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Old 10-17-2003, 10:12 AM   #51
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I agree with you... but, there's a difference between doing things out of goodness and doing things out of hatred.

Christian Children's Fund for example. Feeding hungry children all over the world. Most certainly religion based, but does that make them as bad as someone flying planes into a building, for doing positive things in the name of God? I think it's fine that anyone uses religion as an excuse to do positive things for humanity.
And that makes all the BAD things done in the name of God go away? How about the dark ages? The cruisades? The witch burnings.. How about all the innocent people that died "in God's name"? A God of love wouldn't allow or be pleased with ANY killing in his name.

And there are a lot of NON-religious funds and funds of different religions doing the same thing for starving children. Your point?
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Christian Children's Fund for example. Feeding hungry children all over the world. Most certainly religion based, but does that make them as bad as someone flying planes into a building, for doing positive things in the name of God? I think it's fine that anyone uses religion as an excuse to do positive things for humanity.
Fact is, they tack on that little christian part to help get people to donate, and in your case it certainly seems that it works. A sucker is born every minute they say.

Have you ever seen a child with no concept of 'god?'

its a beautiful thing, and I hope to raise more than one, one day.
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I agree with you... but, there's a difference between doing things out of goodness and doing things out of hatred.

Christian Children's Fund for example. Feeding hungry children all over the world. Most certainly religion based, but does that make them as bad as someone flying planes into a building, for doing positive things in the name of God? I think it's fine that anyone uses religion as an excuse to do positive things for humanity.
He's not saying he wants to do something good, he's saying that his god is better than their god therefore their religion is a tool of satan and needs to be eliminated. The muslim world has been causing problems lately, but after that's done do you think he'll be hunky dory living next door to a peaceful muslim?
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odd that you don't find these same flaws in the muslim scum we're fighting.
nah, on second thought, its typical of you.
If you're a christian, you better take a little better look at that Muslim scum. They share a lot of the same beliefs you do. And if you are Christian, hating other people because of their religious beliefs would make you a hypocrite, wouldn't it?
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I agree with you... but, there's a difference between doing things out of goodness and doing things out of hatred.

Christian Children's Fund for example. Feeding hungry children all over the world. Most certainly religion based, but does that make them as bad as someone flying planes into a building, for doing positive things in the name of God? I think it's fine that anyone uses religion as an excuse to do positive things for humanity.

Some people feel the need to justify the things they do by pointing to the common beliefs of a group of people...they enjoy the support...they need the support...it gives them confidence...it gives them recognition...so on. However, the things that are done cannot be excused because there is support behind them. Nazi Germany BELIEVED in what they were doing...... If people who are full of compassion feel better having the support of a religious organization then join. But if people justify killing through those same organizations, it is pure hypocrisy and I don't see how anyone can see it differently. The Bible says "love your neighbour as yourself". If liberating Iraqis is what you feel is the right thing to do and war is the only means available, so be it. But don't give yourself too much credit and try to fight Satan. If Satan has a beef, let's let God deal with that.
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odd that you don't find these same flaws in the muslim scum we're fighting.
nah, on second thought, its typical of you.
You dumbass right wingers are always accusing us of taking the side of the muslims. It's not a black and white world, we don't believe that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Only a neanderthal would think like that.

I personally think all religion is a plague that needs to be eliminated from the earth before there will ever be peace. Muslims and christians alike. Muslims bomb jewish restaurants, christians bomb abortion clinics and beat up gays. Same damn thing.
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And that makes all the BAD things done in the name of God go away? How about the dark ages? The cruisades? The witch burnings.. How about all the innocent people that died "in God's name"? A God of love wouldn't allow or be pleased with ANY killing in his name.

And there are a lot of NON-religious funds and funds of different religions doing the same thing for starving children. Your point?
My point is that, I see nothing wrong with people doing GOOD and positive things for humanity in the name of God or WHATEVER their reasons might be, as long as it is in fact a positive thing. Whetherthey do it for God or for Jesus or in the name of moldy tree bark, if it is a positive thing for humanity, who cares???
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My point is that, I see nothing wrong with people doing GOOD and positive things for humanity in the name of God or WHATEVER their reasons might be, as long as it is in fact a positive thing. Whetherthey do it for God or for Jesus or in the name of moldy tree bark, if it is a positive thing for humanity, who cares???
Wasn't the taliban doing a good thing for humanity when they got rid of all that "commie scum"? In the end they were still religious fundamentalists who would kill us if they had the chance. Christians may be good for some things but give them enough power and our women will be covered head to toe like afghanis.
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My point is that, I see nothing wrong with people doing GOOD and positive things for humanity in the name of God or WHATEVER their reasons might be, as long as it is in fact a positive thing. Whetherthey do it for God or for Jesus or in the name of moldy tree bark, if it is a positive thing for humanity, who cares???
Killing innocents in the name of god is ok though, right? How many people do you think died in Iraq who were innocent? Yes, Osama and his crones attacked us, and killed the innocent, you honestly think that it justifies turning it into a holy war? That's what THEY are doing. As far as THEY are concerened, THEY are in the right. Who is to say which god is better? How do you know your god is the real god and theirs isn't?

How could you claim to be christian, or anyone else for that matter and not be just as guilty of the sins done in Christianity's name? Silence in these situations is the same thing as agreement. Two wrongs most DEFINITELY do NOT make a right.

This was supposed to be a war against terrorism.. Not a war against Muslims and their god.
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We live in a country where we have Freedom of Speach.

Just like all you morons posting outlandish shit on GFY, the General made his statements as a Privaet citizen, in a church. He has the right to do this,and say what he likes. You may not like it, and that is your right.

If the General had made the statement as part of his posistion in the military, at a press briefing, or otehr official capacity - then it would be a problem.

People living in this country should be happy we have bad asses like this protecting out nation. This guy may be a little kooky, but he is a bad-ass solider. Led Delta for years, and has been on many covert missions.

I may not agree with what he said, I do not think God picked anyone, but I would shake his hand for his service to our Nation so I can sit at home and comfortably sling porn, and debate bafoons on GFY!

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I'd even be willing to bet the MAJORITY of military and the US agree with him.
Believe it or not MAJORITY of military and the US just may have a bit more "education" than that otherwise, I'd actually run into morons like those everyday which i don't.. God ! Muslims do not worship Idols btw.. oooh the ignorance!
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But do you also believe that we should not say "under god" in the pledge or have "in god we trust" on money???


For one thing he was in a CHURCH....
And it is true that this country was founded on judao-christian beliefs, and that is ONE of the reasons we are hated.

The only problem I have is that he was in uniform.
Saying shit like that while in uniform is a no no.
He is going to be reprimanded...and more than likely we will see his "resignation" soon.
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He is going to be reprimanded...and more than likely we will see his "resignation" soon.
Which is ashame, we are going to lose a bad-ass, get-the-job-done kind of guy.

If we run people like this out of the military, we will end up like france!
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Didn't know this war had any thing do do with religion. What bullshit! What happent to seperation of church and state! Fuck Church - it has nothing to do to belong in the government!

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Wasn't the taliban doing a good thing for humanity when they got rid of all that "commie scum"? In the end they were still religious fundamentalists who would kill us if they had the chance. Christians may be good for some things but give them enough power and our women will be covered head to toe like afghanis.
It depends. If there's a hidden agenda beneath good deeds, probably not. But if someone wants to find the cure for cancer because God told them to and a Christian charity donates to them, who cares?? This war against terrorism is NOT about religion, at least from the US perspective. The middle east is a pit of religious wars for years and years and years now. If one general wants to share his beliefs with others that share the same, who cares. It doesn't make him right or a representative of the entire US.
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My point is that, I see nothing wrong with people doing GOOD and positive things for humanity in the name of God or WHATEVER their reasons might be, as long as it is in fact a positive thing. Whetherthey do it for God or for Jesus or in the name of moldy tree bark, if it is a positive thing for humanity, who cares???
Who will decide whether something is good for humanity or not?
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These ignorant christian fucks are ruining our country.

period.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines

'Washington - A three-star general active in the search for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has told religious audiences that the war on terrorism is a battle between a "Christian army" and Satan, and that Muslims worship an "idol" and not a "real God.

In June, Boykin said, "The battle that we're in is a spiritual battle. Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army.'

And <i>THESE</i> are the people defending me?
Hmmm.. This sounds like pre-election comments.
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Who will decide whether something is good for humanity or not?
The majority always rules. But anything that can help humanity as a whole and doesn't discriminate against any race, religion or sex, is a good thing for humanity.
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If you're a christian, you better take a little better look at that Muslim scum. They share a lot of the same beliefs you do. And if you are Christian, hating other people because of their religious beliefs would make you a hypocrite, wouldn't it?
I'm an atheist.
what was your point again?
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You dumbass right wingers are always accusing us of taking the side of the muslims. It's not a black and white world, we don't believe that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Only a neanderthal would think like that.

I personally think all religion is a plague that needs to be eliminated from the earth before there will ever be peace. Muslims and christians alike. Muslims bomb jewish restaurants, christians bomb abortion clinics and beat up gays. Same damn thing.
sure kid, muslims killing people all over the world in the name of religion is the same as 1 or 2 nutcases bombing abortion clinics and beating up gays.
you believing this explains a lot.
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It sounds more like he wanted relieved of command and they refused... He is Government Issue just like all soldiers and knows he is to think what he is told. You have NO 'private life' while in the service. That kind of comment has brought more than one man down and he knew it.

So he has his years in, pension is set, they don't want him back here yet and he WANTS out? Make a dumb comment and voila`. He's home before Christmas.
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... this is NOT A war against Satan!

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you're right, it's a war against the "Evil Doers"





we're just being 0wned by the christian version of the taliban...
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you're right, it's a war against the "Evil Doers"





we're just being 0wned by the christian version of the taliban...
Im sure christians used a similar line when it was time to rid the world of the 'PAGAN SCUM.'

these kid fuckers never get enough death, THAT is the ONLY truth about religion.
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what was your point again?
I'm not surprised... So how is your Christian general speaking for you? Aside from expressing the same blind and incredibly shallow prejudices? I thought more of your intelligence level, Ron, than to think you could be so easily blinded by stereotypes.
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sure kid, muslims killing people all over the world in the name of religion is the same as 1 or 2 nutcases bombing abortion clinics and beating up gays.
you believing this explains a lot.
And those Catholics molesting kids in the name of god, how about those christians burning people alive because they blinked wrong... or how about those athiests that are shallow enough to let people fulfill things in the name of religion, in THEIR name!
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Im sure christians used a similar line when it was time to rid the world of the 'PAGAN SCUM.'

these kid fuckers never get enough death, THAT is the ONLY truth about religion.
Unfortunately, that's becoming more true instead of less.. Next you know the pope is going to start making pronouncements about it!
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I'm not surprised... So how is your Christian general speaking for you? Aside from expressing the same blind and incredibly shallow prejudices? I thought more of your intelligence level, Ron, than to think you could be so easily blinded by stereotypes.
Just because you're not bright enough to understand what's going on you believe there are blind, shallow prejudices. thats typical.
My christian general is protecting my way of life.
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And those Catholics molesting kids in the name of god,
sure honey, it was in the name of god.
you should stop before you remove all doubt.

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how about those christians burning people alive because they blinked wrong...
where are they again? you want to post a link?
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or how about those athiests that are shallow enough to let people fulfill things in the name of religion, in THEIR name!
Please honey, if you call me shallow once more someone might think its true. I beg you, stop.
You see, I have no problem at all having a religious man fulfill things I want done. It's a shame your limited mind doesn't allow you to not be prejudiced towards religion.
Religion in the 20th century is quite harmless unless you're a muslim. Period.
Its truly sad that when faced with thousands upon thousands of murders committed by muslim scum, YOU can only see the bad side of christianity.
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Its truly sad that when faced with thousands upon thousands of murders committed by muslim scum, YOU can only see the bad side of christianity.
You forgot the Jew scum and ahem.. forgot Hitler too
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Police today fired tear gas and rubber bullets at Hindu militants attempting to hold a banned gathering in Ayodhya, the Indian city at the heart of a decade of religious violence in the country.
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"We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Gen Boykin told an audience last year, according to an investigation in the Los Angeles Times.

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He also said the George W Bush's presidency was ordained by God.
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Please honey, if you call me shallow once more someone might think its true. I beg you, stop.
You see, I have no problem at all having a religious man fulfill things I want done. It's a shame your limited mind doesn't allow you to not be prejudiced towards religion.
Religion in the 20th century is quite harmless unless you're a muslim. Period.
Its truly sad that when faced with thousands upon thousands of murders committed by muslim scum, YOU can only see the bad side of christianity.
it speaks volumes.
I don't think Muslim's are perfect, but I also believe that Christians certainly have no place to point fingers and claim wrongdoings at them. Both religions are based in the same roots, both religions have had many atrocities committed in their names. Have a war, fine, but leave religion out of it. Myself, I'm Wiccan and there's a damn good reason for that, but there's nothing more I hate than religious hypocracy.
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Are you saying Saddam and bin Laden are not evil?

I wonder what King George thought of George Washington back during the Revolutionary War? I'll bet he thought the ole apple tree chopper was the root of all evil!

Evil is in the eye of the beholder and it also depends on what side of the "cause" you are on..
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He also said the George W Bush's presidency was ordained by God.

I always thought the "pledge" was placing your hand on your chest and muttering some "Heil" statement with God stuffed in to make it righteous and "good".

BUT... Maybe I got that all wrong and the doctrine has changed course and is now, bow to the new Pope - Praise be to Pope George for all his goodness and protecting us from all the demons in this world.
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Are you saying Saddam and bin Laden are not evil?
Evil??? Who knows... I don't know either of them well enough to say if they are "evil".

From the track record of Saddam, (including his sons who were brought up to witness violent acts), it is possible he is "evil".

bin Laden? Again, I don't know him. He has his reasons, whether valid or not. I doubt I will have the opportunity to ever chat with him to get any clue as to whether he is "evil" or not.

So, what's your point? Since you are also unlikely to meet these people, how can you say they are evil or not??

Tho I can name some evil people on this planet - they are actually very rare. I have only ever met two in my life and you know very well when you do meet them, - the room fills with an evil stench.

Somehow, I think you do not know what you are talking about - certainly no disrespect tho!
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Evil??? Who knows... I don't know either of them well enough to say if they are "evil".

From the track record of Saddam, (including his sons who were brought up to witness violent acts), it is possible he is "evil".

bin Laden? Again, I don't know him. He has his reasons, whether valid or not. I doubt I will have the opportunity to ever chat with him to get any clue as to whether he is "evil" or not.

So, what's your point? Since you are also unlikely to meet these people, how can you say they are evil or not??

Tho I can name some evil people on this planet - they are actually very rare. I have only ever met two in my life and you know very well when you do meet them, - the room fills with an evil stench.

Somehow, I think you do not know what you are talking about - certainly no disrespect tho!
I cannot recall if you have ever specifically called President Bush "evil" and I am busy so I do not have the time to do a search. You have called him many things...and have called for his assassination...but based upon your criteria of having never met with, or chatted with Bin Laden, you cannot say if he is "evil"...so assuming that you are consistent and apply the same criteria to the President then can I safely say that your position is...the President is not "evil"...as I doubt that you have ever met or chatted with him? If the President is not "evil" and the opposite of "evil" is good...then can I safely say that your position is...the President is good? If the President is not "evil" then why have you called multiple times for the assassination of this "good" man?

I guess I must have met many people that are "evil" for I have met many people that have a "stench" about them...but I always though it was due to inadequate use of soap and water.
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We're talking about comments made to a Christian audience in CHURCH. Ok maybe he shouldn't have been in his uniform while he said it, I will give you that. But it is allowed in certain circumstances like it says above and we do not know the exact circumstances. He was preaching to the choir. Not like he held a newsconference and said this.

Where did this even take place? Was this in Iraq, maybe he suffers from heat stroke. Who knows. Why make such a mountain out of a molehill. If the President said something like this, it would be scary and wrong, but we are talking about one general, who happens to be of Christian faith, talking to others that share his faith.
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It's one American Army General speaking as an American Army General, not as friends talking about their beliefs.
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No King... I may well have said the Village Idiot was evil at some time, but no, I doubt he is in the same category as "evil" in the real sense

Being a total incompetent asshole, a liar and a "greed merchant" who has screwed up so much for the US people and others, does not make him "evil". The world has plenty of Bush's around - they are little different from common crooks - not exactly "evil".

And no, being not evil does not make you good!

As for soap and water... well, it is clear you ain't got a clue either about "evil" since you would know exactly what I mean't.

BTW.. Just an an aside, - this kid, I never met, but two folks I know met him, (or "observed" him) while he was "detained". This was a young man of only 11 years. I won't say, but he did some really bad shit, nevermind for a child aged 11. This was a young man who had clearly, in his mind, blocked off all "remorse" and "guilt" - totally expressionless - like the shutters were down and no human presence exisited within him. Nobody knows why he is like that - the expression used was that he was "just evil" - hell knows. Seems he may have been born like this or maybe "something" happened to make him like this. Also... the people "interviewing" him were professionals and even they mentioned similar to "the stench of evil". You know it when you meet it - it takes a lot to be "evil".
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President Bush? You don't know him. He has his reasons, whether vaild or not.
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Na.. totally invalid statement. I know, and the world knows, a lot more about your defendant Bush, than is known about bin Laden.

Bush is transparent, almost on a daily basis, - maybe not accountable, but certainly transparent!
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