Surprises me it took this long...

tone down that 1500 X 600 banner - fucking irritating.:ak47:

Mutt

Your sig is just way too much. Tends to reduce your credibility.

Tone it down. Can't even read the posts with that flash blast going.

What is it you are trying to accomplish with that?

Sorry Mutt you act like you know everything about this subject & I thought you knew a lot but from what you just posted here you don't know as much as I thought you did. Your very mistaken about licences from these studios, its extra money in the bank for them, they licence their stuff to a bunch of companies including my business and I get emails from them asking if we'd like to Licence more of it. They know its being used all over the place and that seems to be fine with them. All of the movies from Deluxepass and most from AB will be licenced and they are often granted unlimited domain licences so whats the big deal??? You give out an unlimited domain licence, you have affliates hosting on your subdomains, they are promoting 1 product at the end of the day, they are not allowed to use it anywhere else just to promote 1 product AB or DP or whatever. The studio's i've dealt with are happy with unlimited domain licences or they wouldn't do it.

Not saying all of DP or AB stuff is legal, i've downloaded Anabolic discontinued Roughsex movies off DP sites 5 months ago, i've seen lots of unlicenced stuff on both, but DP seems to have licence to all there stuff now days. AB would be stupid to have that much money and not licence every bit of there content.

Ohhh.. so that's why they're suing, along with two other studios now, right? I get it!

The reason that most big porno companies won't license their movies as webcontent is because they feel they can't control it.
I know this for a fact because I produce movies for 5 different adult companies, only 3 of them made a deal with me allowing me to "distribute as internet content " movies they purchased "exclusive wholesale/retail video video rights for from me.
Which means I have the original tapes, releases, and ID's and makes me the legal owner, and producer of the material.
If you don't have original releases, you don't own it, and therefore cannot license it to someone else.
At least in the eyes of the bigger porno companies.They trade movies between themselves on a daily basis, and end up selling the same movie a dozen times by the time it's been re-edited, and the scenes shuffled like a deck of cards
The internet is a threat to them, the guy who buys porn no longer has to go to the neighborhood porno shop and pay $49 for a tape or DVD. All he needs to do is turn on his PC with CC in hand. So any deal made with them is suspect, even written ones.
ownership squashes all the bullshit. No documents= no ownership.

Bingo :)

AVN Article

CHATSWORTH, Calif. - Adult verification and content provider J.M. Productions is accusing AdultBouncer.com of distributing J.M. content without a license, and is asking AdultBouncer.com Webmasters and affiliates to cease and desist to avoid being named in an intended lawsuit.

J.M. Productions told AVN.com October 13 that the suit has yet to be filed because more legwork needs to be done, but an unnamed party brought to the company's attention that an AdultBouncer.com affiliate had shown some of J.M.'s adult movies, which the company said it has not licensed to show online.

The J.M. titles in question, are Assy 6, Gag Factor 5, The Violation of Aurora Snow, The Violation of Briana Banks, The Violation of Katie Gold, The Violation of Kiki Daire, and Perverted Stories 34-36.

"I'm fed up with these people stealing my content," J.M. owner Jeff Stewart said when reached for comment. "And I want to make an example out of them."

J.M.'s attorney, Al Gelbart, said when reached for comment that a formal cease-and-desist demand was sent to AdultBouncer.com, "but they haven't responded, so we will be filing the appropriate federal actions," Gelbart said. Neither was AdultBouncer.com available for comment when reached by AVN.com October 13.

But Gelbart also said J.M. is not looking to target or even punish AdultBouncer affiliates who showed the content without realizing it wasn't licensed for online showing or downloading. All the company wants in that regard, Gelbart said, was for any of those affiliates to come forward about the source of the material.

"I think (the word) has just gone out," Gelbart said, "so we haven't heard back from anybody just yet. But it would certainly make it easier if the affiliates would come forward and talk to us. If an affiliate is truthfully an innocent infringer, and they thought they were properly licensing this material and they take it down, it's not our intention of punishing an innocent infringer. But if they keep it up there and make it harder for us to find who the real sources of the problem are, we're going to look at them for contributory infringement."

Neither Stewart nor Gelbart could say precisely when the lawsuit would be filed in court.

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I guess the whole Web Legal thing is coming full circle.

Well reasoned and insightful dialogue are what make
bulletin boards so informative.

I wouldn't be sensing sarcasm here, would I? I mean, that would be wrong, wouldn't it? :)

Heaven forfend. I thought the poster made their feelings quite clear. Any uncertainty I may have over the niggling details obviously stem from my own lack of understanding.

Bleh I am completely Pro AB Bias, Ignore anything that I have to say as it has no real meaning ^^

Oh I'm certain.. Don't you know, I share your lack of facilities for understanding. Shall we languish in stupidity together? :)

Well you could always try thinking for yourself. All this blind faith is making you look like a Bush supporter! :P

Luckily I don't live in the U.S.A but it's not blind faith. It's educated faith... But then again I prefer to let the masses speak because a bunch of idiots will always seem to make more sense than the 1 telling the truth :Graucho

Educated faith is all well and good, as long as you do your research.. Standing up for AB is one thing, but as an affiliate, are you willing to risk that they are wrong in this matter? The way things stand so far, a court is NOT going to be in their favor, and that stands ALL their affiliates in VERY bad stead indeed.

Indeed I am, if I am wrong I would have to accept the consequences. However have you seen the contract? For that matter has anyone? All you have so far is J.M's side of the story and Rob has kindly said his part in the situation 0.o

You are another fucking moron. Only an idiot or a thief believes that because you offer free hosting to an affiliate on a domain you own listed on a web license that gives you the right to 'give it away as free content'.
Go check any web license including the one you have and contact an attorney.

Do you know how fucking stupid you sound? There's a reason there is a clause in every web content license covering this , because a cockholster like you given an inch will take a mile.

That license give you the right to use those movies on domains you own AND operate, you are forbidden to transfer those movies to a third party in return for ANY financial consideration including TRAFFIC - which is EXACTLY what you think you have a right to do.

Answer me this Junior - why do you think the other AVS systems,
the long respected ones don't offer the same deal with movie and photo content? Why doesn't AgeCheck and ProAdult license Paul Markham's and Matrix Contents's entire content library and give it away for FREE to any AVS webmaster they provide free webhosting for? WHY? GOT AN ANSWER? BECAUSE IT'S NOT LEGAL AND MARKHAM AND MATRIX WOULD BE DOWN THEIR THROAT BY THE END OF THE DAY!!!

Actually, we have more than just 'J.M's side of the story'; we have

Sweet Entertainment Group saying that AB's use of Fisting Lessons content violates their terms of service.

DBM, who has never, and does not now license the internet rights to any of their releases.

MultiMedia Verlag, who has never licensed internet rights to any of their releases.

And you can't really write off J.M's action since they've gone to the trouble and expense to investigate the issue and initiate legal proceedings.

On the other hand, we have Rob saying, (and I'm paraphrasing) 'well, we have special licenses we bought from a 3rd party and I'm not going to say who, and I'm not going to show them to you.'

Rob would gain a whole lot more sympathy with a little more information than he is getting with a story that's only a step above 'the dog ate my homework'.

As an affiliate, you have a right to view these supposed licenses. In fact, I think you have a duty to do so to mitigate the damages should any infringing material appear on your site.

Saying "On thus-and-such date, I requested a copy of the licenses, I received them, read them and believed them to be genuine." would be a lot better for you than your current stance of "I can't be bothered."

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Not saying all of DP or AB stuff is legal, i've downloaded Anabolic discontinued Roughsex movies off DP sites 5 months ago, i've seen lots of unlicenced stuff on both, but DP seems to have licence to all there stuff now days. AB would be stupid to have that much money and not licence every bit of there content.
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Not hard to find out, I believe WankerWang is back at Anabolic.
You're saying DeluxePass has a license to all Anabolic's stuff nowadays? I really really doubt it but we'll let Anabolic answer that.

Not only that, but it would be pretty stupid of JM to initiate legal proceedings based on maybes and conjecture. In order to consider the expensive legal process, one must have proof, or a lawyer would laugh in their faces. Obviously JM's legal counsel believes there is enough evidence to start legal proceedings, and if the fact that several other companies are following suit is to be taken into account, I would say they must be justified. I don't think a bunch of companies just got together had coffee somewhere and said "Hey, let's lynch mob Adultbouncer for the fun of it!". No, this is business, and the companies involved are protecting their business interests. I think anyone forced into the same position would do the same, and anyone who says they WOULDN'T is either a liar, or stupid.

Home to tons of porn video companies including the old schoolers like VCA and such...

It's not the fact that I cannot be bothered.
It's educated faith ^_^

hahaha. . . do you know what slander is? You can't do it on a board.

I like the "prove it" and "lucative"(sp) comments though.

Educated by what?

What facts do you have, what do you know that leads you
to this faith?

I seem to remember a free host a couple of years ago that had a nifty little tool that allowed webmasters to build limitless number of galleries using content they had licensed from several content providers - they believed because the content was hosted on their domain, one that was on a license, they had the right to let other webmasters 'borrow' it.

Turned out some of that content was Brad Shaw's .............. guess how long that gimmick lasted?

The reason this bullshit goes on and on is because the movie studios aren't Brad Shaw or Jeff Miller. They are for the most part naive and uneducated about how the adult Internet game is played and they have been abused on a grand scale.

Really... Then why do you think JM is taking the legal route? Shits and giggles? You figure all these companies who're going after AB for illegal use of their content are making it all up? heh. That's not educated, my dear, that's just plain stupid.

and this 'mystery content provider' the guy from Digital Sin is alluding to - riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight - as if any court would accept that a company like AdultBouncer who lives and breathes the business of movies, a sophsticated enough business entity to have a thorough knowledge of a complex business such as the adult Internet, very successful - would be so naive that they wouldn't have the resources or sense to make ONE little phonecall to Digital Sin to check whether the guy licensing movies out of a virtual trunk of a car had the legal right to do so.

even an attorney fresh out of law school would have a field day in cross-examination.

Exactly...

Indeed :thumbsup

Hey adultbouncer, go fuck yourself! you are ripping me off also, I'm with JM on this , Evil Angel has never licensed out our content, you can pull that shit on Red Light District all day long but not us.

Jules Jordan-Jules Jordan Video/Evil Angel

A.K.A, Jeff Mike, A.K.A. Jeff Steward from JM Productions, not mentioning his real name, is a back stabbing schmuck, deserves everyone to steal from him, even though we all know he is just looking for attention to sell more shit. Violent videos like Gag Factor are not movies it is sick trash. Whats wrong Mike, sales down because it is getting close to Christmas and not many buying porn, or is it you fucked over too many people and now they are nailing you back? Time will tell what is in store for JM, you'll see..... Good Luck with your Infringement bull..