150 patents

Is that a $150 pledge woj?

:winkwink:

My guess is that Pandora's Box is the implementation of years of work. That is, if we look further into this, we might discover a whole line of papers that described the process before these people were able to assemble the components that demonstrate what we see in the video.

The video itself is very powerful, something that can be shown in the courtroom with that e-mail date being paused at. But they didn't just happen upon this, I'm certain there were papers or lectures that discussed "the future" that they built upon to get to that point.

In other words, I see the video not so much as a stopping point, but an excellent place to start working back from!

Again- <BIG><B>WooWoo!!!</B></BIG>

LOL.. and what does WOJ mean?

Is he being negative? Possitive.. Making it seem hopeless? It frustrates me when people post and they don't say anything

woj is a name, the 150 remark was neutral, but my stance on this issue is positive :thumbsup

Isn't it a bit ironic that this find would be named "Pandora's Box" :glugglug

Squirtit,

It was a bit of a inside joke that woj may or may not be aware of.

In Quiets IMPA donation thread (where he donated $5000 to the IMPA if others would donate at least $2500 - which he and they did)...

Woj called simplly "50" on the 50th post & I put him down unofficialy for a $50 donation :1orglaugh

YES!!!! First thing I thought when I found it!! LOL

Yes the companies technical papers on this date back to 1986 !

I'm still searching for more prior art as well

:thumbsup

AH ok.. I get it

You have my respect woj for donating $5000

I donate my time for lack of $5000

We both make a difference... good job!

THIS IS FUCKING GREAT. I WANT TO DONATE 1000.00 TODAY TO THE CAUSE. PLEASE REPLY WITH AN ADDRESS. YES I'M SCREAMING!

I will now create a page on my website to list all prior art finds, especially the one that Squirt posted.

Up until yesterday, the sentiment was to not reveal prior art finds... after talking to another patent attorney and seeing the excitement in people's post about watching that video, has led me to the conclusion that posting of prior art is a good thing.

Working on the page now.. it will be called Squirt.html in honor of Squirt.



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Good lead... keep on searching!!

:GFYBand Thanks!

Very sensible comment.

Do it.

Great! Keep in mind that internal memos, even if publically available now, don't count.

Published books, periodicals, lecture notes, magazines, college thesii (is that the correct plural???) and records of public proceedings (such as engineering or computer conferences) all can be considered.

Fight The Patent Foundation ("FTPF") is looking for pledges, not taking any money yet. The pledge goes towards the goal of reaching $250,000.

Once this happens, i will form the 501c3 non-profit organization.

The charter is very much like ACLU, but focused on patents.

FTPF will help find prior art and convince experts to come forward to testify in a patent abuse case, and to be compensated not by paying them money, but by donating to their favorite charity in their name (ie. pay it forward).

FTPF will also be raising additional donation money from mainstream to build up its own warchest so that it can do things like help pay for defense attorneys for companies that want to fight, but may not have enough resources to do so.

FTPF will also challenge patents at the USPTO by asking petitioning to get patents reviewed and present new prior art evidence with its own team of patent attorneys.


A pledge to FTPF helps to reach the initial goal to get this unique organization working.. one that extends my current efforts to fight against patent abuse cases that affect all businesses.

Acacia is just one company, there are so many more, and some patent infringement claims may come from WITHIN the adult industry.

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Yes.. I wonder if video of a computer conference regarding this technology counts? LOL he he he

I'm not saying that this should be done, but this Yahoo message board (and other similar stock boards) at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mb?s=ACTG

does have alot of stock traders jumping to buy at every PR statement that Acacia makes.... wonder what would happen if bad news, like say a video was shown to them, was made aware to them?



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I have a problem with this. You basically just stopped someone who was ready to donate to IMPAI with your currently bogus foundation.

Why try to compete with IMPAI for the same money (because it is the same money)? You keep saying that you are trying to help them, but the more I see you post, the more you just seem to be after the attention.

Setting up a solid basis to fight frivolous patent is a good idea; Hijacking every Acacia like you are doing is not.

You have a good idea and seem to be a good person, but the way you are "piggy-backing" on the effort of the IMPAI group is shameless.

Get a grip, than Keep Fighting the Patent.

It's because of FightThePatent that I've searched for prior art and continue to search.

Brandon ( FTP ) was the first person I called with my prior art info and he's not "hijacking" this thread.

We are ALL working together so get with the program and do your part instead of attacking someone that's fighting to save all of our butts! :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :GFYBand :moon

To break Acacia and show the next bunch of lawyers we are not to be fooled with.All that is need is an effort by us to pay for it. Or do you want to go through this again?

I guess my point wasnt clear. I think what he is doing is very valid and needs to be done.

My problem is, he stopped someone from donating to IMPAI.

Err no... QUIET dontated $5000.

Woj... no idea.

You're a good man, Brandon.

Looking how <A HREF="http://web.archive.org/web/20010826145818/http://www.bountyquest.com/bounties/displayBounty.php?bountyName=1067" target="_blank">BountyQuest.com</A> operated as successfully as it did might be of help. Disregarding the contest aspect of it, they did frequent updates of specifics, as they were found, on any outstanding bounty.

I have talked to Spike and Far-L many times on the phone, so we already understand each other and support each other's efforts.

There is some confusion here about IMPA.

So many people believe that by donating to the IMPA, that the money goes to paying for attorneys in the fight against Acacia.

This is clearly not the case..

IMPA is an Association. Associations have members... and what has not been made clear to everyone (and i have said this recently to them) that people are confused.

Look at this page:
http://www.impai.org/join.html
(website is back up)

This is a join page for membership to the association. For those that donated money to IMPA, and I salute you for getting involved, did you get a membership card?

Did you know that rather than donating to IMPA, that you could show your support by joining them? You get their newsletter, access to their website, etc...

I haven't seen one post to give any indication that people knew this...so for the thread where people were donating to IMPA, those people's donations should probably first be converted into "membership" and the rest of the money over the $100 level would be the "donation"

I can only assume that you donated to IMPA and that you of course knew all of this information and are now a card-carrying member... but so many don't. I know this for a fact in the number of people who contact me over the confusion and on the posts that i read on this board.


Being a member means yearly payment of the dues. People join associations like Free Speech Coalition etc, to be apart of a group that is being active on a cause they believe in.


FTPF is not an association, it is to be a non-profit foundation that fights against all kinds of patent abuse cases.

IMPA is an association that is looking after business issues that concern adult webmasters.

There is a Defense Fund that the defendants put money into, to pool their resources to pay for attorney time.

If you want to help the defendants cover some of their financial burden in having legal representation, then you can donate to the Defense Fund....

When it comes to asking webmasters for money, yes we are competing for the webmaster's limited dollars, that's a fact that we understand.

How our organizations work is very different. If I can't generate enough pledges to reach the goal, then FTPF won't be able to form.

IMPA will still be around, since the founding members are the defendants against Acacia's lawsuits. IMPA is trying to get industry support to look after industry issues. Patents are just 1 facet of what they are covering, and it is this issue where we overlap.. but there is great synergy.


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looking at my plegde database... nope no pledge.. guess i didn't stop anyone.....

I didn't see anywhere on this thread, that this as an offical IMPA thread.... and that i have committed blasphemy by making my posts.

Am i the first one to plug their own efforts in a thread?

I atleast chose relevant threads to do so.


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Ya, i tracked down the founder Charles Cella, and asked him why they are no longer around after getting some major funding from Jeff Bezos and Tim O'Reilly.

He said that they ran out of money.. they had high overhead of salaries, office space, etc... They were successful in what they did, (also patented the process of offering a bounty for leads)

They were a for-profit organization, looking to generate revenue from companies that would hire them to do prior art searches through the bounty method.....


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ps. i know you do support my efforts

Ah.. got it LOL

Start a new thread DrGuile

This thread is about Acacia and prior art.

Thank you

You did a good job which probably took you a long time and cost you money.

No one works for free, so how about you have $1,000 worth of content for free.

Anyone else one to step up and show this guy there appreciation feel free.
:)

Squirtit :thumbsup

Good Job Squirtit,


:thumbsup

actually some do.... besides working for free, this activism effort to get people to help and provide prior art also racks up the phone bill. I also now have a patent attorney that provides his time for free to help me sift through patent law and patent issues. He doesn't do this for recognition (doesn't want their name released), but because they too are pissed off about these patent abuse cases and want to join the fight to help stop them.

In order for me to keep doing this, rather than working on my own ventures and do consulting work, I need to have this effort properly funded.

Having Fight the Patent Foundation operational means i can devote a full time effort as well as being able to make a personal and professional difference in the way patent abuse cases are looked at. I would also have the war chest to be much more effective at fighting patent abuse by having a team of volunteers and paid professionals involved as well as being able to donate to charitable organizations on behalf of experts that come forward to testify.

There is so much patent abuse going on, way more than Acacia, and it's pretty much a downer to keep reading about all of these cases (here's a good one to read http://www.YouMayBeNext.com).

There is a movement now at the grassroots level to fight back against these absurd claims. For me and most of the people here, this is our first time at being involved, concerned, and even care about patent cases.....

Until i first read about Acacia and started my website, i overlooked all the patent stuff, now that i am involved, it bothers me, and so I give up my professional time for free, to take on this fight... but as my wife keeps reminding me, doing work for free doesn't pay our bills.

I continue my efforts with Fight the Patent and now the proposed start of Fight the Patent Foundation for as long as my wife allows it (she is bringing home the bacon now).

All of the great posts and interest in this thread does help me to keep going, to know that people do care about these issues and are wanting to make a stand as well.

FTPF is just another way a person can make a stand. IMPA is another. Contributing to the Defense Fund of the defendants is yet another. Doing nothing is helping no one, including yourself if you have any audio or video on your website.

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I didn't make myself clear ...
what I meant was that step #1 would seem to me to get the patent overturned. To do that there is no need to use up legal fees in a court battle. The patent and trademark office will do this on their own when given proof of prior art. It's now a normal proceedure to have them reexamined.

I know this because I had a trademark granted, then revolked upon reexamination (in my case it wasn't prior art that killed it though, but the same process holds true)

THEN those involved can use the legal fees saved to smack Acacia up side the head in suits for recovery of damages etc ... and inturn show the secondary wolves we don't take things like this laying down!

I'm just trying to say that its unneccessary to do one thing in order to get BOTH accomplished .

I should add that if the legal eagles think its best to have it proven in court - then by all means, DO IT! :)

... boy I hope this made sense or someone will call me a blonde! Nevermind that I am LMAO

now thats what I call CLASS!

I'll do my part also, squirtit hit me on ICQ and i'll give you some free SE traffic (or tgp listings) to go with your new content :)

Many thanks to Squirtit and Brandon for their very helpful efforts!

what Vicki is referring to, is that a patent can be petitioned to USPTO for review, to re-examine the patent in light of new prior art that wasn't found or disclosed at the time of the filing.

If you read this website http://www.YouMayBeNext.com you will see it is a struggle to get before them to review a patent.

Also, given an impending court case, the USPTO may decide to hold off on the review, to allow the court to make their decision.. they don't want to create the situation where one validated the patent and the other invalidated it, causes all kinds of legal mess.

It's a double-edged sword, because if you don't present good enough prior art, then they may get tired of hearing another petition for the same case.

What would have been ideal is to have all the great prior art presented to the USPTO, prior to any lawsuits.....then as you pointed out, the great expense of a court trial could be avoided.

This is exactly what I am proposing to do with Fight The Patent Foundation.

In addition to wanting to start this movement, I am also readying/studying Patent Law, with the goal of taking the Patent Exam. You don't need to be an attorney to take the exam, and having passed the exam means you can deal with patent issues and the USPTO.

This just allows me, a technically skilled person, to have the credentials to do battle on patent cases by assisting lawyers with JD and patent law credentials fight the fight.



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YES Squirt Rocks for sure, but Far-L is there any word from the Lawyers about Squirt's prior art finding???

This thread was just posted on http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...0497&mid=21730

Lensman will make Alexa's top ten list yet...

Vicki
Any way we can show people that we are probably not the "Lowest hanging fruit" or "Unsophisticated" works for me.

Berman is probably sitting in his office now thinking WTF?

Spoiled his coffee and doughnot. :1orglaugh

Another video just surfaced on actg's forum -
http://www.uk.research.att.com/pub/v...r-qsif-200.mpg

haha.

wow

funny stuff. :)

i am sure there are other investors that might appreciate the info? ragingbull (lycos?)etc.

AFter talking to a patent attorney for four hours yesterday, his thoughts were to go ahead and publish prior art information for all to see.

Given Squirt's excellent video find, I have started a new page on the website where I will list all prior art finds, links, etc.. in order to help those that are deciding what they should do about acacia, to help in not having duplication of search efforts, and to just show the world that patents are bad only when prior art exists.. otherwise, patents are good things.

The filename is in dedication to Squirt's find and posting of the vide:

http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


Feel free to post this URL on any message board where you feel that people need to get the other side of the story than just their Press Releases.

:Graucho


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I don't see what the fuss is... I was sharing free video files (free player) on my free public BBS back in the 80's...

Wildcat was my first BBS software. Wow I just found my BBS on this site... http://bbslist.textfiles.com/407/

Anyway I posted prior art months ago... Here it is...
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The video player was GRASP: Originally created by Microtext Incorporated of Irvine, CA. It was bought in 1988 by Paul Mace software, where it is maintained today. Information on GRASP and GRASP Multimedia may be obtained directly from Paul Mace Software:

Paul Mace Software, Inc.
Attn: Steven Belsky
400 Williamson Way
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Voice: 503-488-2322
FAX: 503-488-1549
BBS: 503-482-7435
WWW: http://www.pmace.com/

I hope Acacia's stock falls to shit.

Losers.

I contacted Paul awhile back (i remember downloading GL files in the later 80's) and he has provided a non-porn GL file that was made available prior to 1990.



:thumbsup


Contribute to the search by checking at http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html for items that I am searching for...plus feel free to email me your finds, so i can post them as well.




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:1orglaugh cool... Damn I don't have ANY files from back then... Too bad.

We already had the Pandora stuff but it is good and exactly the quality of Prior Art that we are looking for. Brandon has an excellent list of the stuff that we are still seeking.