MPA2 crew looking for advice...... - GoFuckYourself.com

OY · 10-11-2003, 10:21 PM

The MPA2 crew from Mansion Productions are considering adding an additional processor to back up the existing processors already implemented. Currently three main ones are Epochsystems , CCBill , and PSW billing and also implemented are Netbilling (for merchant account holders), Jettis , IBill and of course Electracash for check processing and EGroup (NoCreditCard) as dialer solution.

Now this time we want to have a European processor, and possibly an Asian one as well.

What we need from you guys in GFY land is advice on which one(s) to choose to implement.

So please spam this thread with your pros and cons about your experiences with your European and or Asian processor that can handle the adult webmasters demanding processing.

We want it all... Good or bad!

Thanks all....

Oh and one thing.... GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

Why · 10-11-2003, 11:29 PM

how about paypal, and epassporte payouts?

Chris · 10-11-2003, 11:31 PM

can you add anymore links ?

chowda · 10-11-2003, 11:40 PM

ibill.. i like them.. but if there is a prob, i bet the affiliates will be bugging the shit out of the sponsor.. something that they might not want.

i dont know about their eu processing or shit. i just like to say ibill is a doube edge sword.

Stramm · 10-11-2003, 11:45 PM

I'd love to see Verotel and/ or 2000charge in the list

OY · 10-12-2003, 01:00 AM

Why - PayPal has been implemented for over a year (just forgot to mention them...) and Epassporte is in the works. (KimmyKim... please stand up :-))
QuickBooks has been implemented from the start, for payouts, and Electracash offers a product where they will print, cut and send out checks for the affiliate program owner, called MPA2PAY...

JupZChris -

chowda - We took IBill out of the three standard processors well over a year ago. They are still offered as an alternative.

Stramm - They are definately on top of our list. Why do YOU go for them in particular? Pros? Cons?

Keev · 10-12-2003, 01:19 AM

hmmm now a cool feature would be is if the signup process could determine where the surfer was from ie europe / asia and then direct them to that particular processor that best fit that surfer, also could setup who would be the backup as well. If that isn't in place yet.

OY · 10-12-2003, 01:22 AM

Keev - In the works...

reynold · 10-12-2003, 01:23 AM

2000charge?

grannytgp · 10-12-2003, 01:26 AM

Verotel has been doing really well for me as of late... so my vote definitely goes to them for implementation into MPA2

OY · 10-12-2003, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reynold
2000charge?

Why? Come on... Give me some REAL feedback here. I know all the names, but I want to know why...

OY · 10-12-2003, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grannytgp
Verotel has been doing really well for me as of late... so my vote definitely goes to them for implementation into MPA2

Doing well as in what? All over performance, tech support and customer service? Tell me more...

Stramm · 10-12-2003, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
Why - PayPal has been implemented for over a year (just forgot to mention them...) and Epassporte is in the works. (KimmyKim... please stand up :-))
QuickBooks has been implemented from the start, for payouts, and Electracash offers a product where they will print, cut and send out checks for the affiliate program owner, called MPA2PAY...

JupZChris -

chowda - We took IBill out of the three standard processors well over a year ago. They are still offered as an alternative.

Stramm - They are definately on top of our list. Why do YOU go for them in particular? Pros? Cons?

2000charge cause of the german direct debit. It's a huge market and direct debit is there the #1 payment solution.

Verotel cause they seem to accept lots more euro CCs than eg. CCBIll, IBill

XXXInsights · 10-12-2003, 02:28 AM

verotel, cause it's a good alternative for non us webmasters

boneprone · 10-12-2003, 02:30 AM

Jesus Bill
Jesus Dialer

makefuckingmoney · 10-12-2003, 03:47 AM

psw
just in case they come back!

prostock · 10-12-2003, 04:12 AM

We are using Verotel and have for the most great with them , just had a time they had a black out and change over and was down a small time , i get letters for the head guy there helping me on things

now i want to ask why the fuck would you be using PWS BILLING
dont these people still owe out a ton and that is all we need another biller owing more

JOP · 10-12-2003, 04:18 AM

Oystein, hit me up for german processing

Jizar II · 10-12-2003, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by prostock
now i want to ask why the fuck would you be using PWS BILLING
dont these people still owe out a ton and that is all we need another biller owing more

YES stay the fuck away from PSW!

Their company shoudn't be mentioned here in combination with any positive remarks!

EvilDan · 10-12-2003, 04:37 AM

ask me that same question when we meet next week mate

Have I got an answer for you

OY · 10-12-2003, 10:02 AM

Stramm - Perfect. I would love to hear that from more webmasters too.

freeheaven - That seems to be the general feedback I get too. Thanks

boneprone -

makefuckingmoney - PSW is one of the three standard processors we use.

prostock - Thanks for the feedback on Verotel. As for PSW, we are monitoring them continously.

JOP - Email me at oystein at mansionproductions dot com with your contact info please.

Jizar II - See comment to prostock above...

EvilDan - Looking forward to meeting you, as always Dan. Give me a ring or send me an email when you get to town - I am sure a couple of drinks and maybe a dinner would be appropriate

And I still want more feedback guys! Keep'em coming...

garry · 10-12-2003, 04:29 PM

How about SMS billing. Would that be something you guys would want us to add ? Paying over the cell phone is getting bigger and bigger in Europe, and Im sure it would generate some extra sales for you.... Should we, yes or no

EvilDan · 10-12-2003, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Oystein
Stramm - Perfect. I would love to hear that from more webmasters too.

freeheaven - That seems to be the general feedback I get too. Thanks

boneprone -

makefuckingmoney - PSW is one of the three standard processors we use.

prostock - Thanks for the feedback on Verotel. As for PSW, we are monitoring them continously.

JOP - Email me at oystein at mansionproductions dot com with your contact info please.

Jizar II - See comment to prostock above...

EvilDan - Looking forward to meeting you, as always Dan. Give me a ring or send me an email when you get to town - I am sure a couple of drinks and maybe a dinner would be appropriate

And I still want more feedback guys! Keep'em coming...

I think Tucker has already lined up a dinner and drinking session for Sat 18th in LA somewhere

Try and make it if you can, because my mind is on overdrive atm, and I have some fairly big ideas to discuss

the indigo · 10-12-2003, 05:57 PM

Verotel and 2000charge.

Why? Simply because Europeen are extremely limited since PSW's fiasco.

We need solid EU processors... why not add both Verotel and 2000charge?

Verotel is the most popular... but will they be still alive in 1 year?

I agree that 2000charge's BE debit card is pretty interesting.

the indigo · 10-12-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
How about SMS billing. Would that be something you guys would want us to add ? Paying over the cell phone is getting bigger and bigger in Europe, and Im sure it would generate some extra sales for you.... Should we, yes or no

Yes, but it's nothing extremely important RIGHT NOW.

You better add 2 solid EU processors like Verotel and 2000charge before thinking about SMS billing.

As someone said previously, EU processors can be very interesting for any US sponsor. Redirect any EU traffic directly to the MPA2's EU processors list. (CCBill EU and Jettis are not real EU processors)

OY · 10-12-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilDan

I think Tucker has already lined up a dinner and drinking session for Sat 18th in LA somewhere

Try and make it if you can, because my mind is on overdrive atm, and I have some fairly big ideas to discuss

He mentioned that. It will be fun and interesting, I am sure. CYA in LA buddy...

bhutocracy · 10-12-2003, 06:09 PM

2000charge.com for eu debit. If you're going to go for an eu processor you may as well go for one that actually processes eu specific payments as well as eu cards.
I've asked for 2000charge implementation with mpa2 previously.. good to see you're looking into it.

OY · 10-12-2003, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo
Verotel and 2000charge.

Why? Simply because Europeen are extremely limited since PSW's fiasco.

We need solid EU processors... why not add both Verotel and 2000charge?

Verotel is the most popular... but will they be still alive in 1 year?

I agree that 2000charge's BE debit card is pretty interesting.

Hmmm. I hear you... Now out of the two ones (Verotel and 2000charge - the latter btw originating from the crew from MS Bill in Los Angeles. Whats up Wolf...) What are the pros and cons between them?

As for your comment about SMS billing. You might be right - We do want to add it though, so the question is more WHO rather than IF

I also believe in the EU processors to better handle US merchants EU traffic. Optimization is key. No doubt. Great feedback

OY · 10-12-2003, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy
2000charge.com for eu debit. If you're going to go for an eu processor you may as well go for one that actually processes eu specific payments as well as eu cards.
I've asked for 2000charge implementation with mpa2 previously.. good to see you're looking into it.

We have for a while. No doubt that this is something lots of our existing as well as new MPA2 users (both owners and affiliates) will benefit from.

The idea is that MPA2 will get a valid transaction through, whatever it takes, and adding a EU processor is definately important for many webmasters.

BluMedia · 10-12-2003, 06:50 PM

I think 2000charge would be a great add on to the MPA2. We used them awhile back and they have great support and they had their pages in over 10 languages which is nice and never had any problems with them.

Mark

grannytgp · 10-12-2003, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein

Doing well as in what? All over performance, tech support and customer service? Tell me more...

I mean doing well as in overall performance. I've been rotating my JOIN page 50% CCBill and 50% Verotel for the past two weeks -- a crude, but effective way to test overall performance. And in that span, Verotel has almost doubled CCBill in successfull new sales, with nearly equal traffic reaching both join page.

Coincidence that the surfers that were willing to buy happened to hit the Verotel join pages? Maybe.... but I doubt it. I think it's just the level of CCBill's scrubbing as compared to Verotel.

Does the extra scrubbing help webmasters? Sure it does.... but when it starts literally cutting into the bottom line, you definitely have to start looking for alternative ways to get the sales through.

bhutocracy · 10-12-2003, 07:31 PM

btw i've just seen mpa2 switched on for an affiliate and the ratio is 1:21 for 84 hits. 2 epoch, 2 cascaded to psw. I realise the secondary ratio falls to a third/half of the first and there are bugger all hits which is why the cascading looks hot, but still, damn.. good shit!

bhutocracy · 10-12-2003, 07:36 PM

and before anyone cries bs, it's a $2.95 3 day trial on the affiliate's members traffic. not tgp.

OY · 10-12-2003, 09:43 PM

BluMedia - Mark, always good to hear what you have to say... Duly noted...

grannytgp - Pretty impressive. And you are right that the scrubbing is normally good for the webmaster. After all we do have to stay below a 1% CB ratio these days. However, VALID transactions are being scrubbed out. And THAT is not what we want. Bottom line AND being in business is what it is all about. Be competitve, stay ahead... use what is necessary to stay on top!

bhutocracy - Seriously?!? Hmmm.... Well, I have seen similar numbers before. Different equations, but same numbers. Some even more extreme. I would love to hear other webmasters with the same experiences...

PeerPatrick · 10-12-2003, 10:50 PM

Hi Oystein, just wanted to say hello.

Theo · 10-12-2003, 10:52 PM

As i keep saying: Cascading billing should be the no1 priority of any affiliate program that doesnt offer it at the moment.

Groove · 10-13-2003, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
...and Electracash offers a product where they will print, cut and send out checks for the affiliate program owner, called MPA2PAY...

What are the fees for MPA2PAY?

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein

bhutocracy - Seriously?!? Hmmm.... Well, I have seen similar numbers before. Different equations, but same numbers. Some even more extreme. I would love to hear other webmasters with the same experiences...

ahh im going off the figures you posted a few weeks ago that had the secondary processor at 50% of the primary signups and assuming they are the norm - I wasn't going to claim mpa2 doubles signups based on 84 hits even though it did!

justsexxx · 10-13-2003, 01:11 AM

http://www.mpa2pay.com/ ?

kmanrox · 10-13-2003, 02:28 AM

mpa r0rx0rz j00r b0x0rz!!!!

OY · 10-13-2003, 10:43 AM

PeerPatrick - Wassuuup Pat

Soul_Rebel - For sure!

Groove - Contact [email protected] for fee structure. And btw, this is a service ANYONE can use. Not just MPA2 affiliate program owners. Perfect for merchant account holders that have to cut their own checks as well.

bhutocracy -
quote: "ahh im going off the figures you posted a few weeks ago that had the secondary processor at 50% of the primary signups and assuming they are the norm - I wasn't going to claim mpa2 doubles signups based on 84 hits even though it did!"

That was a pretty extreme case where the primary processor obviously was scrubbing way too hard, hence the big number for secondary. That is NOT the norm. The norm, and this is from feedback from our customers, is an average of 26% more signups for the secondary and third combined. Over 30% is not abnormal. So looking at your own numbers and calculating that you will make that much more if you cascade through a secondary and thir processor, an investment into a system like MPA2 is absolutely worth it when you get to a certain volume of transactions.

justsexxx - Contact Fitz at electracash - the domain is only reserved. Electracash is handling this

kmanrox - True dat!

EZRhino · 10-13-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
psw
just in case they come back!

OY · 10-13-2003, 02:05 PM

FYI:

One current configuration with actual numbers from a customer using MPA2s cascading credit card processing:

Primary
68%
Secondary
31%
Third
1%

Total of 100% credit card signups

Checks on top of that
8,5%

And here is another configuration:

Primary
81%
Secondary
15%
third
4%

Total of 100% credit card signups

Checks on top of that
7,5%

figured it would be interesting to see how the numbers break down if you have have different primary, secondary and third processor in your cascade.

I will come back with new numbers once we have a EU processor selected and tested with customers for a while - then break it down by geo location.

garry · 10-13-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo

Yes, but it's nothing extremely important RIGHT NOW.

You better add 2 solid EU processors like Verotel and 2000charge before thinking about SMS billing.

As someone said previously, EU processors can be very interesting for any US sponsor. Redirect any EU traffic directly to the MPA2's EU processors list. (CCBill EU and Jettis are not real EU processors)

ok,,, so no sms billing then

OY · 10-13-2003, 05:18 PM

I think the general feedback we get is that SMS billing in the EU is second priority after a good working EU credit/debit card processor...

Groove · 10-13-2003, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
FYI:
One current configuration with actual numbers from a customer using MPA2s cascading credit card processing:

What's the average breakdown across all customers?

wig · 10-13-2003, 06:06 PM

Oystein / Gary,

From everyting I have heard, you guys have a great product. Your cascading billing is a must and I am sure merchants that use MPA are reaping the reward.

Why do you think checks make up such a low percentage? 7-8% seems low in my experience.

Are you guys planning to do anything different to give ACH more exposure?

Is this something that the merchant can control? In other words, are they able to choose to promote ACH more prominently than credit cards or dialers?

Afterall, ACH is cheaper to process, has better retention and with the VISA/MC issues more merchants will be looking to maximize ACH as time goes on.

BradShaw · 10-13-2003, 06:07 PM

I agree, pushing checks more is a good idea. We have used WTS for years.

BTW, if you are really looking for advice, give me a discount on that copy of MPA2 we are buying for a project and I will give you advice;-)

OY · 10-13-2003, 09:14 PM

Groove - I will gather a few from the ones of our customers who want to share them with us and see if I can get the lates "average" for a couple of different configurations. I will post them in this thread in a few days...

wig - Thanks for the props. And yes they are! No doubt about that.

From when I was with Epochsystems back in the 90's the ACH (check) processing was +/- 10% of the total sales. I haven't seen that big of a difference today except for, as you say, the ones that promote it harder. This is something we do recommend our customers to do, especially in these "crazy" credit card processing days. No doubt.

There are several things that can be done by the merchant to increase the check processing volume within the MPA2 setup - it is all in the layout of the join form sequence. Highly customizable - and it is up to each individual MPA2 administrator/program owner to set this.

I am personally a big fan of ACH processing and think it should be dealt with a lot more seriously than unfortunately most program owners do today.

So we are definately on the same page here

I would love to hear from program owners that does NOT offer ACH processing as a form of payment WHY they don't.
I would also love to hear from program owners what THEIR % of total sales comes from ACH transactions...

BradShaw - I am convinced that you know what you are doing Brad, so both WTS and MPA2 are given choices for you in your ventures

We are looking forward to doing business with you, at last, Brad, and I know we will get lots of feedback once you have started to use the program. I am sure you will make so much good money with MPA2 that you will THROW more money at us just because it works so extremely good for you ;-)

Groove · 10-14-2003, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
Groove - I will gather a few from the ones of our customers who want to share them with us and see if I can get the lates "average" for a couple of different configurations. I will post them in this thread in a few days...

That would be great, thanks

I also have another question for you...

I assume CCBillEU and Jettis (EU) are already supported by MPA2?

10-11-2003, 11:31 PM	#3
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10-11-2003, 11:40 PM	#4
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	ibill.. i like them.. but if there is a prob, i bet the affiliates will be bugging the shit out of the sponsor.. something that they might not want. i dont know about their eu processing or shit. i just like to say ibill is a doube edge sword. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

10-12-2003, 01:00 AM	#6
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Why - PayPal has been implemented for over a year (just forgot to mention them...) and Epassporte is in the works. (KimmyKim... please stand up :-)) QuickBooks has been implemented from the start, for payouts, and Electracash offers a product where they will print, cut and send out checks for the affiliate program owner, called MPA2PAY... JupZChris - chowda - We took IBill out of the three standard processors well over a year ago. They are still offered as an alternative. Stramm - They are definately on top of our list. Why do YOU go for them in particular? Pros? Cons? __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-12-2003, 01:19 AM	#7
Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	hmmm now a cool feature would be is if the signup process could determine where the surfer was from ie europe / asia and then direct them to that particular processor that best fit that surfer, also could setup who would be the backup as well. If that isn't in place yet. __________________ ReliableServers.com - NO REF LINK!

10-12-2003, 01:22 AM	#8
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Keev - In the works... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-11-2003, 10:21 PM	#1
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	MPA2 crew looking for advice...... The MPA2 crew from Mansion Productions are considering adding an additional processor to back up the existing processors already implemented. Currently three main ones are Epochsystems , CCBill , and PSW billing and also implemented are Netbilling (for merchant account holders), Jettis , IBill and of course Electracash for check processing and EGroup (NoCreditCard) as dialer solution. Now this time we want to have a European processor, and possibly an Asian one as well. What we need from you guys in GFY land is advice on which one(s) to choose to implement. So please spam this thread with your pros and cons about your experiences with your European and or Asian processor that can handle the adult webmasters demanding processing. We want it all... Good or bad! Thanks all.... Oh and one thing.... GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-11-2003, 11:29 PM	#2
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	how about paypal, and epassporte payouts?

10-11-2003, 11:45 PM	#5
Stramm Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NL Posts: 342	I'd love to see Verotel and/ or 2000charge in the list

10-12-2003, 01:23 AM	#9
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	2000charge?

10-12-2003, 01:26 AM	#10
grannytgp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 269	Verotel has been doing really well for me as of late... so my vote definitely goes to them for implementation into MPA2 __________________ No sig = good sig

10-12-2003, 02:28 AM	#14
XXXInsights Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 112	verotel, cause it's a good alternative for non us webmasters

10-12-2003, 02:30 AM	#15
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10-12-2003, 03:47 AM	#16
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	psw just in case they come back!

10-12-2003, 04:12 AM	#17
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	We are using Verotel and have for the most great with them , just had a time they had a black out and change over and was down a small time , i get letters for the head guy there helping me on things now i want to ask why the fuck would you be using PWS BILLING dont these people still owe out a ton and that is all we need another biller owing more __________________ ICQ # :158519717

10-12-2003, 04:18 AM	#18
JOP Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 931	Oystein, hit me up for german processing __________________ JOP

10-12-2003, 04:37 AM	#20
EvilDan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: I like being Down Under Posts: 179	ask me that same question when we meet next week mate Have I got an answer for you

10-12-2003, 10:02 AM	#21
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Stramm - Perfect. I would love to hear that from more webmasters too. freeheaven - That seems to be the general feedback I get too. Thanks boneprone - makefuckingmoney - PSW is one of the three standard processors we use. prostock - Thanks for the feedback on Verotel. As for PSW, we are monitoring them continously. JOP - Email me at oystein at mansionproductions dot com with your contact info please. Jizar II - See comment to prostock above... EvilDan - Looking forward to meeting you, as always Dan. Give me a ring or send me an email when you get to town - I am sure a couple of drinks and maybe a dinner would be appropriate And I still want more feedback guys! Keep'em coming... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-12-2003, 04:29 PM	#22
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	How about SMS billing. Would that be something you guys would want us to add ? Paying over the cell phone is getting bigger and bigger in Europe, and Im sure it would generate some extra sales for you.... Should we, yes or no __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

10-12-2003, 05:57 PM	#24
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	Verotel and 2000charge. Why? Simply because Europeen are extremely limited since PSW's fiasco. We need solid EU processors... why not add both Verotel and 2000charge? Verotel is the most popular... but will they be still alive in 1 year? I agree that 2000charge's BE debit card is pretty interesting. Last edited by the indigo; 10-12-2003 at 05:59 PM..

10-12-2003, 06:09 PM	#27
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	2000charge.com for eu debit. If you're going to go for an eu processor you may as well go for one that actually processes eu specific payments as well as eu cards. I've asked for 2000charge implementation with mpa2 previously.. good to see you're looking into it.

10-12-2003, 06:50 PM	#30
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	I think 2000charge would be a great add on to the MPA2. We used them awhile back and they have great support and they had their pages in over 10 languages which is nice and never had any problems with them. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

10-12-2003, 07:31 PM	#32
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	btw i've just seen mpa2 switched on for an affiliate and the ratio is 1:21 for 84 hits. 2 epoch, 2 cascaded to psw. I realise the secondary ratio falls to a third/half of the first and there are bugger all hits which is why the cascading looks hot, but still, damn.. good shit!

10-12-2003, 07:36 PM	#33
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	and before anyone cries bs, it's a $2.95 3 day trial on the affiliate's members traffic. not tgp.

10-12-2003, 09:43 PM	#34
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	BluMedia - Mark, always good to hear what you have to say... Duly noted... grannytgp - Pretty impressive. And you are right that the scrubbing is normally good for the webmaster. After all we do have to stay below a 1% CB ratio these days. However, VALID transactions are being scrubbed out. And THAT is not what we want. Bottom line AND being in business is what it is all about. Be competitve, stay ahead... use what is necessary to stay on top! bhutocracy - Seriously?!? Hmmm.... Well, I have seen similar numbers before. Different equations, but same numbers. Some even more extreme. I would love to hear other webmasters with the same experiences... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within! Last edited by OY; 10-12-2003 at 10:11 PM..

10-12-2003, 10:50 PM	#35
PeerPatrick Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: www Posts: 444	Hi Oystein, just wanted to say hello. __________________ PeerPatrick ICQ#150599121 www.buydrm.com

10-12-2003, 10:52 PM	#36
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	As i keep saying: Cascading billing should be the no1 priority of any affiliate program that doesnt offer it at the moment.

10-13-2003, 01:11 AM	#39
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	http://www.mpa2pay.com/ ? __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

10-13-2003, 02:28 AM	#40
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	mpa r0rx0rz j00r b0x0rz!!!! __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

10-13-2003, 10:43 AM	#41
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	PeerPatrick - Wassuuup Pat Soul_Rebel - For sure! Groove - Contact [email protected] for fee structure. And btw, this is a service ANYONE can use. Not just MPA2 affiliate program owners. Perfect for merchant account holders that have to cut their own checks as well. bhutocracy - quote: "ahh im going off the figures you posted a few weeks ago that had the secondary processor at 50% of the primary signups and assuming they are the norm - I wasn't going to claim mpa2 doubles signups based on 84 hits even though it did!" That was a pretty extreme case where the primary processor obviously was scrubbing way too hard, hence the big number for secondary. That is NOT the norm. The norm, and this is from feedback from our customers, is an average of 26% more signups for the secondary and third combined. Over 30% is not abnormal. So looking at your own numbers and calculating that you will make that much more if you cascade through a secondary and thir processor, an investment into a system like MPA2 is absolutely worth it when you get to a certain volume of transactions. justsexxx - Contact Fitz at electracash - the domain is only reserved. Electracash is handling this kmanrox - True dat! __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-13-2003, 02:05 PM	#43
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	FYI: One current configuration with actual numbers from a customer using MPA2s cascading credit card processing: Primary 68% Secondary 31% Third 1% Total of 100% credit card signups Checks on top of that 8,5% And here is another configuration: Primary 81% Secondary 15% third 4% Total of 100% credit card signups Checks on top of that 7,5% figured it would be interesting to see how the numbers break down if you have have different primary, secondary and third processor in your cascade. I will come back with new numbers once we have a EU processor selected and tested with customers for a while - then break it down by geo location. __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-13-2003, 05:18 PM	#45
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	I think the general feedback we get is that SMS billing in the EU is second priority after a good working EU credit/debit card processor... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

10-13-2003, 06:06 PM	#47
wig Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Panama Posts: 708	Oystein / Gary, From everyting I have heard, you guys have a great product. Your cascading billing is a must and I am sure merchants that use MPA are reaping the reward. Why do you think checks make up such a low percentage? 7-8% seems low in my experience. Are you guys planning to do anything different to give ACH more exposure? Is this something that the merchant can control? In other words, are they able to choose to promote ACH more prominently than credit cards or dialers? Afterall, ACH is cheaper to process, has better retention and with the VISA/MC issues more merchants will be looking to maximize ACH as time goes on. __________________ Credit Card and ACH Processing

10-13-2003, 06:07 PM	#48
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I agree, pushing checks more is a good idea. We have used WTS for years. BTW, if you are really looking for advice, give me a discount on that copy of MPA2 we are buying for a project and I will give you advice;-) __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

10-13-2003, 09:14 PM	#49
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Groove - I will gather a few from the ones of our customers who want to share them with us and see if I can get the lates "average" for a couple of different configurations. I will post them in this thread in a few days... wig - Thanks for the props. And yes they are! No doubt about that. From when I was with Epochsystems back in the 90's the ACH (check) processing was +/- 10% of the total sales. I haven't seen that big of a difference today except for, as you say, the ones that promote it harder. This is something we do recommend our customers to do, especially in these "crazy" credit card processing days. No doubt. There are several things that can be done by the merchant to increase the check processing volume within the MPA2 setup - it is all in the layout of the join form sequence. Highly customizable - and it is up to each individual MPA2 administrator/program owner to set this. I am personally a big fan of ACH processing and think it should be dealt with a lot more seriously than unfortunately most program owners do today. So we are definately on the same page here I would love to hear from program owners that does NOT offer ACH processing as a form of payment WHY they don't. I would also love to hear from program owners what THEIR % of total sales comes from ACH transactions... BradShaw - I am convinced that you know what you are doing Brad, so both WTS and MPA2 are given choices for you in your ventures We are looking forward to doing business with you, at last, Brad, and I know we will get lots of feedback once you have started to use the program. I am sure you will make so much good money with MPA2 that you will THROW more money at us just because it works so extremely good for you ;-) __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!