As long as he doesn't preach like this when he's in the uniform, i don't think it's a problem.

Gemini · 10-17-2003, 09:28 PM

Choda, it's been mentioned more than once in this thread, you must have missed it. When you are in the military you have NO "PRIVATE LIFE"... non, nein, none,. You BELONG to the Governent lock, stock and barrel. They tell you what to think and what to say. It doesn't matter if you are a buck private OR a 5 star. SOMEone is above you to tell you what you are thinking. ;-)

So no matter where this man said it or what he was wearing. He's seriously scewed (to a degree) He can quit or get relieved. Which is probably what he wants I think. Why ELSE would a lifer with that many years of having the rules pounded into him "slip up". lol

If B*sh doesn't do something about this then there will be h*ll to pay.

theking · 10-17-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog

Exactly. If it had of been in any kind of official capacity, then it would have been wrong. But you're right, as a private citezen, he should be allowed to express his views as freely as the rest of us. As long as he doesn't preach like this when he's in the uniform, i don't think it's a problem.

When you are on active duty you are never a private citizen...you are military 24/7...and are not entitled to all of the rights of a civilian. In uniform or out of uniform he belongs to the military and his rights are curtailed. One can have private views and private discussions but what a military person can say in public is subject to review under the UCMJ and you are subject to judicial punishment.

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basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	once, in a motivated period, i read the king james version of the bible cover to cover. it seemed very clear - no killing. the end. no excuses. so anyone who says he's fighting for christianity is wrong - 'cause according to christ, god and the rest of the bible, killing is never the christian thing to do. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

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basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	no, only the new testament is christian. while the old testament does have a lot of war, it was written long before christianity existed. only the new testament was written for christians by christians, as it were. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	theKing: And.. despite what you may think, and as a comment on previous thread, I am pleased the UN passed a resolution in support of the US. It basically means the clock is stopped and started afresh and the US is not in isolation at the UN. I doubt this will result in any further commitment within Iraq, (other than what has already been agreed to), since nations do not wish to place their forces under a US command - kinda natural and not unexpected! It does mean Bush can proceed with issuing as many contracts to US companies as he likes for the rebuilding process in Iraq, and frankly good luck to em, cos in the end it is the US taxpayer who will be footing the bill. The other side of the coin is a picture of a need within the Admin to actually "do something" in Iraq and calm the place on a timetable. This may be feasible or not, but that timetable, apart from a deadline on a constitution, is fairly open-ended. It just needs action now. The real problem of "peace" in Iraq is,.. well, I doubt that may happen. It is unlikely to even "cool" (but probably escalate), until the US passes over it's military occupation to others. Even then, "peace" is questionable. The damage is far further reaching than any "war" there...

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xroach Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: vancouver, bc Posts: 963	a war was declared on us by religious fundamentalists who believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife for killing us. as a result they don't care about dying as they don't see it as an end. osama has said it doesn't matter how many hundreds of millions of muslims die to destroy they west as they will be rewarded as martyrs in the afterlife. to muslims in arabic countries this is also a holy war we'll need people just as crazy as that to survive this

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sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	old testament = don't fuck wif God. new testament = be nice to people :-)

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sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	hypothetical situation: Saudi Arabia is the world superpower. United States has huge oil resevoirs, and the most holy sites in Christianity. Now imagine that Saudi Arabia props up a regime in the US, and has troops on US soil. as a US citizen how would you feel about this?

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