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eroswebmaster · 10-07-2003, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

What do you mean it doesn't take much? It does take A LOT for the government of the United States to just take away everybody's stuff. You do realize that we're not in North Korea, correct? Where have you been living or ARE currently living now?

Dude, are you seriously this dense?

Are you having that much difficulty following the thread? And of course I'm assuming you're having the same problem with the news.

ThunderBalls · 10-07-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

So you honestly think, in your right mind, that the United States is going to go out and setup gas chambers to kill mass Americans soon? Please entertain us and tell us what is RELEVANCE is of what you posted?

Nice twist. Germany didnt kill Germans, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your 9th grade history class hasnt covered the Holocaust yet.

eroswebmaster · 10-07-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Nice twist. Germany didnt kill Germans, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your 9th grade history class hasnt covered the Holocaust yet.

No shit...apparently he's not aware that Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus during the civil war.

Apparently he's never heard of Japanese Internment camps, or Sen. McCarthy either.

BigFish · 10-07-2003, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Dude, are you seriously this dense?

Are you having that much difficulty following the thread? And of course I'm assuming you're having the same problem with the news.

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

edit: oh wait. The "news".? No wonder you're all wacked out about conspiracy theories and how the United States is out to conquer all its citizens.

eroswebmaster · 10-07-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

A good dilligent citizen who is actually interested in freedom should always be aware of his government's actions.

eroswebmaster · 10-07-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

edit: oh wait. The "news".? No wonder you're all wacked out about conspiracie theories and how the United States is out to conquer all its citizens.

See you're like the guys during the McCarthy hearings who thought they were the good citizens by naming names...when the actual good citizens were those who lost their jobs, homes, families, lives because they would not name names....even if they knew the person was a card carrying communist.

Adorno · 10-07-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

edit: oh wait. The "news".? No wonder you're all wacked out about conspiracy theories and how the United States is out to conquer all its citizens.

ahhh yes, the sweet sweet smell of hegemony at work.

ThunderBalls · 10-07-2003, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Once again EXTREMES...and you call others illiterate.

What he is trying to say is that it doesn't take much for a government to come in and take away ALL your civil liberties.

Or maybe just SOME, chipping away at them a little bit at a time just like they are doing.

Exactly. Whats ironic about all of this is the ones that claim to be so patriotic are the ones that have no problem trashing the constitution.

ADL Colin · 10-07-2003, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Maybe you need a little history lesson.

In 1933 the German Parliament (called the Reichstag) was burned to the ground. Hitler blamed the Communists and used it as an opportunity to arrest 4000 Communists. The day after the fire Hitler invoked Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permitted the suspension of civil liberties during national emergencies.

Same play different day.

Ah, history. Bush is Hitler. Clinton is Hitler. Saddam is Hitler. Milosevic is Hitler. Castro is Hitler. Noriega is Hitler. the Ayatollah is Hitler. No one ever gets tired of playing the Hitler card.

The Weimar Republic was 14 years old at the time. The American Republic is 227. During that time the US has suspended "universal" civil rights many times in various acts and executive orders some of them before 1933. Arguably the two greatest presidents in US history suspended civil rights during times of national emergency; Roosevelt and Lincoln. Both of them did it with executive order not even bothering to go to Congress. A president has authority to do that. Congress balances that power with the ability to impeach. The American people balance that power at the election booth.

The Patriot Act is a normal reaction to such things both in American and World history. Many nations of the world have "national security" clauses intheir Constitution. Turkey being one example.

Doesn't mean I like the Patriot Act. Every last line of it should be repealed. If you pay attention to the US courts and Congress you'll see that has already begun.

I do think though that the proper historical analogy is not 1933 German history but any of the multitudes of times the US has invoked such measures - some of them quite drastic. Internment being probably the worst example. Wanna see what a real uproar is about? Read about the Alien and Sedition acts of John Adam's administration. Thomas Jefferson, the vice president at the time, left town in protest.

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1 at a time of national emergency. Now reaction is going back the other way.

12clicks · 10-07-2003, 06:30 AM

I didn't bother reading this drivel, just skimmed the first couple posts.

The patriot act was passed unanimously (or maybe one vote shy of that) in congress.
cute how you leftists pretend the Dems didn't play a part in this.

EZRhino · 10-07-2003, 06:31 AM

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Simple minds are easily lead to believe in anything that is popular.

Left wing propaganga like this makes me laugh, because it reminds me so much of shady preachers planting seeds of paranoia in followers minds. "Rock 'n Roll is the devil... it will disguise itself as harmless fun, until it engulfs you in a lifestyle of sex and drugs. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU MY CHILD!" ...yada yada yada

It also reminds me of Disney's Beauty and the Beast, where the ring leader of the hunt for the beast was rallying the towns people ..."He will kill your children and stomp your homes, he must be destroyed!!". A simple minded analogy of what ignorance can do.

Whether or not some of the new proposals are outrageous and unconstitutional, some people still fail to see the extremeties of these laws. If the government wants your DNA, they could already get it... a court order is about all it takes. The point of this is, to not associate yourself with the types of suspicion that causes you to be under the microscope. The government doesn't have time, money or horsepower to start probing into nonsense investigations. Maybe on a small town, local level... sure we already have corrupt asshole cops in every neighborhood, that will make your life hell if they don't like you for whatever reason. This is NOT new. I do not believe everyday, working class citizens are going to be plucked from their cozy homes, at random and stripped of their rights. We still have a judicial system in America, as corrupt and backwards as it may be at times, it still stands. Although injustices happen, they have ALWAYS happened throughout history and present day, America is not a society that tolerates gross injustices on a large scale and in recent years, greatly publicizes many of these injustices.

I have watched CourTV for several years now... I see a lot of stories and always thought fingerprints or DNA samples at BIRTH would be a great idea. Sure it might be abused in some rare instances, but abuse happens with EVERYTHING. People are quick to point out the negative effects, yet fail to acknowled the positive it could bring, to many innocent suspects.

If you are so paranoid, that you are going to be hauled off to a terrorist holding facility, you have much deeper issues and/or criminal relations than the majority of Americans. Think logically and numerically, before you try and convict notions that aren't even legalized.

...And if the government wants to tap into my phone conversations or internet usage, they are more than welcome to. The fear that "Big Brother" is watching, has been instill in Americans long before the Patriot Act, if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. Contrary to what some people and paranoia seed planting non-Americans might believe, the government couldn't care less if some people like to masturbate to midget transsexuals.

Apparently, my dear, you didn't click the link to read the act yourself. It's easy to say my mind is "simple" if I believe this, but reading the entire act yourself would certainly remove all doubt.. Then come back and call ME simple, when the proof is smacking you right in the face :P

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Do you ever quit launching personal attacks on someone that wasn't even addressing you? Typical left wing antics. When they have nothing of value or of intelligence to contribute, they stoop to grade school level insults. Keep trying, you MIGHT offend me one day... the odds are not in your favor though! You are as brainwashed as the next idiot who babbles random name calling phrases any direction the popular wind blows.

You accuse me of sucking a dictator's dick, that was incarnated decades before myself... yet you are still riding the enemies dick as we speak. Jump off of Saddam and bin Laden's magic stick for a second or 2 and put your feet on some freedom fighting soil. Keep siding with the enemy... it's popular these days

Are you sure you aren't 12clicks? Anyone who agrees with you must be a liberal. Bullshit, how about anyone who agrees with you just has a different opinion and might not be so blinded by hero-worship? :P

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy

it's odd how prevalent this thinking is today, quite sad really...

I guess as long as it's not a mandatory random anal probe it's ok?

doesn't matter whether you're doing bad shit or not...if my memory serves me, one of the things that used to set our country aside from others was the freedoms we used to enjoy...

random searches without cause, without judicial oversight, etc was a no-no at one time, but I guess since we're all so worried about the terrorists coming back to kick our asses again we should just hand over ALL of our expectations of privacy and personal freedom...

mooooooooooooooooooo

The fact that they've already fingered Pornography SEVERAL times as FUNDING TERRORISM, or so they say, makes anyone IN, around, or involved the industry in ANY WAY automatically suspect. If the Patriot Act 2 goes thorugh, owning a Playboy will be enough reason for search and seizure.

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

I'm actually a moderate conservative. I am not an extreme right wing conservative. I do not agree with everything they stand for... however, there's really not many more ways to classify people who make statements like "Republicans will cause a civil war" and "I hate Bush" etc etc. That's extreme left wing banter. Some people don't have an open mind when it comes to politics and believe it or not, I do. However, I have not heard ANY better solutions to our nation's problems, be it from Democrats, independents, moderates, Republicans etc... All I hear is a lot of complaining and no other alternative actions, other than "Ignore it and focus on making our country richer". I'm all for money... Love it, can't live without it... wouldn't want to or settle not to... BUT there are some things you cannot put a price tag on, freedom and morale being some. I will sacrifice ANY amount of money for security and well being that you cannot get in any other country. I happen to appreciate what I do currently have, personally and as a citizen... I don't feel the need to complain like some people do endlessly.

When did I say in any of those statements that I hate Bush? I was simply pointing out FACTS of what the Patriot act expansions that Ashfucker is trying to push through will involve. Don't believe me, go check for yourself.

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Squirtit

Furious female the fact that LadyMischief isn't American has NOTHING to do with this thread or the AMERICANS that have posted to it.

My mother is an American. This stuff will affect her very much so, therefore it concerns me very much so.

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Hmm... I guess you have never heard of stories like: black male driving down the road, minding his own business, pulled over by a police officer, taken out of his car, frisked, hand cuffed to the guard rail, car searched and then arrested for something completely ridiculous and unnecessary? I guess random searches, without cause of judicial oversight have neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr happened until these new bills were introduced? RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ... I guess it only bothers people, when it pertains to them. Pot calling the kettle black.

Moo to you too

What you're not realizing here though is that as the system stands, the police officers who propegate such crimes can be punished.. Under the new Patriot act, they HAVE IMMUNITY.

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

So you honestly think, in your right mind, that the United States is going to go out and setup gas chambers to kill mass Americans soon? Please entertain us and tell us what is RELEVANCE is of what you posted?

You're trying to say that the fact they are going to try to strip citizenship from BORN AND BRED Americans on no more evidence than someone in the government pointing and saying "He did some stuff that MIGHT be terrorist" is ok with you? Well guess what, Ashbutthead and his crones have declared that Pornography FUNDS TERRORISM. You're in the industry. Period. That's all they would need. They are going after ALL porn in the guise of preventing child pornography, but it makes EVERYONE suspect. Go read the act for yourself, instead of chirping what you've been fed. I spent 8 hours last night reading through the act itself, and article after article of lawyer, other legal institutions, newspapers, different political viewpoints, etc etc on the act, and it frankly scared the shit out of me. And I'm not even American. Why not go inform yourself first, eh?

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by grogan

still beats your country by 10 folds, might be one reason.

Ok, well you enjoy your random body cavity searches, having your computers confiscated, having your civil liberties suspended, perhaps your citizenship stripped.. Not to mention giving your DNA for the national database, and I'll run to the corner store, grab me some soda water, come home and surf in peace. And I'll wave to a cop and not worry he's going to arrest me for nothing more than the fact he doesn't like my clothes :P

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Apparently, my dear, you didn't click the link to read the act yourself. It's easy to say my mind is "simple" if I believe this, but reading the entire act yourself would certainly remove all doubt.. Then come back and call ME simple, when the proof is smacking you right in the face :P

Do you often believe in everything you read? Biased articles, whether based on fact or fiction, still give you the opportunity to disagree with them. Becoming paranoid over things that do not exist yet, is a waste of time. I could list a lot of things that COULD happen in the future, which every human should fear... does it mean they WILL happen? Highly unlikely. I'd like to think America consists of a few people that will still object to unconstitutional laws. Contrary to what SOME people believe, we are NOT living in 1933 Germany. Our society is far too advanced and civil to allow the US government to become that of a malicious dictatorship. I'm tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler. It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see. If I took every article published on a web site, as the absolute truth and definite course of action, I would be worried about a lot of nonsense too.

Libertine · 10-07-2003, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Do you often believe in everything you read? Biased articles, whether based on fact or fiction, still give you the opportunity to disagree with them. Becoming paranoid over things that do not exist yet, is a waste of time. I could list a lot of things that COULD happen in the future, which every human should fear... does it mean they WILL happen? Highly unlikely. I'd like to think America consists of a few people that will still object to unconstitutional laws. Contrary to what SOME people believe, we are NOT living in 1933 Germany. Our society is far too advanced and civil to allow the US government to become that of a malicious dictatorship. I'm tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler. It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see. If I took every article published on a web site, as the absolute truth and definite course of action, I would be worried about a lot of nonsense too.

You say yourself America won't allow unconstitutional changes to slip through because will fight them. Who do you think the people fighting them are?

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

What you're not realizing here though is that as the system stands, the police officers who propegate such crimes can be punished.. Under the new Patriot act, they HAVE IMMUNITY.

Yes the law says they could be punished now... however, the government often sides with law enforcement already. How many times were charges NOT brought up against police officers that violated people's rights? How many times have police officers already been found not guilty of killing unarmed citizens? How many times WAY before 9/11 and the Patriot Act has this already occurred? Again, this is NOT new. Gross injustices ALREADY exist... but I guess they do not become a threat until they may affect you personally.

directfiesta · 10-07-2003, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see.

- Guantanamo camp ....

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

You say yourself America won't allow unconstitutional changes to slip through because will fight them. Who do you think the people fighting them are?

Anyone that takes action against what they feel is wrong. I do not mean violence, but America allows you to voice your opinions. You can take your objections to Congress or more simply use your voting power. Voting for local politicians is just as important as any other. They are the ones that are more likely to affect your everyday life, as many laws are within your jurisdiction and not just federal.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

- Guantanamo camp ....

Wow you are in seeing distance of this? Amazing... Still would be incomparable to nazi soldiers marching up and down your streets and hauling you off to a concentration camp. I have yet to see any innocent American or non-American subjected to this level of torture, that some paranoid people want us to fear.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

The fact that they've already fingered Pornography SEVERAL times as FUNDING TERRORISM, or so they say, makes anyone IN, around, or involved the industry in ANY WAY automatically suspect. If the Patriot Act 2 goes thorugh, owning a Playboy will be enough reason for search and seizure.

And there's groups of people that believe driving an SUV is funding terrorism. Your point would be? Moot. There's people that associate EVERYTHING and ANYTHING with terrorism. It does not make it right or constitutional or for that matter, the law. Are they going to start harvesting Playboy readers and SUV drivers by the dozens and bring terrorist charges up on them? I think not. Like I said before, the government does not have the time, money or horsepower to take every minor incident a federal indictment. Meaningless, ancient and unimportant laws like this ALREADY exist. This is NOTHING new. In some states you could be arrested, fined and do jail time for having sex with socks on. Again, these laws only become a fear when they threaten some people personally. If you are not aware of the goverment's ability to turn anything into an illegal action, you have missed the past 200+ years of history.

Fletch XXX · 10-07-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Wow you are in seeing distance of this? Amazing... Still would be incomparable to nazi soldiers marching up and down your streets and hauling you off to a concentration camp. I have yet to see any innocent American or non-American subjected to this level of torture, that some paranoid people want us to fear.

This guy lived blocks from me.

Sentenced for one year in prison for having bomb making info on his website.

The SAME info can be bought on Amazon dot com, as well as numerous books written by the EX-united states military.

http://www.raisethefist.com/sherman.html

directfiesta · 10-07-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Wow you are in seeing distance of this? Amazing... Still would be incomparable to nazi soldiers marching up and down your streets and hauling you off to a concentration camp. I have yet to see any innocent American or non-American subjected to this level of torture, that some paranoid people want us to fear.

Why always "Americans" ??? In nazi Germany, it was jews that were taken to camp, even though they were German.

In the US now, has any "American" of muslim faith been detained without access to legal counsel ???

But your basic point is that, aside of doing it to Americans, it is OK to rape civil liberties and international laws...

uranidiot · 10-07-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Ah, history. Bush is Hitler. Clinton is Hitler. Saddam is Hitler. Milosevic is Hitler. Castro is Hitler. Noriega is Hitler. the Ayatollah is Hitler. No one ever gets tired of playing the Hitler card.

The Weimar Republic was 14 years old at the time. The American Republic is 227. During that time the US has suspended "universal" civil rights many times in various acts and executive orders some of them before 1933. Arguably the two greatest presidents in US history suspended civil rights during times of national emergency; Roosevelt and Lincoln. Both of them did it with executive order not even bothering to go to Congress. A president has authority to do that. Congress balances that power with the ability to impeach. The American people balance that power at the election booth.

The Patriot Act is a normal reaction to such things both in American and World history. Many nations of the world have "national security" clauses intheir Constitution. Turkey being one example.

Doesn't mean I like the Patriot Act. Every last line of it should be repealed. If you pay attention to the US courts and Congress you'll see that has already begun.

I do think though that the proper historical analogy is not 1933 German history but any of the multitudes of times the US has invoked such measures - some of them quite drastic. Internment being probably the worst example. Wanna see what a real uproar is about? Read about the Alien and Sedition acts of John Adam's administration. Thomas Jefferson, the vice president at the time, left town in protest.

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1 at a time of national emergency. Now reaction is going back the other way.

You are pathetic and a coward.

People like you weaken democracy.

Other people in this thread have the drive to actually fight for what they believe in.

All you do is ramble on about shit.

<b>You don't even vote.</b>

I doubt you're involved in politics on any level.

You really are a pathetic fool, and are truly impotent since you don't even have the conviction to act by voting.

Now don't you have search engines to spam?

theking · 10-07-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

And there's groups of people that believe driving an SUV is funding terrorism. Your point would be? Moot. There's people that associate EVERYTHING and ANYTHING with terrorism. It does not make it right or constitutional or for that matter, the law. Are they going to start harvesting Playboy readers and SUV drivers by the dozens and bring terrorist charges up on them? I think not. Like I said before, the government does not have the time, money or horsepower to take every minor incident a federal indictment. Meaningless, ancient and unimportant laws like this ALREADY exist. This is NOTHING new. In some states you could be arrested, fined and do jail time for having sex with socks on. Again, these laws only become a fear when they threaten some people personally. If you are not aware of the goverment's ability to turn anything into an illegal action, you have missed the past 200+ years of history.

I would enter this thread big time...but you are doing a fabulous job...and I don't have the time to do so this morning. No one has layed a glove on you yet...and I doubt that anyone that has posted thus far has the ability to do so.

ADL Colin · 10-07-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by uranidiot

You are pathetic and a coward.

People like you weaken democracy.

Other people in this thread have the drive to actually fight for what they believe in.

All you do is ramble on about shit.

<b>You don't even vote.</b>

I doubt you're involved in politics on any level.

You really are a pathetic fool, and are truly impotent since you don't even have the conviction to act by voting.

Now don't you have search engines to spam?

You have a lot to learn about bating people still, youngster. Keep reading my posts and learn.

SuckOnThis · 10-07-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by theking

I would enter this thread big time...but you are doing a fabulous job...and I don't have the time to do so this morning. No one has layed a glove on you yet...and I doubt that anyone that has posted thus far has the ability to do so.

What a pathetic attempt to try to score some snatch. You 2 should hook up though, you both can place each other under surveillance during the times you're not licking each others asses.

theking · 10-07-2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis

What a pathetic attempt to try to score some snatch. You 2 should hook up though, you both can place each other under surveillance during the times you're not licking each others asses.

FYI...because of my disability I do not engage in sexual intercourse anymore. BTW...

SuckOnThis · 10-07-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by theking

FYI...because of my disability I do not engage in sexual intercourse anymore. BTW...

Didnt daddy teach you not to stick your cock in the holes in the walls of adult book stores?

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Do you often believe in everything you read? Biased articles, whether based on fact or fiction, still give you the opportunity to disagree with them. Becoming paranoid over things that do not exist yet, is a waste of time. I could list a lot of things that COULD happen in the future, which every human should fear... does it mean they WILL happen? Highly unlikely. I'd like to think America consists of a few people that will still object to unconstitutional laws. Contrary to what SOME people believe, we are NOT living in 1933 Germany. Our society is far too advanced and civil to allow the US government to become that of a malicious dictatorship. I'm tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler. It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see. If I took every article published on a web site, as the absolute truth and definite course of action, I would be worried about a lot of nonsense too.

Actually, I read the act itself.. the articles were to simplify it for those who might not be willing to take that amount of time... But,whatever :P

theking · 10-07-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Didnt daddy teach you not to stick your cock in the holes in the walls of adult book stores?

FYI...I was injured in the 1st Gulf War...and furthermore...

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I will not have intercourse with pricks, kiddys, or the plumb dumb.

You are dismissed.

LadyMischief · 10-07-2003, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Yes the law says they could be punished now... however, the government often sides with law enforcement already. How many times were charges NOT brought up against police officers that violated people's rights? How many times have police officers already been found not guilty of killing unarmed citizens? How many times WAY before 9/11 and the Patriot Act has this already occurred? Again, this is NOT new. Gross injustices ALREADY exist... but I guess they do not become a threat until they may affect you personally.

No actually, I think that's wrong all around.. This will just make it easier for law enforcement do to it, and they won't even NEED an excuse... Dear, I give you credit for being smart most of the time. Instead of arguing so hard with me, go read the act yourself. Ok?

Here you go.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Why always "Americans" ??? In nazi Germany, it was jews that were taken to camp, even though they were German.

In the US now, has any "American" of muslim faith been detained without access to legal counsel ???

But your basic point is that, aside of doing it to Americans, it is OK to rape civil liberties and international laws...

I said non-Americans too

Yes muslims have been detained on suspicion... so have whites, blacks, asians, jews, hindus, baptists, catholics, atheists, purple polka dotted aliens... all through history, some people of every origin have have been held in connection with terrorism, suspicion, association and have received inadequate and/or misrepresented cousel. It's been this way all throughout history. To reiterate, this is nothing new. Injustices and wrongful imprisonment are one of the many flaws our nation and other countries deal with daily.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by theking

I would enter this thread big time...but you are doing a fabulous job...and I don't have the time to do so this morning. No one has layed a glove on you yet...and I doubt that anyone that has posted thus far has the ability to do so.

Thank you

I always enjoy reading your posts. It's nice to have company in the GFY political minority

Adorno · 10-07-2003, 11:43 AM

and they call it neocon love.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis

What a pathetic attempt to try to score some snatch. You 2 should hook up though, you both can place each other under surveillance during the times you're not licking each others asses.

Why is it, that when someone agrees with me, they are an ass licker... but when someone agrees with an anti-Bush supporter, they are "right" ? I love double standards, they are so cute

Adorno · 10-07-2003, 11:46 AM

Just what exactly are you "furious" about?

ThunderBalls · 10-07-2003, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Adorno
Just what exactly are you "furious" about?

Furious_Fuhrer

ThunderBalls · 10-07-2003, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Why is it, that when someone agrees with me, they are an ass licker... but when someone agrees with an anti-Bush supporter, they are "right" ?

Its called logic, you should try using it sometime.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

No actually, I think that's wrong all around.. This will just make it easier for law enforcement do to it, and they won't even NEED an excuse... Dear, I give you credit for being smart most of the time. Instead of arguing so hard with me, go read the act yourself. Ok?

Here you go.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

I'm not trying to say what you posted is invalid or untrue sweetie

I'm just saying, it is not set in stone and to fear things that are most likely not to float and/or take them so literally, is mainly paranoia and there is no need to fan an inferno that is already raring.

People would love to believe that American law enforcement has always needed an excuse to take action against suspicious behavior, but the fact remains, rights have been violated through wrongful searches, seizures, questioning etc since the dawn of America's time. I guarantee, just about ANYTHING you would consider a violation of rights, can be justified by a good defense attorney and/or by the current laws we already have. It's just how the system works... right or wrong, it has always been like this. It's no surprise to me... I am not sure why others are acting so shocked. Perhaps because what was formerly kept low profile, hush hush... is now out in the open?

I don't feel my freedom is being compromised. I am just as concerned about this, as I always have been. An injustice could happen to me at any time... I have seen them happen to my family and friends long before the Patriot Act. I am familiar with knowing how truth and laws can be bent and twisted. I am also comfortable with trusting my country. I choose not to live in fear.

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 12:08 PM

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Just what exactly are you "furious" about?

I ended up with this handle when I was pissed about my sales lol

Furious_Female · 10-07-2003, 12:15 PM

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Its called logic, you should try using it sometime.

blah blah blah... come up with something different to say about me. I use plenty of logic... you should try spitting out a complete paragraph once in awhile... your lame one liners are stale. The truth is, your animosity towards me, is because you know my intelligence supersedes yours by a light-year.

theking · 10-07-2003, 12:45 PM

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Thank you I always enjoy reading your posts. It's nice to have company in the GFY political minority

Well...I do not think that we are of the same political persuasion. I am not a Republican nor a conservative. My political persuasion is that of a moderate with liberal leanings...for the most part...but there are some conservative viewpoints that I do agree with...and one of those is their...usually strong...position on defense...the military and military R & D.

I agree with the position that you have taken about the Patriot Act 1 & 2...and the arguements that you have presented (I have presented some of the same arguements when the subject has come up many times before this). For the most part you are dead on target.

ThunderBalls · 10-07-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

blah blah blah... come up with something different to say about me. I use plenty of logic... you should try spitting out a complete paragraph once in awhile... your lame one liners are stale. The truth is, your animosity towards me, is because you know my intelligence supersedes yours by a light-year.

Actually my animosity towards you is due to your ignorance mixed with your know it all attitude. The reality is you are highly uninformed and I suspect uneducated. Your posts are nothing more than a feeble attempt to be an Anne Coulter wanne be, and a poor one at that.

Is this an example of your wonderful intelligence level?

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Hating Bush doesn't make you a left wing liberal

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there's really not many more ways to classify people who make statements like "Republicans will cause a civil war" and "I hate Bush" etc etc. That's extreme left wing banter.

cluck · 10-07-2003, 01:09 PM

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This guy lived blocks from me.

Sentenced for one year in prison for having bomb making info on his website.

The SAME info can be bought on Amazon dot com, as well as numerous books written by the EX-united states military.

http://www.raisethefist.com/sherman.html

Surprised noone has argued against this. Well, maybe not surprised because noone has an argument against this. You have the right to political dissent, and the right to bear arms. The second amendmant was created solely to defend the people against an unfair government but but this case PROVES that there is no second amendmant anymore. He wasn't arrested for bomb making instructions, or political dissent, but the combination of the two.

Without political dissent what's the purpose of the second amendmant?

10-07-2003, 06:30 AM	#110
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	I didn't bother reading this drivel, just skimmed the first couple posts. The patriot act was passed unanimously (or maybe one vote shy of that) in congress. cute how you leftists pretend the Dems didn't play a part in this. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-07-2003, 06:31 AM	#111
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10-07-2003, 11:43 AM	#140
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	and they call it neocon love.

10-07-2003, 11:46 AM	#142
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	Just what exactly are you "furious" about?