Thank you! It's good to hear that those poor people can finally stop living in fear and start to learn and grow. I know one day soon their children will be able to ride bikes in the streets and play with other children.


LOL.

Oh God, the ignorance. Who told you they couldn't ride bikes and play with other children? The only time Saddam killed them was when they went against his politics. You people are so vulnerable.

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It's painful. Sad...

BTW, ask your friend if he found any WMD ??? You know, those things that Powell said at the UN that he knew where they were... and that needed to be taken care of right now...


Now that was funny. I think it's pretty interesting how the Bush supporters completely forgot about the REAL reasons he gave to start this war in the first place.

War is not like a splinter in your toe, or taking it up the ass for the first time. War is War. Cot Darnit! War is terror. Just imagine you sitting in your house and every seconds you hear gun fire, not knowing when that shit is going to hit you.

So, if none of the reasons he gave turned out to be true, then why the HELL are some of you still supporting this idiot?

Letters from Iraq: LOL :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...ers-usat_x.htm

It is so pathetic the administration would stoop to the level of form mails to newspapers. Like they really thought nobody would catch it?

anti-bush:

It called patriotism, ignorance and the same mentality that supported Hitler. They are often not dumb, but bound up in this cloak of righteousness and "superiority", come from West Virginia and ain't got one clue as to what may have happened in the next state - nevermind a foreign (that means being one of "them") country..

Unfortunately there is a price for ignorance and "patriotism" - a deadly combination.

Bitch Shut The fuck up, stop yapping ur trap if you dont know what u are saying....fucking jealous of the states....ignorant bitch

In other words, I don't know what I'm talking about. I know nothing about life.
All I know is what I hear from Bill O'Reily and his ignorant propoganda spewing team.

And not even properly done!


In any civilized country ( other than the US ), people would be in the streets asking for the gov to resign.

Good golly Webby! Why did you give up your 4 star general position and then your government position?? You obviously have been well traveled here lately and sat in on meetings all over the World! Must be nice to have such options open! Yet you opt to run your yap on a webmaster board about things that you read and wouldn't know for sure about if it ran upside your head.

Adorno:

Some actually think this shit is true... even worse!!!

Yea.. add that bullshit onto the daily sessions of lies and deceit :winkwink:

Did you read the article? Quote where did it say anyone in the administration sent form mail to newspapers.

It called patriotism, ignorance and the same mentality that supported Hitler. They are often not dumb, but bound up in this cloak of righteousness and "superiority", come from West Virginia and ain't got one clue as to what may have happened in the next state - nevermind a foreign (that means being one of "them") country..

Yep, they are blinded by patriotism. It's also called cultural brainwashing.


I'd accept this type of ignorance from an under-developed country, but not no big huge developed country like America. I mean shit, put those books to use. Engage in some independent thinking and stay away from Fox News for a bit.

I guess Bush has to actually blow up the world for these peopel to realize that he's no good.

Gemini:

Good golly Gemini! That sure was witty!

Mmmm.. yea I seemed to be more "well traveled" than you :1orglaugh

All hate filled subjective opinions of a Webby that lives in some fantasy land called Webby World...just opinions...no more than that.

theKing:

Once again the parrot fashion defense.. "all hate".. "fantasy" blah...

King.. who hates ya?? Me?? Nope! Who hates the US? Me?? Nope.

Ya ain't got one clue!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

King... I'm off to exercise my freedoms.. ah.. sorry, that's something ya don't know about! :winkwink:

Peace out man!

So the soldiers all got together and attempted to pull off this scam of their own accord?

I know signing my name to letters written for me is an attractive proposition and I wish more people would bring this sort of idea to me. I am lazy, write some propaganda and let me sign it, pleeeease.

You are seriously going to try and tell me that this brain fart was not thought up by someone in the administration?

I do as I choose to do...and that is called feedom to me.

I suspect that it was thought up by a soldier...either Enlisted or Officer...as my friends in the military that I correspond with are not very happy with the portrayal by the media. By the way how is it a scam...if you agree with it?

theKing:

You do as your told, else there is some "felony" we can discuss - real freedom is when you ain't got all these laws, or a need for them.

Meanwhile.. I'm gonna conspire in "freedom" about shooting that fraudulent asshole without being watched - and dammit, I'm gonna express my opinion "freely" - just like most other civilised places :winkwink:

Gotta go! :thumbsup

You are good at telling bad jokes...and your denial of hate is a bad joke.

theKing:


Gee thanks! Your denial of the truth is far more problematic - least will be for you.

Off!

what the FUCK did Iraq have to do with terrorism?
How about spending 167 BILLION on finding that cock sucker Osama? you know.. they guy that actually had something to do with 9/11? christ.. Take out saudi arabia.. where the hijackers actually came from. That was the most ridiculous strawman deflecting reply I think i've seen here for a while.

besides wasn't it to liberate the poor iraqi people??? or is the reason still changing to suit the argument?

it was bush that sat on his hands when the threat was imminent.. it was under bush that the information network failed to protect america. Clinton sent tomahawks raining down on his camps.. which while ineffective and useless is still way more than what bush did. The intelligence reports showed the risk and the BUSH administration either ignored it or was too useless to pick up on it.

If Bush wasn't so deep into the Saudi Arabian royal families ass there might have actually been some real value for those dollars spent in Iraq... what do we have now? WMD that aren't contained and are out somewhere on the black market. Hooray.
And an Iraq that is quite possibly on the brink of an islamic revolution. Gee I feel safer.

Bush blew up the wrong sand ******s.

taking out saddam certainly isn't a bad thing depending on how it's done, but don't talk about terrorism and Iraq in the same breath when there are several other countries that actually are known harbourers of them.

I do not currently have anyone telling me what to do. In the case of laws...I usually choose to obey them...but sometimes I do choose to not obey the speed laws...and maybe a few others...but it is my choice.

Saddam openly supported terrorist orgs aligned against Israel...verbally...as well as financially...and the US declaration of war on terrorism...included terrorists orgs globally and those countries that support them.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... and vice versa.

1. as does Saudi Arabia.

2. Saddam giving money to suicide bombers's families is a publicity stunt. It's not like he's funding Hamas.

3. Who gives a fuck if he supports violent palestinians. The US government gave Saddam support when he was killing his OWN people - does this mean the US government should be disposed of?

4. Support of palestinian bombers is different to support of al quaeda. Israel is responsible and can take care of it's own issues. How many palestinian bombers were hijacking planes on 9/11? If any links at all show Saddam gave money to terrorists with international activities and not just publicity stunts for localised issues then yeah there was some merit taking him out on terrorist grounds.
I don't see Bush bombing terrosrist orgs in north Ireland. And I don't mean that in a bland blaise statement, just that the administration will only go after the terrorist orgs it wants to for whatever reasons it feels like making up.
I fear Hamas about as much as the IRA.. not one fucking Iota.. spend money getting at Al Qaeda, Jemiah Islamia etc etc. orgs with proven international scope to harm western countries. Going into Iraq because Saddam gave money to bombers families before taking out networks with proven records of anti-western action is reckless, irresponsible and frankly a waste of money and western blood.
it's like fighting a group of muggers and starting off with expending half your resources kicking the one in the wheelchair while the big one is coming up behind you.

Did you think that up all by yourself?

It's a good thing that Saddam is gone (depending on what replaces him and the repercussions) but if even ONE more attack happens on American soil while he was spending hundreds of billions on a country not even in the running for #1 threat and the attack comes from the Saudi's again or another more pressing threat then he deserves to be violently and humiliatingly removed from office.

Saddam openly supported terrorist orgs aligned against Israel...verbally...as well as financially...and the US declaration of war on terrorism...included terrorists orgs globally and those countries that support them.


1. The American government supported Saddam when he was gassing his own people.

2. Saddam was a U.S ally when he was at his worst in the 1980s.

3. The US trained and created Osama Bin Laden.

3. The US is training Latin American TERRORIST RIGHT NOW in Georgia!

And who supports terrorism?


Now, these are ALL facts we fail to accept.

The USA will go after whatever org or country...based upon many factors...that it deems to be viable...and will do so on its own time table. The reasons for taking Iraq are multiple...not the least of which (in my opinion) is strategic positioning...if we manage to stabalize Iraq (debatable) we are in a strategic position (in more than one way) to deal with the rest of the entire mideast...if need be...and I think it is probable that the need will arise.

The point is the word terrorist has very little real meaning. It has emotional and propaganda value, that is all. As far as much of the world is concerned, it is the USA that are the real terrorists.

Post your ages.......where you from......what is your primary source of information.......have ever been outside your own country......have you ever served in the military.......ever been in government.......or are you just talking out your ass about stuff you heard on the BBC!

I read a lot of these threads wondering why nobody ever qualifies themselves before the project a strong opinion, so please lemme know. Are you a well traveled 30 to 40 y/o who looks at issues from both sides of the fence or are you some 20 y/o sitting behind a computer all day that "actually thinks" they know all of what is going on in the world!

no offense, just curious

Saddam was never a U.S. ally. If every thing that all of the haters and bashers said were the factual truth...it is immaterial...as the US will continue to do...what it has always done...and that is...it will do what it percieves to be in its best interest...and if it makes mistakes (which I beleive that it has made mistakes)...so be it...and if there are unforseen...and/or unfornunate consequences...so be it. That is the way that it is and that is the way that it will be for the forseeable future...and the world will be forced to live with it. The US does not wear and has never worn a white hat...it is a gray hat at best.

Why don't you start?

The US has military bases in Saudi Arabia, and props up a regime with a very poor human rights record..

Israel another support state has an equally bad human rights record, and clearly has WMDs. Russia and China could probably come up with a reasonable enough argument to pre-emptively attack.

Sure I will start, although I have given no opinion at all.

39, retired military helo pilot, been to many third world countries. And I vote for isolationism here in the us

who needs the shit going on "over there"

And I suck at making money in the adult business :Graucho

then argue geo-strategic issues. not liberation, not anti terrorism.
For the record I believe it is for geo-strategic/economic reasons.

It is historical fact that the powerful...make the rules...and are free to define the terminology. If Germany had won the war it would have been American leaders/Generals tried for war crimes instead of German leaders/Generals. The United States is the most powerful country on the earth...and will remain so in the forseeable future...and the resentment is to be expected.

Use the search feature of the board...all of the info you want is there. I for one get tired of repeating the same info...to everyone that wanders onto the board.

Anti terrorism is a part of the equation...and for the record your belief is my belief and if you recall I stated that prior to the invasion. There is not...nor was there ever...a single reason or two or three reasons...but instead multiple reasons...for the invasion of Iraq...and the reasons do not bear equal importance.

I am satisfied that Russia...China and several other countries...could...but none of them are into committing suicide at this point.

I am not digging on anybody that is posting, the world is full of opinions and the "profile" states what you want it to state. If you want to argue points then you should be at least willing to qualify yourself. I for one get pissed when I see the hate USA post and am fairly conservative by nature although I voted for Al Gore for president, not because I thought he would be a good president but only becuase the writing was on the wall for at least 12 months prior that the economy was going to go to shit and I didn't want a republican to be blamed for our "over indulgence" of the '90s and I honestly didn't think Bush was that bright which may or may not be true.

Also, the countries may not like us, but they damn sure need us. Talking about the trade agreements, every country out there wants their ships pointed toward the US with their products on board. That my friends is a fact!!!

And you want your ships, filled with your goods, pointed at other countries. That my friend is also a fact. Without the rest of the world your economy is nothing.

OK.

I am 45...12 years with the 82nd Airborne...my career was ended in the 1st Gulf War...and I was medically discharged in '92...E-7...and I have been to a dozen...or more...countries.

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The King......I am on your side.......chill

Maybe you saw the GFY icon before I deleted it. I meant to put the :thumbsup for your service.