hooRAAA!@ BIG BAD ASS US EMPIRE@!$

Although I wish they would have told us to fuck off and let a few hundred more of our kids die before we tucked tail and had to retreat.

Now this will allow Bush to claim some sort of victory after the evil evil UN cleans up the mess. Hooray for America. Wave your flags faggots.

you mean korea? vietnam? kosovo? hang on a sec...the US is exempt from prosecution for war crimes...of course the UN hasn't lived up to expectations...it's existence is mostly symbolic...a forum for people to rant..........................sounds strangely familiar.

black gold, texas tea

If the sentiment of this board is indicative of world view and we are speaking of Nazi's I can sit here at work and thank god that we are only handling a bunch of rag heads hell bent on blowing themselves up along with others because if we had to handle something as monumental as the Nazis and WW2 we would fail miserably!!! That one was best left to our Grand parents and the back bone they displayed across the world, god willing we will NEVER have to face a task as daunting ourselves and live with the failure of us. IMHO of course

How goes it with you today? I was meaning to ask the other night but did not get around to it. Commissioned or Warrant?

Going well, had one of our pilots break his leg in a motorcycle accident sooo I am working my ass off lately. I was a CW4 by the way

As a matter of fact I can't wait to get a day off so I can drink a damn beer!!! And I only have one more day off this month so I had better make it a good one :glugglug

Which single country do you think pays up to 25% of the enitre budget of the UN and its missions.

One of my friends...retired Major...has a son that was a Ranger for six or seven years...E-7...and is now a W-2 possibly a W-3...rotary wing pilot...and is currently instructing.

50 :glugglug

Which country owes millions in arrears to the United Nations?

http://www.state.gov/www/issues/fs-u...rs_991203.html

I was an E-5 in the Air Force prior.......they paid for my college and then let me goto the Army :)

That is all smoke and mirrors my friend, yes we have arrears to the U.N. BUT that doesn't mean that we haven't been paying out the ass now or in the past!!!

I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.

the US has also a much bigger economy than the rest of the nations.

How dare you inject logic into an argument! I demand you be banned.

6 months ago people screamed about not needing the UN and that we should just pull out of that worthless organization.

Now we have to ask them for help. How fucking humiliating.

We want the UN involved now...just as we wanted them involved from the beginning. You can call it humiliating if you choose. I say we do not have to ask them for help...we have asked the UN to become involved because it is the smart thing to do...as it was the smart thing to do from day one.

sorry, couldnt help myself

Hmm...I learn something new everyday.

theKing:

Sheesh!! You gotta be joking!!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hell.. not only did the US not bother to pay the club membership dues for YEARS to the UN, but until the last couple of years they did not even have an Ambassador to the UN.

I did not notice the UN failing because the US Ambassador did not attend or did not exist, or the club fees were not paid. In fact it would probably be a relief if Negropoint and Powell did not bother to attend - forget the funds owing!

You may note that the UN represents the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY - that means exactly that - It does NOT depend on the US to stay alive. The world is still functioning outside the US:-)

I think the international community comes before the US, eh??

Again.. an example of "in a world of your own" - that is, until you feel some need to have UN support to bail ya out! :1orglaugh

Hell... no wonder Europe is side stepping NATO and setting up their own version! :1orglaugh

Tho.. I think they actually may be planning on having a peacekeeping function within that as well as the ability to kill folks. Any peacekeeping ability in Iraq something that is sorely lacking ....

Explain how the UN is going to "bail" the US out. Be specific please.

theKing:

Don't watch Fox and ya may get the picture - one day!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh




Tip! It was not Bush I heard needing "international support" in the form of troops and money???? Na.. I must be mistaken - Ya better tell em to cancel the conference in Madrid to raise funding for the cleaning up of the US fiasco!

BTW.. Don't rely on too much from that - the world ain't looking too kindly on the US right now - dunno why tho :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What?

Ah...I see...no specificity...just BS.

Could you be more specific?

Why the fuck is the UN coming into Iraq if not a bail out? Iraq is a fucking money pit, and while the American public is largely a bunch of fucking moronic sheep, they will in time get sick of seeing their children dying on a daily basis. And with Bush's job approval rating at an all time low, weapons of mass destruction still not found, Saddam still on the loose, Osama nowhere to be seen, monkeyboy needs a victory somewhere. The UN will come in and attempt to clean up the clusterfuck (and I hope they fail miserably) and if they are successful in stabilizing it baby Bush will at least be able to point to the east and proclaim victory for the United States. Someone has to stabilize that shithole. We sure as hell cant.

Wait, what am I saying. Lets just spare me the party line. I know, I know, the Iraqis love us, everything is on schedule, Baghdad is safer than Montreal, troop moral is high, its free blowjobs and Pepsi for everyone. Ive seen the "polls".

theKing:

I see that PERMANENT state of denial is functioning well! :1orglaugh

Don't you even know why the US even bothered to address the UN with a resolution???

Don't you know this was needed prior to the Madrid conference else they would not get .5 cents??? (Na.. don't ask me where Madrid is!! :1orglaugh )

Don't you know the Texas Village Idiot has, in the last short time, been bribing - sorry.. it's called "lobbying", but with money - other nations to try and get support???

Don't you know the world is well aware the current US Admin are totally incompetent and untrustworthy???

Finally, if all you can say to the stuff below is:
you have missed the whole point - (very selective what you want to hear!) - and the FACTS and sure are in a STATE OF DENIAL! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I can't be bothered with fools!

theKing:

Moron ain't the word :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

theKing:

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I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.
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Now.. to get back to your other imbecile statement before you went into a coma (read, state of denial!) and started asking stupid questions with obvious answers -

Can you explain why the UN would shut up shop and go home simply because the US was not a member???

I never noticed this happen before when the US was, in practice, not a member.

But I do know how "relevant" it is for the US to be involved internationally - that is well-known :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Outside of some of the member countries of the UN contributing...what will amount to a pittance of the estimated cost of 50-100 billion (I personally think that the cost will be 500 billion upwards before all is said and done) the UN will cause more problems than they will solve.

They do not have any combat forces...and any so called "peace keeping forces" will have to be protected by our combat forces.

It is my opinion that what is actually needed to stabalize Iraq (outside of a hugh expenditure) is the insertion of several hundred thousand military forces (not peace keepers).

The US would have to reinstitute the draft to insert the number of forces needed...and all of the "contributing" UN members can only insert minimal combat forces.

I suspect the end of our mission in Iraq will ultimately be a failure...and the US will probably withdraw leaving a half ass Government in place...with the UN basically calling the shots...until they too withdraw...and Iraq will basically revert back to its former state...just another fucked up Arab country.

I personally think that it is important for the US to succeed in its mission...but I do not see the American people supporting what I believe it will take to complete the mission.

I predicted that the initial military take over of Iraq would take ten days and it took twenty-four. I also at the same time predicted that winning the peace would be the difficult part...if it could be done at all.

theKing:

Can you let Rumfeld know all this cos he sure don't at the moment.

BULLSHIT.. Almost ALL of it! :1orglaugh

Exactly the same at this idiot statement:

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I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.

Bottom line...the contributing UN members will be of little assistence and will not be bailing anyone out. They never have.

theKing:

And ya better tell the Village Idiot this - cos he don't know it either - else he would not have bothered going to the UN or spent long enough trying to get others to bail you out before that.

BTW.. Na.. you are right in one way - they ain't gonna bail ya out - they just don't like the tone :1orglaugh

Sorry.. I'm may be wrong! Maybe it's not the tone, it might be the continuing lies :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The contributing members of the UN...do not have...or will not put up either the money or the forces that will be required to turn Iraq into a stable Democratic Republic. Of course Russia, France and Germany are not concerned with that aspect. Their only concern is to get the oil flowing again so that they can collect the hugh debt that is owed to them by Iraq. It was the Russians that primarily armed Iraq (although the French sold them some aircraft also)...it was the French that was building the Nuclear Power Plant (that Israel wisely took out)...and the Germans built the bunkers for Saddam that in the 1st Gulf War our bombs and missils could not take out. Every one keeps saying it is all about the oil...and it is...at least for the Russian...France....and Germany.

The UN would fail if the US withdrew...financially...but primarily because it will lose its military arm...the US...as well as its ability to mobilize.

theKing:

:1orglaugh

I see this would be an enormous disadvantage to the UN to see the US leave the club - all these millions that US pays!!! :1orglaugh

What military arm??? Excuse me!! Other nations actually have troops under UN control in many parts of the world - I never actually seen many US troops tho :1orglaugh

Ability to mobilize eh??? Ah.. Yea.. the UN is noted for it's rapid US troop mobilizations!! Pity there ain't any of em there tho!! :1orglaugh

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH :1orglaugh

Go to bed King... you ARE in a comma already!

In fact... too funny!!!!!!!!!

theKing:

Just wondering... tho hate to intrude and "presume" an answer, but who has the best fighting force???

Please don't be prejudiced... na.. forget the question - it would be pointless! :winkwink: