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Oracle Porn · 10-12-2003, 08:11 AM

Are you together or....?

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Are you together or....?

We are separate entities..

IMPA is an association for the Adult Industry that looks after many issues affecting webmasters, patents being one of them.

Fight The Patent Foundation ("FTPF")will be a non-profit (501c3) organization whose charter is to fight against patent abuse cases by petitioning the USPTO to review patent cases in light of prior art, and to assist defendants in litigation with prior art evidence and expert witnesses that extends the work started at FightThePatent.com

FightThePatent.com is my personal crusade to bring awareness and search for prior art. I have provided my prior art finds to IMPA. They are greatly appreciative of my efforts, and I have made contributions to the defendants case with the information that I have provided.

The Defense Fund is a pooling of resources by the defendants to pay for attorney and court expenses. This is where the money needs to go from some of the larger players to help them with the direct costs of fighting the fight.

IMPA and FTPF are indirectly fighting the fight...it's the defendants that are on the frontlines.

IMPA and FTPF are on the same side and have synergies between the two... each has a very different way of addressing the issues, that's what makes them different.

While we are on the same side, we are competing for webmaster's $$$. I am seeking pledges to start FTPF, while IMPA seeks donations to further its efforts that include more than just patent issues.

If the webmaster community doesn't support FTPF, an organization whose charter is to help protect all webmaster's right to do business against the onslaught of patent infringement cases, by the pledge and eventual donation once reaching the pledge goal of $250,000, then the Foundation and the whole altruistic way of getting expert witnesses to 'pay it forward' and help provide prior art and expert testimony, will not started. (how's that for one long sentence).

Fight the Patent!

Far-L · 10-12-2003, 09:26 AM

Brandon pretty much sums it up, but for the record, we are very appreciative of his efforts and he has worked hard on our behalf.

There are similar motivations, and mutual purposes, and we work together in a supportive fashion.

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 09:38 AM

Another point:

Once/If the pledge goal is raised, i will be seeking additional contributions and donations from mainstream...to get companies like Apple, M$, Real, Sony, Yahoo, AOL, etc involved where they may not be directly under the scope of patent infringement litigation.

I look to greatly expand FTPF's warchest beyond the starting $250,000 pledge drive, to get a greater amount from mainstream tech companies to assist in the vision and execution of the charter.

I won't be needing to come back and ask for another pledge/donation from the Adult Industry.

This Pledge Drive is a one-time event that helps start the formation of the Foundation.

IMPA is formed as an association which currently doesn't have a membership or dues structure, but I am sure in the future, it will be much like Free Speech Coalition and Internet Freedom Association, to collect dues so that the Association will be able to provide assistance to their members, and all the other stuff that Associations do.

FTPF has pledged support for IMPA, because it is an association that is looking out for all auult webmaster related issues by contributing a portion of the donations (once the pledge drive goal as been reached.)

Fight the Patent!

emmanuelle · 10-12-2003, 09:49 AM

I'm wondering why you don't team up with the IMPA as a branch arm? It just seems counterproductive to spread the resources across 2 related fronts.
For this very same reason I do not support the IFA. I feel that even their existance helps to diminish the efforts of the FSC.

"Geese fly 75% faster in formation."

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
I'm wondering why you don't team up with the IMPA as a branch arm? It just seems counterproductive to spread the resources across 2 related fronts.

FSC has expressed statements to IMPA and FTP, that IMPA should be under FSC, and that FTP should be under FSC, and also the idea, as you pointed out about FTP being under IMPA (did i lose anyone yet?)

As I explained to both FSC and IMPA, the reason that FTPD cannot be under either one is the stigma that is attached to adult organizations.

FTPF is looking to get mainstream donations and have high visible internet/tech leaders be on the Board of Directors to further inspire people to want to help fight against patent abuse cases with the 'pay it forward' model (http://www.FightThePatent.com/go) .

WIth my work with ASACP, i have seen how other mainstream organizations do have issues, that despite all the good work that ASACP does to fight against CP, they still see that "adult" word in the association.

FSC has seen similar issues when talking to mainstream.

I see patent abuse cases affecting all websites, whether they be adult or mainstream. FTPF is not an adult-specific organization like ASACP, IMPA, FSC, and IFA. These are the "heroes" of the adult industry that are looking out for adult-specific issues.

FTPF has taken the strategy to get its start from the adult industry and then moving onto mainstream... afterall, alot of the prior art experts and evidence exists in mainstream and all new technology finds its way to adult first.

Some have said to me that FTPF might also carry its stigma with getting adult dollars to start the Foundation.

That may be true, and there may also be stigma attached for anyone who does a search on me, they will find my connections to the adult industry clearly googlized with my work as the CTO of ASACP.

I don't deny the connection and I also don't feel it will be a hinderance for the vision and execution of the charter.

The first hurdle I need to face is to even get the $250,000 pledge goal..... so many people say that it won't happen, not to be mean or negative, they are just expressing their realistic viewpoints.

I already knew the hurdles involved and despite knowing how tough it is to get webmasters to part $$ from their wallets to support causes like ASACP, i still have moved forward with the optimism that this can be accomplished.

yes, it is quite ambitious to think that 2,500 webmasters would pledge $100 each. If/When this happens, it will truly be monumental.. if it fails, well it won't be too disappointing to others since the expections are pretty low.

I like the challenge, I am passionate about these issues, and I am idealistic to think that webmasters will unite.

[play button pressed to start inspiring sounding music]

Help prove patent abuse cases wrong that webmasters won't roll over, [volume increases] help prove to the naysayers that webmasters will unite to contribute to FTPF, [fireworks start to launch overhead] help prove to yourself that individuals can make a difference.

Fight the Patent!

Far-L · 10-12-2003, 11:33 AM

Brandon: There is a fee structure for IMPA. The info is available on the IMPA site. The IMPA is also a non profit organization.

Emmanuelle: We are not geese. Brandon is focused on a very specific charter to collect Prior Art for patent research. The IMPA is a watch dog association to protect business. We have some similar interests to FSC and to FTP, but we are looking at business issues, like patents, copyrights, security, etc, not Free Speech issues and not only patents.

goBigtime · 10-12-2003, 11:46 AM

For some reason the this/the thing makes me cringe all the time... my brain has to do a double-take :P

Talking about - FightThisPatent chat name for FightThePatent.com website.

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime

Talking about - FightThisPatent chat name for FightThePatent.com website.

ya, originally the website was called Fight This Patent . com and i signed up on GFY as FightThisPatent.. then i felt that Fight The Patent.com was a better domain name, and didn't want to signup with another username.

FightThisPatent.com does point to FightThePatent.com so either one will work.

Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Far-L
Brandon: There is a fee structure for IMPA. The info is available on the IMPA site. The IMPA is also a non profit organization.

The IMPAI.org website is still down so i couldn't make reference to it earlier or now.

If there is a fee structure to joining the association, why are people donating to IMPA, rather than signing up to be members?

If a person has contributed, wouldn't they have to pay more money towards the membership due in addition to their donation, or maybe get a credit towards their membership due based on what they donated?

FTPF's Pledge Drive includes donating a percentage of the gross to IMPA in addition to joining as a member.

Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
"Geese fly 75% faster in formation."

Geese also blindly follow the leader, and if the leader is sick and goes off track, so does the flock.

Rest assured, my goals and ambitions are very healthy, and not asking anyone to follow blindy when they show their support for Fight the Patent Foundation.

Got some emails from some lawyers that want to help fight the fight, along with many more emails from webmasters rooting me and the movement onward....

Spread the word to your fellow webmasters... have them read both http://www.FightThePatent.com and http://www.IMPAI.org to learn more about these very troubling issues.

And lastly, show your support to both of these organizations...

Fight the Patent Foundation ("FTPF") is asking for a one-time donation of 2,500 webmasters pledging $100.

IMPAI is accepting donations to help it further its efforts as well as a membership structure to become card-carrying-members.

And lastly, if you have a little bit deeper pockets, there is a Defense Fund that all the defendants in the Acacia lawsuits have pooled together their money to pay for attorneys and court expenses.... the Defense Fund is what pays for the attorneys to go into court to face the battle.

Email spike -at- homegrownvideo.com if you are able to give a larger contribution to those that are truly on the front lines of this fight.

Fight the Patent!

Suckitbitch · 10-12-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Another point:

Once/If the pledge goal is raised, i will be seeking additional contributions and donations from mainstream...to get companies like Apple, M$, Real, Sony, Yahoo, AOL, etc involved where they may not be directly under the scope of patent infringement litigation.

Well, surely you realize that these companies have literally thousands of patents (ie, IBM = 10,000 patents) themselves?

Financing an organization devoted to fighting and invalidating patents isn't exactly in their best interest.

Unless of course you come up with a waiver or agreement to not get involved in finding prior art for your donating member's patents.

Far-L · 10-12-2003, 08:00 PM

My bad... I get to the site, but you are right those links are down. I apologize and thanks for pointing it out.

IMPA Site

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Suckitbitch

Well, surely you realize that these companies have literally thousands of patents (ie, IBM = 10,000 patents) themselves?

Financing an organization devoted to fighting and invalidating patents isn't exactly in their best interest.

I don't agree with your point.. there are many companies that have patents, ones that I would certainly target to support FTPF.

Patents are only bad when prior art can be found and the patent holder has chosen to broadly interpret their patent to mean more than it really is.....

FTPF is not anti-patent...... Any company that has patents that have good patents, have nothing to fear and every reason to support FTPF, because they could themselves be the target of a patent abuse case.

Almost every tech/internet company has patents these days (it;s what makes the investors happy). And I hope that a good majority are truly novel and unique patents that deserve to have the protection that Patent Law gives them.

Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent · 10-12-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Suckitbitch

Unless of course you come up with a waiver or agreement to not get involved in finding prior art for your donating member's patents.

That won't be the case.... there will be an Advisory Board made up of credentialed individuals who has a group will vote to decide which cases to become involved.

There will be a set of criteria to follow for the decision to be made, some of which I have some preliminary ideas.

Patent holders should not be afraid of prior art scrutiny.....

Fight the Patent!

10-12-2003, 08:11 AM	#1
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	Impai & fightthepatent Are you together or....? __________________

10-12-2003, 09:26 AM	#3
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Brandon pretty much sums it up, but for the record, we are very appreciative of his efforts and he has worked hard on our behalf. There are similar motivations, and mutual purposes, and we work together in a supportive fashion. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

10-12-2003, 09:38 AM	#4
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	Another point: Once/If the pledge goal is raised, i will be seeking additional contributions and donations from mainstream...to get companies like Apple, M$, Real, Sony, Yahoo, AOL, etc involved where they may not be directly under the scope of patent infringement litigation. I look to greatly expand FTPF's warchest beyond the starting $250,000 pledge drive, to get a greater amount from mainstream tech companies to assist in the vision and execution of the charter. I won't be needing to come back and ask for another pledge/donation from the Adult Industry. This Pledge Drive is a one-time event that helps start the formation of the Foundation. IMPA is formed as an association which currently doesn't have a membership or dues structure, but I am sure in the future, it will be much like Free Speech Coalition and Internet Freedom Association, to collect dues so that the Association will be able to provide assistance to their members, and all the other stuff that Associations do. FTPF has pledged support for IMPA, because it is an association that is looking out for all auult webmaster related issues by contributing a portion of the donations (once the pledge drive goal as been reached.) Fight the Patent! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957

10-12-2003, 11:33 AM	#7
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Brandon: There is a fee structure for IMPA. The info is available on the IMPA site. The IMPA is also a non profit organization. Emmanuelle: We are not geese. Brandon is focused on a very specific charter to collect Prior Art for patent research. The IMPA is a watch dog association to protect business. We have some similar interests to FSC and to FTP, but we are looking at business issues, like patents, copyrights, security, etc, not Free Speech issues and not only patents. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

10-12-2003, 08:00 PM	#13
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	My bad... I get to the site, but you are right those links are down. I apologize and thanks for pointing it out. IMPA Site __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn." Last edited by Far-L; 10-12-2003 at 08:03 PM..

10-12-2003, 09:49 AM	#5
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	I'm wondering why you don't team up with the IMPA as a branch arm? It just seems counterproductive to spread the resources across 2 related fronts. For this very same reason I do not support the IFA. I feel that even their existance helps to diminish the efforts of the FSC. "Geese fly 75% faster in formation."

10-12-2003, 11:46 AM	#8
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	For some reason the this/the thing makes me cringe all the time... my brain has to do a double-take :P Talking about - FightThisPatent chat name for FightThePatent.com website.