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Theo 10-09-2003 01:33 PM

if you dont like it filter the traffic with a script and send it to your own dialer,tgp,toplist,other paysite etc.

This is by far NOT shaving. It's their sponsor, their rules.


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grogan 10-09-2003 01:35 PM

uhh, most per signup programs take the foriegn traffic....

Strife 10-09-2003 01:36 PM

redirect your foreign traffic elsewhere...problem solved...next

Rick Latona 10-09-2003 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Strife
redirect your foreign traffic elsewhere...problem solved...next
No kidding. I have to agree with Orgasm here. Most sponsors redirect foreign traffic. As a webmaster you should be directing foreign traffic to foreign sponsors and U.S. traffic to U.S. sponsors. The burden is on you my friend.

Even if a sponsor has dialers as a payment method rather than redirection you are still better off sending Germans to German tours. If Orgasm doesn't have German tours you shouldn't be using them for your German traffic. But that doesn't mean they aren't doing well with you U.S. traffic.

DrGuile 10-09-2003 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Penthouse_mike
1 day free trial:

"I acknowledge that I will be charged a $2.68 processing fee for all approved transactions."


Crooks.


Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'




personally, we give 80% of the dialer money we make back to the affiliate that sent the traffic.
We also dont send many countries to dialers.

american pervert 10-09-2003 01:51 PM

orgasm has always converted very well for me and they always pay out, and marina is great to work with!

oh and btw....france sucks

grogan 10-09-2003 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Strife
redirect your foreign traffic elsewhere...problem solved...next
exactly, that's what I do....


he probably doesnt know how, he'd rather bitch on gfy than take the 2 minutes and 200 bucks worth of scripting to do it.

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn


the one in my sig doesnt!

Dude, I almost died laughing at that :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Furious_Male 10-09-2003 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn


the one in my sig doesnt!

TCG doesnt share in the dialer revenue though. Many do. Flash cash for example.

justsexxx 10-09-2003 02:03 PM

Of course orgasmecash converts well since they only count snorth american traffic, right?

Anyway, over the redirecting of foreign traffic, I'm almost sure it is somewhere in their terms....That's a thing you have choosen for with PPS...Same with exits...I really don't understand how ppl can complain about exits on a PPS...

Andre

doober 10-09-2003 02:05 PM

fidy foreign redirects!

:thumbsup

harvey 10-09-2003 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt


Dude, I almost died laughing at that :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you are mean :(

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:05 PM

All PPS programs shave, ALL OF THEM. Don't spam your program saying you don't shave cause you will just look like a fool.

Sly_RJ 10-09-2003 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
All PPS programs shave, ALL OF THEM. Don't spam your program saying you don't shave cause you will just look like a fool.
So do recurring programs. What's your point?

Want to avoid shaving? Start your own site. It's the only way.

stocktrader23 10-09-2003 02:09 PM

I would imagine they convert extremely well since only American traffic is counted as a unique. Or is this incorrect?

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

So do recurring programs. What's your point?

Want to avoid shaving? Start your own site. It's the only way.

I'm sorry but not all partnership programs shave. I have seen a couple in my time, but the majority of them have no reason to shave. It's simple. Partnership programs don't have to come up with the money to pay you $35 for a trial membership that's going to cancel anyways.

Ps: With any PPS program, your traffic is being weighed. Depending on the productivity and quality of your traffic determines how many signups you will actually get credit for.

harvey 10-09-2003 02:11 PM

mmm... it says in their TOS that they only accept North American traffic, so it's not shaving to my eyes. Now, that they play with the fact that 99.99% of webmasters doesn't notice that and th edialer thingy makes them shitloads of money and you're giving them the traffic for free, that's a different story, but you cannot come saying they're shaving without any proof. After all, wether their TOS are tricky or not, it's clearly stated that they only accept North American (which, btw, means Canada and Mexico) traffic. And posting something like what you posted makes you look a little dumb, huh? :winkwink:

Sly_RJ 10-09-2003 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JSA Matt


I'm sorry but not all partnership programs shave. I have seen a couple in my time, but the majority of them have no reason to shave. It's simple. Partnership programs don't have to come up with the money to pay you $35 for a trial membership that's going to cancel anyways.

Sure they do sweetie.

Upsells in the members section? Cross-sells on the join form? Exit or entrance consoles? Free newsletter box?

I haven't seen many recurring sites without at least 2 of the above. That's shaving. Making money off of my traffic without paying me for it is shaving. PPS pays for traffic period.

PPS owns.

Trax 10-09-2003 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by harvey
mmm... it says in their TOS that they only accept North American traffic, so it's not shaving to my eyes. Now, that they play with the fact that 99.99% of webmasters doesn't notice that and th edialer thingy makes them shitloads of money and you're giving them the traffic for free, that's a different story, but you cannot come saying they're shaving without any proof. After all, wether their TOS are tricky or not, it's clearly stated that they only accept North American (which, btw, means Canada and Mexico) traffic. And posting something like what you posted makes you look a little dumb, huh? :winkwink:
indeed
nobody forces anyone to use them

orgasmcash is solid
have been at their place in toronto 2 months ago
fucking nice crew
fucking solid company

TRAX approved :winkwink:

roly 10-09-2003 02:17 PM

it's hardly surprising sponsors shave when the general comment from just about everyone is "well all sponsors shave". What sponsor wouldn't shave if he see's it's accepted by everyone. I'm not naive, i know they all do it, but the public acceptance of it by pretty much everyone, will surely just make them turn up the shavometer even more. when it should be attacked for what it is, fraud.

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Want to avoid shaving? Start your own site. It's the only way.
It's just that simple. :thumbsup

Most of you people wouldn't believe the amount of money that can be made from your own paysite vs some programs sites.

Trax 10-09-2003 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Upsells in the members section? Cross-sells on the join form? Exit or entrance consoles? Free newsletter box?

I haven't seen many recurring sites without at least 2 of the above. That's shaving. Making money off of my traffic without paying me for it is shaving. PPS pays for traffic period.

PPS owns.

sorry dude
but i think thats pure BS

shaving exists up to the moment where the surfer joined the site (i agree)
shaving (in my mind) means, not being payed for a proper signup!
as soon as the surfer signed up he is no longer your problem...
you got paid for him to join - thats it
if anyone earns cash on him in the members area is non of your business!
:2 cents:

Sly_RJ 10-09-2003 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt


It's just that simple. :thumbsup

Most of you people wouldn't believe the amount of money that can be made from your own paysite vs some programs sites.

Newsletters, type-ins, bookmarks, canceled members returning.

Simple math to me!

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Sure they do sweetie.

Upsells in the members section? Cross-sells on the join form? Exit or entrance consoles? Free newsletter box?

I haven't seen many recurring sites without at least 2 of the above. That's shaving. Making money off of my traffic without paying me for it is shaving. PPS pays for traffic period.

PPS owns.

After the inital sale the surfer is no longer yours. Upsells in the members section is a way to maximize profits and is none of your concern. What kind of FOOL would pay you for upsells in their members area?

Since when do free newsletter boxes make money?

Most programs do give credit for consoles.

As far as cross sales, i've seen some programs that give credit for them, but I wouldn't. That's just bad business.

Johny Traffic 10-09-2003 02:23 PM

well done orgasm cash, Ive just removed all your links... By the way not all programs shave!

Sly_RJ 10-09-2003 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt


After the inital sale the surfer is no longer yours. Upsells in the members section is a way to maximize profits and is none of your concern. What kind of FOOL would pay you for upsells in their members area?

Since when do free newsletter boxes make money?

Most programs do give credit for consoles.

As far as cross sales, i've seen some programs that give credit for them, but I wouldn't. That's just bad business.

Ahaha. Ok.

You're right. Free newsletter boxes NEVER make money. Ok.

PPS programs pay for upsells. That's another reason they can AFFORD to do PPS.

Tipsy 10-09-2003 02:25 PM

What a stupid thread. Getting no credit from non-US traffic is crazy but hardly shaving is it's clearly stated in the TOS. Just use a different sponsor. If you're going to chuck BS accusations around about someone at least make sure they are accurate.

Fucking daft thing to do though. UK alone makes up for 25% of joins on my gay site. I'm buggered if I'll waste any of that sending it straight to a dialler. Of course having a dialler as an option or using it on exit or after a decline is a different thing entirely...

Theo 10-09-2003 02:31 PM

conclusion from this thread














Tipsy runs gay site :Graucho

Johny Traffic 10-09-2003 02:33 PM

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What a stupid thread. Getting no credit from non-US traffic is crazy but hardly shaving is it's clearly stated in the TOS
your wrong Its shaving. Fuck their TOC's what ever way you look at it its shaving, I wouldnt do it. Would you if someone signed up to your program?

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ahaha. Ok.

You're right. Free newsletter boxes NEVER make money. Ok.

PPS programs pay for upsells. That's another reason they can AFFORD to do PPS.

Bleh.. mom should have swallowed :glugglug

4Pics 10-09-2003 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ahaha. Ok.

You're right. Free newsletter boxes NEVER make money. Ok.

PPS programs pay for upsells. That's another reason they can AFFORD to do PPS.

You forgot to say because they use ccbill/ibill/epoch/jettis for tracking they can't shave.

LOL

gin 10-09-2003 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
All PPS programs shave, ALL OF THEM. Don't spam your program saying you don't shave cause you will just look like a fool.
NOT TRUE . i have never ever shaved. most of my affiliiates i give them access straight to the epoch login to make sure there isn't a small error and for some reason my script doesn't track it. won't tell you what program i run.. but i'd suggest trying out alot of smaller programs. most of them are honest. pay a little lower from the outside looking in. but from no shave and credit for all exit sales at 30$ a sale even 25$ a sale you will make more then any of the other sites. that is a guarantee.. plus who would you rather work with.. some one mailing your traffic 5 - 10 times per day. slamming them with upsells. robbing them with cross sales.. stealing foreign traffic. no credit for checks. no credit for popups. I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS. but everybody seems to go by this "the bigger the program the more i will make" when ever i send traffic to any of the "big "affiliate programs i almost laugh at how they shave so bad, point to this is.. try alot of affiliate programs. you'll find the 1 out of 100 program that doesn't shave and is honest.. if anybody wants to try my shit.. you can call me out anytime.. to login straight to epoch and check the stats.. if they don't match up after pay period.. i will pay 10k to that affiliate. anytime of the day 24/7 .. just my thoughts..

Johny Traffic 10-09-2003 02:46 PM

Quote:

All PPS programs shave, ALL OF THEM. Don't spam your program saying you don't shave cause you will just look like a fool.
Crap, Ive never shaved and know 100's of others who wouldnt, most of us wouldnt know how to with CCBill

PeerPatrick 10-09-2003 02:49 PM

I too have been sending to Orgasm and have always had great conversions, always paid on time. Plus they have those funny accents that remind me of the Pink Panther movies. I love those guys man!

Mike AI 10-09-2003 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Just look at their join pages, nuf said.
Isn't orgasm cash same people as python? They must have 20 different front ends and names... Wonder why they keep changing? Are they hiding? If so, from who? Surfers? Webmasters?

vicki 10-09-2003 02:50 PM

All you had to do was look at this one page
http://www.sponsorspecs.com/main.php
and you could see which sponsors pay on ALL joins!

sheesh when are you guys gonna make this easy on yourselves ... I've done all the investigating FOR YOU ;)

Tipsy 10-09-2003 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic


your wrong Its shaving. Fuck their TOC's what ever way you look at it its shaving, I wouldnt do it. Would you if someone signed up to your program?

No I'm not wrong. It's clearly stated in the TOS an part of doing business with them. If you want to take it to the Nth degree then like SLY says every program shaves. However for most people shaving is stealing joins/money without informing you. These people do not do that. It may be a stupid thing to do but theat does not make it shaving.

They state they keep foreign traffic so the obvious answer is don't use them. There's plenty out there that don't do that.

Dawgy 10-09-2003 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sokkar
So I have the european traffic and dialer in my ass
does that itch?

gin 10-09-2003 02:53 PM

fact is. these bigger programs pay people to say good stuff about their programs. they will pay people to post with their affiliate program in their profile. will pay people to bump their threads. will pay 17,000$ to refer more people to the program so you are trying to get more and more for something you have a 99.9999% chance of winning. you all need to open your fucking eyes :2 cents:

JSA Matt 10-09-2003 02:53 PM

Good deal gin. I know all about the smaller programs and they were always the way to go. Hell, I made a fortune off BlacksOnBlondes a couple years ago and now i'm working for the best and most honest people I have ever met.

Ok, i'll retract my statement. All PPS programs that do their own tracking shave :) Not going to name any names but I have seen and built scripts for this purpose.


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