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Which country owes millions in arrears to the United Nations?

http://www.state.gov/www/issues/fs-u...rs_991203.html

I was an E-5 in the Air Force prior.......they paid for my college and then let me goto the Army :)

That is all smoke and mirrors my friend, yes we have arrears to the U.N. BUT that doesn't mean that we haven't been paying out the ass now or in the past!!!

I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.

the US has also a much bigger economy than the rest of the nations.

How dare you inject logic into an argument! I demand you be banned.

6 months ago people screamed about not needing the UN and that we should just pull out of that worthless organization.

Now we have to ask them for help. How fucking humiliating.

We want the UN involved now...just as we wanted them involved from the beginning. You can call it humiliating if you choose. I say we do not have to ask them for help...we have asked the UN to become involved because it is the smart thing to do...as it was the smart thing to do from day one.

sorry, couldnt help myself

Hmm...I learn something new everyday.

theKing:

Sheesh!! You gotta be joking!!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hell.. not only did the US not bother to pay the club membership dues for YEARS to the UN, but until the last couple of years they did not even have an Ambassador to the UN.

I did not notice the UN failing because the US Ambassador did not attend or did not exist, or the club fees were not paid. In fact it would probably be a relief if Negropoint and Powell did not bother to attend - forget the funds owing!

You may note that the UN represents the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY - that means exactly that - It does NOT depend on the US to stay alive. The world is still functioning outside the US:-)

I think the international community comes before the US, eh??

Again.. an example of "in a world of your own" - that is, until you feel some need to have UN support to bail ya out! :1orglaugh

Hell... no wonder Europe is side stepping NATO and setting up their own version! :1orglaugh

Tho.. I think they actually may be planning on having a peacekeeping function within that as well as the ability to kill folks. Any peacekeeping ability in Iraq something that is sorely lacking ....

Explain how the UN is going to "bail" the US out. Be specific please.

theKing:

Don't watch Fox and ya may get the picture - one day!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh




Tip! It was not Bush I heard needing "international support" in the form of troops and money???? Na.. I must be mistaken - Ya better tell em to cancel the conference in Madrid to raise funding for the cleaning up of the US fiasco!

BTW.. Don't rely on too much from that - the world ain't looking too kindly on the US right now - dunno why tho :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What?

Ah...I see...no specificity...just BS.

Could you be more specific?

Why the fuck is the UN coming into Iraq if not a bail out? Iraq is a fucking money pit, and while the American public is largely a bunch of fucking moronic sheep, they will in time get sick of seeing their children dying on a daily basis. And with Bush's job approval rating at an all time low, weapons of mass destruction still not found, Saddam still on the loose, Osama nowhere to be seen, monkeyboy needs a victory somewhere. The UN will come in and attempt to clean up the clusterfuck (and I hope they fail miserably) and if they are successful in stabilizing it baby Bush will at least be able to point to the east and proclaim victory for the United States. Someone has to stabilize that shithole. We sure as hell cant.

Wait, what am I saying. Lets just spare me the party line. I know, I know, the Iraqis love us, everything is on schedule, Baghdad is safer than Montreal, troop moral is high, its free blowjobs and Pepsi for everyone. Ive seen the "polls".

theKing:

I see that PERMANENT state of denial is functioning well! :1orglaugh

Don't you even know why the US even bothered to address the UN with a resolution???

Don't you know this was needed prior to the Madrid conference else they would not get .5 cents??? (Na.. don't ask me where Madrid is!! :1orglaugh )

Don't you know the Texas Village Idiot has, in the last short time, been bribing - sorry.. it's called "lobbying", but with money - other nations to try and get support???

Don't you know the world is well aware the current US Admin are totally incompetent and untrustworthy???

Finally, if all you can say to the stuff below is:
you have missed the whole point - (very selective what you want to hear!) - and the FACTS and sure are in a STATE OF DENIAL! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I can't be bothered with fools!

theKing:

Moron ain't the word :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

theKing:

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I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.
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Now.. to get back to your other imbecile statement before you went into a coma (read, state of denial!) and started asking stupid questions with obvious answers -

Can you explain why the UN would shut up shop and go home simply because the US was not a member???

I never noticed this happen before when the US was, in practice, not a member.

But I do know how "relevant" it is for the US to be involved internationally - that is well-known :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Outside of some of the member countries of the UN contributing...what will amount to a pittance of the estimated cost of 50-100 billion (I personally think that the cost will be 500 billion upwards before all is said and done) the UN will cause more problems than they will solve.

They do not have any combat forces...and any so called "peace keeping forces" will have to be protected by our combat forces.

It is my opinion that what is actually needed to stabalize Iraq (outside of a hugh expenditure) is the insertion of several hundred thousand military forces (not peace keepers).

The US would have to reinstitute the draft to insert the number of forces needed...and all of the "contributing" UN members can only insert minimal combat forces.

I suspect the end of our mission in Iraq will ultimately be a failure...and the US will probably withdraw leaving a half ass Government in place...with the UN basically calling the shots...until they too withdraw...and Iraq will basically revert back to its former state...just another fucked up Arab country.

I personally think that it is important for the US to succeed in its mission...but I do not see the American people supporting what I believe it will take to complete the mission.

I predicted that the initial military take over of Iraq would take ten days and it took twenty-four. I also at the same time predicted that winning the peace would be the difficult part...if it could be done at all.

theKing:

Can you let Rumfeld know all this cos he sure don't at the moment.

BULLSHIT.. Almost ALL of it! :1orglaugh

Exactly the same at this idiot statement:

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I of course am aware of that...and it is immaterial to me...there would not be a UN if the US were to withdraw from the UN.

Bottom line...the contributing UN members will be of little assistence and will not be bailing anyone out. They never have.

theKing:

And ya better tell the Village Idiot this - cos he don't know it either - else he would not have bothered going to the UN or spent long enough trying to get others to bail you out before that.

BTW.. Na.. you are right in one way - they ain't gonna bail ya out - they just don't like the tone :1orglaugh

Sorry.. I'm may be wrong! Maybe it's not the tone, it might be the continuing lies :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The contributing members of the UN...do not have...or will not put up either the money or the forces that will be required to turn Iraq into a stable Democratic Republic. Of course Russia, France and Germany are not concerned with that aspect. Their only concern is to get the oil flowing again so that they can collect the hugh debt that is owed to them by Iraq. It was the Russians that primarily armed Iraq (although the French sold them some aircraft also)...it was the French that was building the Nuclear Power Plant (that Israel wisely took out)...and the Germans built the bunkers for Saddam that in the 1st Gulf War our bombs and missils could not take out. Every one keeps saying it is all about the oil...and it is...at least for the Russian...France....and Germany.

The UN would fail if the US withdrew...financially...but primarily because it will lose its military arm...the US...as well as its ability to mobilize.

theKing:

:1orglaugh

I see this would be an enormous disadvantage to the UN to see the US leave the club - all these millions that US pays!!! :1orglaugh

What military arm??? Excuse me!! Other nations actually have troops under UN control in many parts of the world - I never actually seen many US troops tho :1orglaugh

Ability to mobilize eh??? Ah.. Yea.. the UN is noted for it's rapid US troop mobilizations!! Pity there ain't any of em there tho!! :1orglaugh

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH :1orglaugh

Go to bed King... you ARE in a comma already!

In fact... too funny!!!!!!!!!

theKing:

Just wondering... tho hate to intrude and "presume" an answer, but who has the best fighting force???

Please don't be prejudiced... na.. forget the question - it would be pointless! :winkwink:

The US being the single largest contributor to the UN...financially and in every other way is a fact. In Webby World the people just are not very bright. All must be related to Centurion and suffer the same comprehension problem.

Get over it...the US is the most important country on the earth in every way...and if the US goes down the world will suffer the consequences.

I will answer the question...as it is an easy answer...if you are speaking of a military fighting force. The US military can defeat...with relative ease...any military force that confronts it.

*cough*
"In 1983, the Reagan administration approved the sale of 60 Hughes helicopters to Iraq in 1983 ?for civilian use?. However, as Phythian pointed out, these aircraft could be ?weaponised? within hours of delivery. Then US Secretary of State George Schultz and commerce secretary George Baldridge also lobbied for the delivery of Bell helicopters equipped for ?crop spraying?. It is believed that US-supplied choppers were used in the 1988 chemical attack on the Kurdish village of Halabja, which killed 5000 people. "

AND the US..

Australia too hopefully.. we'd better get something out of this.

theKing:

Can you explain this... precisely??? Source??? :1orglaugh

How come you have *some* sense of balance on the odd occasion when the "selective reading" does not kick in???

Na... please don't tell me "and in every other way is a fact" - that is one thing which is totally untrue. The US did not even play ball in the club for YEARS - What you talking about????

Na.. forget it - just pay the membership and send someone now and again when you don't actually want bailing out :1orglaugh

The UN is basically a cluster fuck. As a professional soldier...I took an oath to obey orders...but there always was one order that I knew I would not obey and fortunately I was never put to the fire. I would have refused to wear the blue of the UN...as several American soldiers have done. The UN is a debating society and not much more.

Unless they still owe us for the Helicopters how is this pertinate to my post about the debt owed to Russia, France, and Germany?

*splutter*

On the 9th Sept with the support of the US, the democratically elected President of Chile was deposed and replaced with a military dicatorship under General Pinoche.

General Pinoche, together with numerous others was trained by the US at the School of the Americas and equipped with weaponary by the US.

Many of those trained at the School of the Americas achieved fame in allegations/prosections in many countries ranging from war crimes to genicide. Several of those now live within the US with protection from the government.

Following the deposing of the elected president, there were many thousands interned and many more found mutilated throughout the country. This reign of terror lasted many years with continued support from the US government.

The US it is claimed is a country under God. I question this since I have never been fortunate enough in visits to many countries affected by the US to have seen the face of this "US God".

On the anniversay of the Twin Towers, it is worth giving some thought to the 9th September 1973 when the US knowingly and with full support, combined with a terrorist dictator and was involved with the mass killings and torture of many thousands while US representatives were present to witness this.

The UN basically does not do anything...anywhere in the world...without US dollars and/or transport...sea...air or land being involved.

because you seem to be completely in denial that the US contributed at all to Saddam Hussein's arsenal.

theKing:

I know this stupid!! :1orglaugh You are of course correct - least according to you.

That's why they are in more places throughout the globe than the US knew ever existed. And.. somehow they still managed to do this even when the US (who??) was out of the room :1orglaugh

BTW... I'm still waiting for a PRECISE answer!
:1orglaugh But I won't bother!

You left off the inderect sale of some cluster bombs during the Iraq/Iran war...but I will suggest to you that the sale of a few helicopters and bombs do not the fourth largest standing Army in the world make...which is what the Iraqi Army was in the '91 conflict.

I am sure the post made sense to you. :1orglaugh

I am still waiting for the specifics of how the UN is going to "bail" the US out of Iraq?

Did you have a point?

Wow. You must have been the only person in the world to get that right. How very special.

theKing:

In addition to supplying the military dictatorship of Chile with arms, the US also armed Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and hell - many countries in Central and South America and several in Asia.

These have proven over time to be an indictment of this "land of freedom" and "values" under "God". I can't see any sign of adopting some moral highground on *anything* - but of course, some will have "selective thinking".


PS Tho I am sure that being the majority arms trader in the world has assisted the US to gain it's questionable "power" and provided some cookies when thanking God for the food on the table.

and a whole bunch of anthrax and botulinum

theKing:

There is no answer to that.

The point is in the text.

If you still have no comprehension, I would glady introduce you to some "victims" of the US who would, if you spewed your crap out to them, - there is little hope you would live that night.

Sleep well in pampered land!

GFY is not the world...but there are posters from all around the world...and I was one of two or three that got it right. Most said there would be years of urban fighting...with thousands and thousands of American soldiers being killed in the urban fighting. I said there would be little...if any urban fighting...and what urban fighting there would be...would not be the type of urban fighting of old.