LOL I never said it was legal. I just said what was probably happening.

HI,

I've been with adultbouncer for 3 yrs, I allways see 1 or 2 post about ab using illegal content which is total BS. They do not offer anything but licence vids and illegal hentai sites are taken down.

Also, as you can see there are 3 lawyers on this thread and they all have different answers (all wrong). As rob said, it is being worked out.

and to all you people who dis AB, sounds like you had AB sites and couldnt make any money and are disgruntaled.

jay
:BangBang:

:helpme

you guys know there is one very simple easy way to stop what's going on - require your affiliate webmasters to produce a license for what they upload.

You won't do that because if you did that you'd say goodbye to most of your affiliates. You more than any individual AB webmaster affiliate gain the most from the infringements.
Your entire operation is built on it - ask the people who know the most - the surfers who join AB and DP in droves.

you guys had a great idea, you beat the big boys to it but you did it dirty and ass raped hundreds of movie producers and it continues.

I'm amazed people aren't asked for proof of license and asked right from the beginning.. That's a HUGE blow to content providers/producers if a program is encouraging a system that actively allows content theft.. Because if they aren't actively preventing it, they might as well be putting a stamp of approval on it. I have no experience with Adultbouncer myself, but if what you say here is the case, Mutt, I'm absolutely appauled.

I personally reviewed your site, and e-mailed you that your content area was not loading. Since then I have not heard back from you. If you want, fix the problem and resubmit, I would love to have you a part of the AB team. You do great work.

If anyone else has problems in my area, you can contact me at [email protected] and I will jump on it. Approvals in my area are now taking less than 24 hours! And with the on line support we offer your problems are solved in a mater of moments!

Where is my money?

and now that AB and DP have become so successful there are people putting up clone systems. Here's one somebody sent me a few weeks ago http://www.janswebring.com

Free movie content for anybody wants to become an affiliate. Where do the movies come from? Did anybody give them the right to transfer any rights to other webmasters? No no no no.

I know how much these scenes which are given away cost to produce - $2,500-5,000 per scene. That is what it would cost if a web company came to me or any other producer who wanted high quality hardcore movie scenes and wanted to give them out to affiliates to promote whatever site.

A DVD typically has 5 scenes on it - $20,000-25,000 budget. Now what do you call it when a fucking webmaster licenses that movie for $175 and gives it away like candy to anybody who will send traffic? ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE!!!

it is insane what has gone on. and please don't call any of the owners of these DVD movies liars - NONE of them were aware of any of this. They put their movies out for license in good faith.

I'm sorry, thats moronic. If you are liscensing your content, what did you think the buyer was going to do with it. he needs to get the maximum return on his investment. He is not giving it out to new ppl for separate pay sites. he is letting ppl build sites for his archive. Its not their archive. AB owns the archive, the affiliate is only preparing a personal members/tour area to sell membershipsto the AB site more efficiently.

Ofcourse uploading illegal content is a different matter. However this is about the Liscensed content.

That one is nothing compared to

http://avexpress.adultbouncer.com/html/eng_index.htm

Adultbouncer when will you deal with these guys?

The provided US made DVD's are probably all legit. We are given the same stuff at DP. It's the stuff like hentaivids that is blatently stolen that is a big issue.

Unless it's EXCLUSIVE content, most companies WILL NOT ALLOW movie or any other content to be given to affiliates.. WHy? because it REDUCES THE VALUE OF THE CONTENT! Period. This is why MOST licenses will NOT allow for this type of usage, and generally anyone must pay MUCH MORE for these type of licenses simply FOR this reason. Apparently, you aren't a producer who makes a living from providing content. It would be like having a movie from the theatres, but having one person handing copies out for free to everyone who walks by on the streetcorner. The person who made that movie doesn't know this has happened, they don't realize that EVERYBODY has already seen his movie. Therefore, they aren't going to go rent it, are they? Why? Because it's OVEREXPOSED. Is the person who made that movie going to EVER make his investment back to make another movie after that point? No. Abusing the content system is NO good for ANYONE. You think licenses AUTOMATICALLY allow for use of content for affiliates? Better go check your licenses, because most licenses will SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT this use.

"What did you expect the buyer to do with it?" THAT statement is moronic. I expect a buyer to do EXACTLY what is laid out in the license with it, and if he wants more, he can damn well pay for it like all the OTHER honest users of content do.

YOU FUCKING COCK SMOKING THIEF! GET A FUCKING CLUE - NO SANE COPYRIGHT OWNER IS GOING TO ALLOW HIS VALUABLE CONTENT TO BE USED THAT WAY!

i'm sure you've never read a fucking web license in your life cuz you don't have two nickels to pay for one - IT'S EXACTLY THAT USAGE WHICH IS ADDRESSED IN A CLAUSE IN EVERY WEB LICENSE I HAVE EVER READ - to protect the content owner from exactly that CHARADE!

If AB or DP wants to GIVE AWAY content they can pay for the production of it like the hundreds of webmasters who do want to give affiliates free content to promote their sites.

AB and DP completely devalue the content they sub-license to cretons like you. Hell I have webmasters coming to me every week asking for price quotes on exclusive content because the DVD content they have PAID money for CAN'T convert because it's been so overexposed by the THOUSANDS of AB and DP webmasters like you who build these archives. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT - it is NOT ADULTBOUNCER WHO OPERATE THOSE ARCHIVES - NICE FUCKING TRY - NONE OF THE AFFILIATE WEBMASTERS ARE EMPLOYED BY AB OR DP. And NOT ONE of you affiliates can produce a license with YOUR NAME on it.

This is the biggest charade ever on the adult Net.

Yea, guess I'm not a producer. Then again, why would I buy content that my affiliates cannot use. How the hell are you supposed to promote a site otherwise?

Expect little fairies to come and give me signups?

I'm no genius here on the matter, I host websites, dont make them... but it seems to be that if you cannot use the content for promotion it sort of forces you to pirate it then... Hense moronic

You dumbasses were getting ripped off by blacks on blondes a long time ago.... This isn't news. Cable ripped you, anabolic, redlight and jules jordan off and made millions off you.

Welcome to the internet

No, it forces you to pay for the use you are making of it.. Using being too fucking cheap to pay as an excuse to steal doesn't make much business sense.. ESPECIALLY when you can be sued for up to $100,000 PER INSTANCE OF INFRINGEMENT.... and so can your affiliates.. If you are violating a content license, you are nullifying the license, and therefore violating copyright. I think you SERIOUSLY need to make some money and talk to a lawyer. You are going to end up on the wrong end of Bubba with an attitude like that.

Now people understand why we went to offering photo ids and releases with all our content over a year and a half ago, if you can't prove its legal then don't sell it and surely don't buy it.

It's companies like adultbouncer that ruin the biz, hope they rot in hell ;)

Sure do, had a few hundred of my images but got sued by others way before I could egt to them hehehe;)

LadyMischeif,

We license our content through a third party.

Mutt,

You're as cluelass as they get, have have been and still are clueless. Grow a brain.

We've had licensing issues twice and they were dealth with. If we were filled with unlicensed content and our large third party didn't take the liberty to take liablity in issues like this then then we wouldn't be here today right?

You = :helpme

Lastly, we wouldn't spend thousands of dollars for content if we knew it was unlicensed. Again, you = clueless.

AdultWebGraphics,

What designs are you talking about? Hit me on up AIM because I have to knowledge of we owing someone for designs. "Robrob25" is my aim alias.

The rules of public domain are not jsut abandon it but it has to 50 years after the detah of the creator and it has to be no longer copyrighted by anyone after the creators death, public domain would cover things such as old ass music or something but you pretty much hit it on the head with abandonment;)


good job!!!

As I stated in another post, always buy from those who provide photo ids and/or releasesas well include a title18 text file for record keeping info and a webmaster license agreement. If you do not egt these files with your purchased content then you the webmaster take chances on copyright infringement as well as in msot areas are in violation (except the 10th district) of CR 75 of the the Title 18 law (secondary producer law).

Paying more is true, but as Mutt put it not sure about $5000, we are currently in a deal with an affiliate program to license them several photo sets and video sets to give to their affiliates and we are only charging double the cost of non exclusive price, meaning if a video set sells for $11.25 then we offer it with resell rights for $22.50 but the catch is the affiliate program has to buy at least $300-$1000 worth to get the deal at a time:)

What a bunch of assholes! Come on our board and threaten us with lawsuits?

I don't know anything about AdultBouncer.com. My site has 100% original content that I've created so I have nothing to fear from you. But having some lawfirm come in here and threaten our community on our turf is not a good move. You will not rally support for your cause.

Good way to get what you want from us. I'm sure people will be lining up to help you and will always keep a warm place in their heart for their first impression of J.M. Productions. I know I wont!

Another misleading concept is the fact that some webmasters purchase legal adult content which is the first step in being legal with your site(s) and then never return a webmaster license agreement...BAD NEWS!!!

Not sure all webmasters know this but just because you purcahse it doesn't make you 100% legal until you return the agreement stating your agree to the terms of the license.

I have since 1997 sold hundreds of thousands of photo sets and video sets and have yet to see half of those webmasters return a license agreement.

The #1 misconception is that content producers and providers don't have the time to sit and find each and every website that infringes on agreements or not legally purcahsing the content, but the thing the webmaster doesn't know most likely is that content providers watch out for each others stuff, when a content producer is searching the web for infringing sites (with alot of new technology software that helps us to do alot faster and more accurately) we send out an email, make a phone call or an instant message to another producer or a few when we find their content on someoens site, then that producer can look at their records to ensure the site owner is properly licensed.

Just keep in mind that if you have purchased content and did not return the license agreement as you should, you just might end up in court one day paying infringement fines, because buying it is not the last step of the process of being legal:(

I've never heard of Adultbouncer. If the above is true and they do steal our hard earned content then they deserve to be put out of business, go bankrupt and goto jail.

I don't like waking up in the morning and seeing a letter from what I assume is an attorney, on the first post of a handle, saying take content down or you can be named in a lawsuit.

I think there are much better ways to inform webmasters of a situation then the way this thread was started. :2 cents:

If you are spending thousands of dollars on content, why would you not ASSURE that the content you are purchasing is legal in every way? I have NO PROBLEM when someone asks me who the producer is, and if they check with that producer to make sure I have permission to resell their work. Why? Because it proves MY legitimacy... And not only that, it's just good business sense.. Perhaps you should consider a better "third party" for next time, because you're obviously getting a bum deal with content that isn't legal right now, and like I've said before, IGNORANCE of that fact does NOT indemnify you in the court. You are still infringing copyrights and can still be sued. I'm not ACCUSING you, I'm just stating how the law looks at it.

And even old music etc can still be liable for copyright, if the relatives/decendants, next of kin did NOT abondon the copyright.. They might not even know they own it, but legally, they still do. It's not unheard of for someone to realize later on that they actually DO own copyright and go after people for it later on :)

I believe that's a press release, my dear. It's not a threat, I'm quite sure they fully intend to go through with their litigation, and they are fully within their legal rights to do so. Wouldn't you rather be informed, if you actually were affected, then to find out by a knock on the door and being notified by a court? Better safe than sorry.

Yep... and giving ACCURATE INFORMATION on a content license is JUST as important.. A content license, just like any other license or legal agreement, is a LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT. Just like signing a lease agreement, or a mortgage agreement. It's not just more red tape.

As for finding content, you would be amazed how many times I have customers reporting theft of content to me, and I know if I'm surfing and I find one of our content sets, I always make sure to cross-reference it with our license database to ensure that it's properly licensed... When in doubt, I don't hesitate to email the person and ask them where they got the set (as we broker for a few producers who broker elsewhere as well). It is ALWAYS better safe than sorry, and protecting my livlihood isn't just important for me, but for all content producers and the industry in general. Some people tend to forget that without content producers/providers and content, there IS no industry.

To add to this statement.. if you are NOT ensuring that the content you are buying is legal, it also casts doubt on the legality/legitimacy of any title 18 information associated with that content. You are leaving yourself a gaping wound the size of a barn there, from a legal standpoint.

I agree ... I'd rather be informed but not with such a rude letter as the one started with this thread. And why on a first time poster account? Isn't J.M. Productions part of our community? Can't they post under their own account?

I have nothing against them, and if the bad stuff being said here about AdultBouncer is true then I hope J.M. wins. But I don't like getting an adversarial message from a company I don't know. I also don't like seeing people being threatened in our community in such a matter. You would think they could go about getting what they want from AdultBouncer users in a more positive approach other than "J.M. is seeking to contact webmasters and affiliates of AdultBouncer.com who may have acquired J.M. content for use on their websites. By immediately removing any and all J.M content and by contacting J.M. to provide assistance in the ongoing investigation of AdultBouncer.com, webmasters may avoid being named in J.M.?s upcoming lawsuit against AdultBouncer.com and its principals."

They don't even tell these people that if the cooperate and remove material they WILL NOT be named in litigation.. they don't even give them that guarantee. They say MAY avoid.

Anyway.. nuff said.. I need coffee... go about your business folks :thumbsup

Apparently you haven't done much research on who JM productions are.. They aren't really in our "community'". I suggest you go check into that before you tell them off. And I'm sorry to say, but even from the statements Adultbouncer themselves are making, seems to me like JM has a legitimate claim. I don't see how their press release was rude at all.. It was to the point, and they are giving webmasters the opportunity to make good. Legally, they don't HAVE to do that at ALL. In fact, if they were going to be dicks about it, they would have just sued everyone indiscriminately, and they would win, too.

And as for the MAY, well, they are within their legal rights to claim damages for any and all profits made from their materials.. If an affiliate of Adultbouncer made a large amount of profit from their material, JM is FULLY WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS to seek damages against that webmaster. Period. It makes people unhappy. Litigation generally does that.

Another good point:)

LadyMischief I don't have to research a company to be offended by a notice they post on a board that I read!

I don't care what their "full legal rights are"!

My post was about the thread they started and what was said in the original post here. That's it!

It's unfortunate that your posts LadyMischief seem much more focused on the rights of the company suing, and not the great dilemma that the affiliates of Adultbouncer face. The time and effort they've put in that's possibly in jeopardy here.. their income. The families they support. Them being dragged into this and most likely not knowing they were doing something wrong.

Think about that LadyMischief instead of focusing on the rights of a corporation. I'm sure you feel Acacia is "FULLY WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS" .. if you don't then you're a hypocrite.

I told you I needed my coffee and you just had to sink your teeth in didn't you?:feels-hot

And what funds will JM use to sue Adultbouncer with? Will they spend 250k on a 18 month litigation? Some people here need a serious wakeup call.

There's 3 or 4 companies in the DVD market earning cash, the rest is ridiculous amateurs who don't have a clue about porn not to mention even the slightest business sense. Their margins aren't anywhere close to even the shittiest online porn operations. Adultbouncer alone probably nets more than all the crap US DVD/VHS production companies combined.

This thread reminds me the idiots here whining about spammers. Whiners sitting in their 25k trailer home complaining all day. Spammer sitting in their 5MM bahamas mansion laughing their ass off.

Shut the fuck up cockholster. Take your sliding scale of immorality someplace else. Spamming isn't STEALING. And your attitude is shared by AdultBouncer, DeluxePass and their progeny and affiliates and it is the attitude that will finally incite others besides JM Productions to take action. And they will get smarter and they will start going after the punk affiliates as well.

Acacia has no rights to shit, they are a bunch of dickheads who think they can run the industry into the ground or make millions off it when someone else was obvioisly doing this way before they bought someone elses patent and then waited 8 years or so to do anything about it.

Acacia can suck my saggy ass hairy balls and take a flying leap at my ass if they think they will ever get a god damn penny out of me, I will close down and file bankruptcy before that ever happens.

Just because the big companies with no balls decided to settle and leave it to the small companies to fight for them doesn't mean Acacia has a right to the sweat off my balls, fuck them and their mommas too...HEY ACACIA SUCK MY DICK FAGGOTS!!!!


Ok I am done ranting on acacia now, back to the normal thread folks:)

That's what you dumbass told us 18 months ago. Nothing has happend.

I guess all your whining to Dion hasn't shown any results huh?

May I ask why is it that expensive compared to amateur porn videos/dvds that cost less than $6,000 to produced for 3-4 scenes?

No, the Acacia situation is entirely different... Not only are they extortionists on a huge level, but they are suing for something that has much prior art, and a patent that is sketchy at best (and something they didn't even develop, which if I had my say, would give them NO claim to it). That's an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT sitauation from copyrights that are being dealt with here. Acacia are vultures who buy up patents with the sole purpose of pursing legal action and suing and profiting from those patents. Producing content is a whole other matter altogether. They may fall under the same laws, but that's like comparing apples and oranges.

If you were a content producer and someone, and their affiliates were profiting ILLEGALLY from your product, would you not seek legal recourse? I would, and I have. As an artist, and as someone who puts out money to produce content, why should I essentially allow my product to be given away for free? Something I spend my money on creating, and something I spend my time creating? Should I allow others to profit freely from my hard work, money, and effort? No... Content theft is theft, period. The affiliates in this case are victims, however unfortunate, but they are STILL LEGALLY LIABLE. I'm not sticking up for the company suing per se, I'm sticking up for my right as a content producer and provider to ask and recieve what is due for my work, and the same for ANYONE who produces content, takes pictures, makes a movie, draws anime or hentai, etc etc etc. It's all the same thing. I shoot mainstream photography as well, and I tell you, I HAVE sued people for using my images without legal rights to do so. Why? Because it's my LIVLIHOOD that's at stake. And if they can steal my picture and make money from it, what's to say they can't do the same for other things, or do the same to other people?

If the example of what's going on here is to become the norm, it would basically mean that I would go out, pay models, take the pictures and time to do that, post-produce, do the paperwork, pay legal fees to my lawyers etc etc etc and then just turn around and give those pictures or movies away freely to anyone who wants to use them to turn a buck. Is that what you'd like me to do? Because, essentially, that's what it boils down to. That doesn't make me a hypocrite in the least.

If affiliates of this program are in danger, they shouldn't be angry at JM, the should be angry at the company that placed them in a precarious legal position in the first place, because as far as I'm concerned, it's the PROGRAM'S responsibility to ensure that their content is 100% legal, and that they are using it within legal boundries. THEY are the ones putting their affiliates at risk by not doing so. Being angry at JM for excercising their legal right to sue for their work, time, and money is misdirected at best.

Apparently you aren't taking into consideration that a good legal case does NOT happen overnight, and in fact can take a year or more to prepare?

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you. The lure of $100,000 per image and loss of profits can be a mighty incentive.. Especially considering they would likely win.

A lot of people are gonna be pissed

PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!!


http://www.apic-adult.com/news/032300.htm

You blame em? :)

DBM and MMV have always retained internet, streaming and
PPV rights on all their material. You could not have negotiated it through a third party. I, and my distributor, have licensed a couple of hundred DBM, Videorama and MMV videos and DVDs for distribution in the United States, and those licenses have never included internet rights. The producers reserve them so that they can make their own PPV sites.

Further, the use of SEG's Fisting Lessons material plainly violates their terms of service, and I know you (AB) have already been contacted about this.

I've already alerted the licensing group at MultiMedia Verlag to your use of their Uromania and other titles.

Scott they make up stories and bullshit as they go along. I got tons of AB and DP webmasters months ago emailing me about 'special licenses' - of course I checked it out with the owners of the movies and no special license ever existed.
More fabrication.

AdultBouncer and DeluxePass have made millions of dollars off the backs of producers all over the world. It's up to the producers to fight back and take back what is rightfully theirs and clean things up for everybody involved in the movie biz on the Net and off it.

Welcome to GFY, Scott.

One word, owtch! :)

Exactly... If we don't fight for our rights as producers, nobody's going to do it for us.

"If you were a content producer and someone"

I am a content producer and am glad you're shifting your focus to the victims of this situation instead of the rights of a company to sue.

Nice way to edge out of the Acacia issue without mentioning your stance on their legal rights... which is what I referenced in my post to you :winkwink: I'll let you slide this time :thumbsup

I think I made quite clear how I feel on Acacia. In the eyes of the law, for as long as they hold their patent, they are legally entitled to sue based on present copyright law. However I feel the legality of their patent is sketchy as best, and this will be proven in time. Their methods are certainly less than savory.

As for the producers in this situation, they DEFINITELY ARE the proper owners of the materials, and the y have put their work and money into it. That is not in question, is it? My focus always WAS on the victims, but what makes the producer any LESS of a victim in this scenario? What, because it's a company, they shouldn't be bothered by the illegal use of their content? They are just as much the victims. Exercising their right to end the "victimization" is just what anyone would do in their position. Should they just forget about it and let anyone who wants to use their content however they feel they should? Would YOU allow that!? Get REAL!

Sure, I feel bad for the affiliates in the situation, but you know what? I made what I feel on THAT pretty clear too. They shouldn't be angry at JM for doing what anyone in JM's position would do. Especially considering JM MADE consideration for them and gave them the opportunity to contact them personally. I think that's a damn fine move on their part. I would, however, be VERY angry at the company I put my trust in in the first place.. the one profiting not only from illegal material, but from my hard work. If someone had put ME in that kind of legal jeopardy, when I placed my professional and personal trust in them, THAT person/entity/company would be in my shit list in a LARGE WAY.

Rob - Could this be the SAME content supplier that said you were allowed to use New Sensations / Digital Sin titles last year that we ended up battling over for months????? I have a feeling we both know who this said content supplier is and how out of line he turned out to be...

Maybe its time for a new content supplier man :2 cents:

Not trying to stir up shit up here fellow GFY'rs so put the popcorn away - Me and Rob have worked things out and this is in the past :thumbsup - just feels a little like...... >>>>>>>>

dé·jà vu -
1 a : the illusion of remembering scenes and events when experienced for the first time b : a feeling that one has seen or heard something before
2 : something overly or unpleasantly familiar


Sean Holland
VP - New Sensations / Digital Sin