Anyone see the irony that Acacia's patent claims have prior art posted in the form of a video on a website??

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Sweet! Good luck with that Brandon :thumbsup

Just so this isn't a case where you say later "... cause no one asked me"


Do you have an CDROM discs that you might have purchased prior to 1990 for your BBS?

On these discs would be PC-speaker audioi files, Max Headroom, Star Trek, Hal9000 audio clips, GL files, etc.

If you have them, let me know.. you would be holding some great prior art in your hands (i am referring to the CDROM :Graucho )


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Acacia's ticker is ACTG not ACTT



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you guys forgot the article on this article page.

http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/MakingMoney.html

ugg,, page seems to be missing the article... fixed now.


Mo Patents, Mo Money: Making money by licensing patents
(written September 2, 2003 )


As you can tell by reading the news and this website, there is a new way to make money. Forget about making a product that people will buy and use. Forget about inventing gadgets and devices that cause consumers to flock to you. Forget about starting a dot-com business and trying to be execute on a business plan.

The way to make money nowadays is to buy patents or to file patents for all kinds of ideas, and then later, license the patent to other companies.

For those that remember the Unisys/GIF issue of having to license the GIF patent, there is a small sigh of relief that the patent just expired! But as you recall, Unisys came out of dormancy by requiring software manufacturers to license the GIF image format. GIF images were so widely used by website and graphic programs that the whole computer industry was up in arms.

A company down in Austin, Texas is now coming back for the Unisys/GIF sequel and claiming the patent to JPEG! They are taking the right approach towards patent enforcement/licensing.. target businesses that MAKE PRODUCTS that utilize the patents.

If Forgent had followed Acacia's strategy, they would be suing every website that had JPEG images on them. This author believes that Acacia should have FIRST targeted companies like Real Networks and Microsoft for producing the technology that they felt violated their patents. If they really did own the patent to streaming/downloading audio, then let the big businesses (who are profitable) deal with the licensing issues. They in turn would end up passing down costs to the consumers.

Speaking of which..... Do you know how much money a DVD manufacturer has to pay for MPEG, Dolby, and DVD licensing to make a DVD player? The answer is about $20 per machine. This article details the licensing fees and how China is producing DVD players WITHOUT paying for licenses.

The cost of licensing a patent gets passed onto the consumers eventually. So with these kinds of licensing fees, and despite mass purchases by Walmart, we'll probably never see a $20 DVD player.

So if you are up late at night and watching TV, and you see those ads for patenting your invention/idea, maybe you might pay more attention to them now. Who knows, you may have some crazy idea today, that technologically speaking can't be created, but wait about 5-10 years and maybe it will. And by then, you'll be able to start suing companies and licensing patents.

You don't need a business plan or investors! Just come up with crazy ideas, file the patents, and wait for technology and people to start using your idea. This is the new, new, new, new, new, new economy.




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thanks. i was posting the link. i am sure the person who posted there will keep post again.

My favorite quotes from the video:

"or how to fuck someone on a bus and then leave them stranded on the side of the road..."

Oh whoops.. I added that last one myself.

This was my favorite part.. i think I'll go watch it again...

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I have got some PC-DOS speaker programs that have digitized voice that was around prior to 1990.

I'll post them for people to download on my Squirt.html page later once i dig through some more emails.. .

It sounded garbled on my Windows XP, running in a dos window.. i need to make a real DOS disk and try it that way.



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I've watched it about 5 times now.

Cheers :glugglug

Speaking of "Cheers"... quiet is going to be STOKED when he gets here :)

leak such news constantly to the big "wallstreet press boys". If investors loose faith it'll all go away soon :) chapter 11 if the financial plug is taken out.

Funny ... when I played it for you on the phone you were shocked and excited.. now you had it all along?

Care to explain?

http://www.uk.research.att.com/labvid.html

I'm not sure if this is the same thing but it's from the same place that the pandora thing was found. If it's not the same shit, I'll keep looking.:)

Keep looking!!!! Good work... I've forwarded this to Brandon!

OK, now I am asking for people to help in the search for Prior Art....

I started FightThePatent.com as a one-man crusade.. now that I formed the idea of creating Fight The Patent Foundation, this is growing beyond just me, since this thread has clearly proven that people do what to take a stand against patent abuse.

So in order to coordinate things... feel free to check out:

http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html

for a list of searches that I am looking for / working on (these are leads that I don't have answers yet)

For a list of prior art already found (just now adding to it, so bare with me as i rummage through my stuff to post..already got some good stuff up) at:

http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


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Time to sell your Acacia stock!

Acacia Employee: "What does Owned mean?"

Acacia CEO: "It means we own the patents maybe?"

:1orglaugh :321GFY

Squirtit - Thanks for posting this information.

here's something. Again I'm not sure that it's completely relevent but it may help. I will keep looking. I don't know much but I have been reading up while looking for shit.

lol I was just about to say that... good news!! when everyone knows there is piror art out there, then something is bound to be dug up... just gotta keep looking for more.

as a side note for those that are searching..

a company called Radiation (now Harris corp) devloped the system the Associated Press used to send pictures and videos around the world to all it's affiliates. This was late 70's early 80's ...

I havn't found much info out about it... but I know it was devloped..

When you played it for me on the phone last night, I was tired and sleepy... after watching it the next day, i'm shocked and excited.



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:thumbsup Let's all keep on searching.. the more prior art the better!! Not only to fight Acacia.. but others who are in line to follow.. like ideaflood.com

It's on my search list (http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/Searching.html) ... i tried to make a contact into AP..still waiting for a response...

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Good lead thanks!

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-945686.html?tag=fd_lede


try this... look on the paragraph entitled who was first.

2 gentlemen by the name of Wen-Hsiung Chen and Daniel Klenke.

You might have already found this though.

these guys are the inventors to the claimed JPEG patent.... Probably not a good lead to chase since they were focused on image compression, rather than video compression.

I have talked to the CTO of Forgent.. their company used to be big in video conferencing and have many patents.. i was looking to see if they have potential prior art...


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University research on video 1989 .. do a google or yahoo on that.. dogpile is great as well..or "research video 1989"

this is great work!!!

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nice one Squirt...

have been searching my self as well in those days i was an amiga user and i have been searching the web for proof of software that was capable of doing it all i could find was this list

http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/amigahis/

but it's to darn long ago to remeber what program we used back then :( so maybe there are others here that do remember when they look at the list.

Thanks Charly!! You guys at Paul Markham Content are great.. and have awesome contenet! And thank you Vicki ! I'm not sure what company you are with, but here is your sig ! ... Thanks again guys.. and for those anonymous people who have pledged to FightThePatent and helped IMPA .. Good job!
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Good find !

Anyone here remember this? http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/amigahis/

Is this something to be investigated further?

yes, Amiga computers had more sophisticated graphics and audio at the time... try to find BBS operators of Amiga sites...or companies that sold CDROM of files to BBS sites (boardwatch.com is a good source especially old issues prior to 1990).

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You would think so ! Who knows what's happening behind the scenes! :thumbsup

The Amiga Desktop Video Workbook by Jay Gross:

http://amiga.emugaming.com/deskvid2.jpg

http://amiga.emugaming.com/deskvid.jpg


i can't find a date for this book...

but...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

they are out of stock...

Product Details


Hardcover
Publisher: Amigadget Pr; (September 1990)
ISBN: 1879211009
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1,458,472



and on http://www.addall.com/Browse/Detail/1879211009.html


Publisher's Note:
A practical, complete, plain English guide to doing video with your Amiga Computer, including: Animation tools, software, & techniques, 3-D modeling, rendering & raytracing, MIDI & Amiga internal music & sound for video, staging & managing talent, sound mixing, timing, & time code, video editing & postproduction, scripting & storyboarding, choosing the right equipment, titling & graphics, digitizing & scanning, lighting & special effects, & single frame recording...plus a thorough, how to guide to opening & running your own video production business; getting clients, pricing, copyrights, & trademarks, doing the work, & making a profit. Disk included.

just found another one that might be intresting..


http://www.newtek.com/newtek/milestones.html


1986
NewTek introduced its first product, DigiView, in 1986. DigiView, built to run on the Amiga platform, was the first video digitizer for a computer. Soon afterward, NewTek followed with DigiPaint, which provided video painting capabilities within the computer system. The success of these two products provided NewTek and Jenison with the funding to pursue a deeper goal, development of the ultimate low-cost video production system.

1990
This goal reached fruition in October 1990, when NewTek shipped the Amiga VT®. The VT® evolved from a simple premise: provide all the tools necessary to create broadcast-quality television in a single, accessible device. Not surprisingly, the established broadcast video industry greeted the VT® with skepticism, at best. Despite these marketing challenges, the VT® caught on with an enormous range of people who shared a desire to "make TV". It literally replaced hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment for $5,000, and put sophisticated skills and tools into the hands of "average" people - from high school students to professional event videographers.

Keep in mind on your searches about what they are claiming.

Here's a formal summary that was given to me:

The process of storing compressed video in a libary for distribution over a distributed network (optionally at the request of the remote user)


My version is:

The streaming/ downloading of audio/video files from a (web) server.


There patent can be seen as being in two parts.

Part 1) The digitization and compressing of audio/video that is usually done by some 3rd party and a website purchases/licenses the content


Part) Making it available for download via a website.


It is the combination of Part 1 (which the website isn't involved in) and Part 2 that is the infringement.

It makes my head ache everytime i think about this patent... because it's not specific to some kind of invention or tangible creation, just an idea of putting pieces together that is clearly not novel (see video that squirt found).

The thing to keep in mind, what Acacia is claiming is not what the Patent Office was thinking when they granted the patent, IMO.

Just look at the language they used in the patent in my article http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Teleportation.html

i think the patent examiner was seeing a more sci-fi invention here that is comparable to the teleporter in Star Trek.

It just goes to show how absurd these patent abuse cases can be when a patent holder INTEPRETS their patent to be BROADER than what is says.

That whole bit about digitizing musical instruments and sending it to the end user? Acacia lawyers, please explain that one.


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i understand what you mean by that but i needed to find the prove that the amiga was indeed capable of making videos now i need to start digging in my bbs cd's to see if i got some proof on those... [ used to run a amiga bbs in 1986 ]

The Amiga Video Toaster was able to do this.

very interesting.. now if you can find evidence of the fact that a video file created with this software was stored on a BBS, and people were able to download it to view it, even if only from inside this application, then you may have found something.

I;d say to work this one.


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Since I been digging forever now, see my ancient thread on gfy about bbs's. I have yet to stop digging. Anyone want a basic complete history dating well back beyond the scope of any of the dates posted so far? Includes who did what and when. Most of it was not intended for such a limited idea as streaming videos, they had something much greater master plan. By the way these people had complete forsite, working examples, and well can still be contacted today.

Want an idea of the foresight these people had?

"It is my belief that computer and media technology will continue to have an increasingly profound effect on everyone on the planet... and if artists don't jump in and proactively help shape these powerful new tools, it will be left by default to advertisers, the military, organized religion, and sex peddlers." - 1979

Can not say he was wrong can we?

man, your arms must be as tired as mine from all this digging :)


While a history lesson would be great, the problem is that we have a short attention span here.. so i'lll just provide a quick history.

Digital audio and video... Good!

Existed before Acacia's patent... Good!

Acacia.... bad!




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Somewhere between 88 and 90

http://personal.southern.edu/~dascott/lwhistory/

Just follow this time line for Multi Media.

Click here

Interesting...

Then maybe, just maybe contact Alan Kay. I think he still works at HP labs. Was one of the original founders of Xerox PARC labs, may have heard of them. Around 69

Chief scientist at Atari 81-84, 84-96 was over at Apple, later went on to Disney imaging labs, then over to HP.

Umm...

I guess....

I think I explained pretty clearly to you up front that we already had the Pandora material and more which I really have no intention of discussing in a public forum.

I was not shocked, but I was excited that you were looking in the rigth direction. It was almost a year ago that we went over that stuff, so chalk my enthusiasm up to simple enjoyment, not shock or excitement.

I really don't want to steal the thunder from your accomplishment and this is the type of Prior Art we want too. I have told you in private that we would be happy to discuss working with you more closely and focusing your efforts, similar to the way we are happy to consult with Brandon.

You guys are doing tremendously helpful things and every webmaster watching this issue should be grateful for your efforts.

I want money
lots and lots of money
i want the pie in the sky