hahaha ok, lets argue semantics. the law won't bother them at all. Acacia will sue them. Gee, suing someone isn't done under the law is it?

keep arguing sematics, dope.

Why don't you share some truth with yourself by answering these questions to yourself, we don't know need to know the answers.

1) Are you an affiliate of any sponsor that hasn't settled?

Because if you are, you are still an open target by Acacia.




2) Do you link directly to any video clips that are on other sites, that don't have a license by Acacia?



Because if you do, they consider linking to stuff to be contributing to infringement, especially if you receive some kind of revenue from it



3) Do you have any audio or video clips on your own website?

Because if you do, then you clearly are infringing on their claims



4) Do you have a video gallery that is hosted by some content provder that you pay to use, and they have not licensed?

Because if you do, you are still a target by Acacia.




Fight The Patent!

Gee, I didn't realize you justed started your fight yesyerday, idiot. please, I beg your forgiveness. I didn't know you only started YESTERDAY.

I'm betting one of the reasons is the amount of donations.

I suggest you re-read the thread moron. or have someone read it to you so it comes with an explaination.

I'm 39 and I hire people with degrees from stanford. what's your point?

12Clicks: Their decision was not based on the merit of the patents. Period.

They even acknowledge that in their press release.

What difference does it make that I am not as big as them?

They did not create that success on the internet so comparisons like the one you are making are simply innappropriate.

12Clicks: Take your meds.

There are different kinds of laws that have different approaches to resolution.

You seem to have thought that people who don't license Acacia's patent is breaking the law, so you clearly were thinking Criminal Law.

After i presented the Facts and Truths on this issue, you now concede that people aren't "breaking the law" as you originally posted.. so see, you are not telling the truth here.

So now, you understand that what you really meant to say is that the patent disputes will take place under Civil Law.

Of course there are other "laws", like Constitutional Law, Law of Physics, etc....

My point is this: Companies that settle made the decision for their business, and what they did "protects" their affiliates...i already posted that.

People are criciticing the big players for settling, because they believe the patents are invalid and that the big players had the resources to be able to fight against the claims.

Sure, it takes money out of their pockets, but if they were a company that had a reputation for fighting against "the man", then you can understand why eyebrows were raised.

No one is saying "don't license Acacia's patents". We are saying we believe they have invalid claims, but it will take a court to make that decision.



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how is it being spun? which part isn't true?


its not being spun, except by you.
Anon? has anyone whispered in your ear yet what a telling statement this is about YOU and what you DON'T know about this business.

that's not the issue. the issue is you bad mouthing your betters because they decide to go a different way.

I enjoy exposing the truth.

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Sorry, in addition to being a PR Hack, I have a couple of companies to run. You're obviously someone who is jealous and who is carrying a major chip on thier shoulder for something that has nothing to do with this issue. Don't waste my time or the time of others who are seriously discussing the issue at hand.

What do you do again? Who are you again? Does anyone care? Do you have anything valuable to contribute? I didn't think so......

Most of the major questions have been answered on this thread and the other thread about this issue. Myself and a few others had a good debate over the issues that ended with mutual respect and without any hard feelings. I'm moving on and getting back to work.

If anyone has any specific questions about how our settlement might help them, hurt them or otherwise, I'd be glad to answer those questions via e-mail - [email protected]

At this point 12 Clicks you are just a braying ass.

You should be proud of your contributions to this thread though.

To each their own.. As long as Acacia does not pimp Huster / Vivid as they did with CE....making press statements etc.

their decision is based on business, as you've just admitted.
your point again was?

innappropriate? you're a hanger on in this business. you come here passing judgement on people who've DONE things in this business.
what's innappropriate is thinking you should be taken seriously at all.

Is this what your lawyers are going to say to acacia too?

Here's a clue, name calling when pressed for facts works as well on chat boards as it will in court.

good luck.

What have you exposed?

IMO, that press release had statements that were misleading people to believe that they would be protected by sending traffic to Hustler. Ken clarified that this is not the case and I thanked him for his candor.

If Acacia had solid patents then why do they need to make threats and sweetheart deals to bring people on board? Why aren't they going to Microsoft for billions instead of spending millions to deal with us "low hanging fruit"? Why do all the people who settle say "i don't agree with the patents but I am settling anyway for business reasons"?

So what if I don't know who you are? At this point I don't want to know you and I certainly am not going to follow your advice on how this business supposedly really works...

Just the way you speak makes me think you are one of the old timers that probably couldn't face Acacia even if you wanted to because your hands are too unclean to go through Discovery. Now you want to make excuses for those that settle and pay for a Patent that many qualified people have looked at and judged to be overbroad and invalid and an abuse of patent process.

Let's put this bickerfest behind and wait until after our day in court to see who gets in the final "I told you so".

Have a nice day. In the words of Ron...

Peace.

Out.

I have a question for you, with all the websites that you have (i found a list of yours), and the ones that have audio stories on them, have you paid your license to Acacia?

Since you report on your website you get:
"Over 400,000 daily visitors...Over 10 million/month " you must be doing alot of sales, and with all the websites you have, you must have to pay alot of money to Acacia.

My guess, is that you didn't pay a license, and maybe never got an "information packet".. and that some of your sites, you are part of Hustler/Vivid affiliate program.... but the rest of your websites aren't "protected" and those audio stories you have, clearly infringing upon Acacia.

Or, maybe you did get an information packet, and you bought their licensing package.. and then you admired their bizmodel since the Stanford brains on your staff pointed things out, and maybe you even bought some stock at around $1.50 and feel that news of Hustler/Vivid signing has made the stock price go higher, and so therefore, you are making several times return on investments based on all of this hype.

Talk about exposing the truth.. .please do....


Fight The Patent!

You obviously don't know much about our business so trying to discredit it is falling way short.

Who are we hanging on?

CE? Ask Ron to see the stats on HGCash.

I have done business for years with Vivid, Playboy, Hustler, and each has acknowledged the success and importance of the Homegrown Video brand.

Your insults are weak and ill aimed.

Go back to the drawing board.

with all these questions you have its odd that your first post to me in this thread was over how uninformed I am. Are you asking me why I felt the need to expose you as a lightwieght in this business after explaining how *I'm* uninformed?
silly kid.

well, with all you've achieved so far, I don't blame you. :1orglaugh

Yes, my grapes are sour. :1orglaugh what is it you do in this business again? you're an employee for some smalltime adult site? yes, I'd rather be you.

ah yes. how dare multi million dollar corporations do other than what you want.

Let's put this bickerfest behind and wait until after our day in court to see who gets in the final "I told you so".
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Gee, if you win in court how exactly will vivid and hustler be hurt? I missed that part.

You must be looking at an out of date page. 10 million a month. what page is that on. its embarrassing. I need to update it.

As far as what MY lawyers have advised, We don't share business plans with rabble.:1orglaugh

learn to read. I called YOU personally a hanger on. adult website employees are a dime a dozen.

No, just ill read. you go to stanford too?

i respect your right to privacy so I want post the page I got that quote from... i notice that you don't plug anything on your sig... so i'll refrain from listing your site and the 153 sites that i found with just a 30 second effort.




that's fine, i don't expect you to... but unless you have signed a license agreement with Acacia for your use of audio and video on the multitude of websites, then you'll need to share your business plans with Acacia.

I thought you would take this opportunity to speak the truth, but instead, you back down with a slither of an answer.

I respect everyone's opinion, no matter whether i disagree with you or not.. what i don't like is hypocrits.

When you point your finger at us for all for your rabble, just remember, you have three fingers that point back to you.

As far as i see it, you have no credibility in your statements.. go back to your businesses, i am sure you are a successful businessman (money is not the measure of man's worth), let people who want to help others continue with their efforts, without your rabbling.


Fight The Patent!

again, you're wrong. you're clueless about anything "I'll need" to do.

son, telling you I don't share my business plans with the rabble *is* the truth. sorry you don't like it.

Yes, I'm a "hypocrit" because I brush off your demands like the flea you are.

you'd have to say that wouldn't you?
it never is among those who can't achieve is it?:winkwink:
I do. that's not what this thread is about. Instead of trying to badmouth vivid and hustler, why don't you run along and find some more prior art.

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
without your rabbling.
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what word are you going for here?

I would never wish hurt on Vivid and Hustler nor would I ever let my actions affect them adversely. They made choices for their business and I am not going to presume them right or wrong for making them. It is a matter of my free speech to be critical of them at my leisure.

It is worth it for us to fight the battle. Bottom line.

I am proud of what little success we have achieved and I am not belittled by your comments in the least.

Oh yeah...

My dog loves me too.

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I'm in 100% agreement with this.

its tit for tat. You can't expect me to sit on my hands when someone comes out of the wood work to make a first post to me like:

12Clicks: I apologize for coming off so harshly.

I was over-reacting to your challenge that we had accomplished nothing positive to date.


I should have merely said that I disagree and that I am content with our achievements thus far.

Anyone taking advice from 12 Clicks deserve what they get....

His ignorance cannot be measured.

Ken I guess you missed the part of my first post where I said I didn't care what you had to say but...you are the one that took the PR job...If you want to be their PEON go right ahead but you should've expected some backlash...It is not just me, 100's of people talking shit about this decision on all the adult webmaster boards. You got paid to do a job that nobody else wanted...so deal with it ;-)

Only thing that upset me was I thought Larry Flynt would have been the best person to take them on and that money would not have been a factor for him. I guess morals change when a good deal is offered. I would have never thought for a second he would back down and put everyone else at risk. Thank god he didn't back down before or none us us would even be talking about this today.

I am not jealous or carrying a chip lol

Actually, we are considering moving to Florida within the year and getting into the content business...so this would affect my wife and me!

I run a few small websites...and own 4 small off-line businesses. Dont worry about me I do just fine :-)

I am Deeprub...off-line friends call me Troy

As far as anyone caring...I dont know if they do or not...obviously I got under your skin.

Only my thoughts on the matters...probaly anit to valuable to anyone though...but I will say what I want...fuck you, dont think to hard...you might hurt yourself!


You answered no question...you posted a message on all the adult webmaster boards...that they gave you...and then you argued a few definition of the law...and tried to justify the decision they made.

The big question is the what deal they made...but I am sure nobody will ever get the answer to this.

You started on a public forum why not let people ask there question here and finish here.

Deeprub

PS...you signature is to big also :1orglaugh

dude, that's like saying someone's baby is ugly

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



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Perhaps the most unfortunate part of this thread is the realization that when Flynt went to court to defend his 1st amendement rights, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with ethics. It was purely a business decision.

Another urban myth down the drain.

:1orglaugh


I think Ravener's post deserves the "nailed" image as well... great summary Ravener!


Fight the Patent!

Far-L thanks for the Legal.zip links. Interesting reading there.. still going through it.. but I have to say we all need to remember who 12Clicks is and exactly what we're dealing with here:

http://www.thextrials.com/ugly2.jpg

Flynt was fighting for HIS right to stay in business.... nobody elses!

I don't recall Flynt as an activist... now homegrown is a different story!

YO. Slow down, take a deeeeep breath, and READ the post before you respond.

You didn't say anything "blasphemous". You sure as hell didn't upset me. Somebody spouting off on the board is not exactly something for me to get upset about. It's a fucking webmaster board, not a seat in the Senate.

Larry Flynt never has been, and never will be, a "god", a "role model", or a "hero" to me. He's a business man, and I'm not going to condemn him for that. THAT is what I said. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't take things from my words that aren't there.

Yes, this situation and the demands made by Acacia are pure and utter bullshit. Believe me, I take no pleasure in the angst it is causing to so many companies...and individuals, yourself included. It's a raw deal, and a lot of people are going to get screwed.

You or anyone else can be disappointed all they want at the actions of Flynt Digital and Vivid, but that's just the way it is. Flynt Digital IS a business. Big business. Not an advocate for the porn webmaster. As much as you would like to think that you know exactly "how it went down", the fact is that there are facts behind these decisions that we can't even begin to imagine. So let's not pretend we do.

Am I supposed to piss and moan about two large companies doing what is best for their business? Am I supposed to be shocked that settlements were made based on information that I, nor you, have or ever will have? Should I "take a stand" on how these companies should have continued to prolong a situation that posed risks and costs that we can't even imagine, just to protect ME?

It's not Flynt and Vivid we should be angry at. If anything, your anger should be directed even more fiercely towards fucking ACACIA. THEY are the villains here...they are the worthless, profiteering assholes who sat back for years and watched as business after business became dependant on this technology. They didn't just wake up one day and say "Hey! There are people out there using something that we have a patent on! We should sue to protect our rights!". Yeah, right. The word "extortion" comes to mind for some reason.

extortion

\Ex*tor"tion\, n. [F. extorsion.] 1. The act of extorting; the act or practice of wresting anything from a person by force, by threats, or by any undue exercise of power; undue exaction; overcharge.

God love dictionary.com.

Now I know you are all poised and ready, finger twitching to click "quote"...ready to dissect my post piece by piece, each piece met by your impassioned rebuttal, to prove your point. No need. I know -exactly- how you strongly you feel on the subject, so your opinions have all been well made and duly noted...not to mention respected.

However, I don't understand why you are getting yourself all worked up and spending hours pissing with some people on a webmaster board. That is, unless you're doing it simply for the sheer enjoyment of a pissing match. In that case, I completely understand.

Flame on.

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i just want to ask this and flam if you want ,
now does this fallow for people in other countrys that are not in the usa ?
and one other thing i like to ask , does this fallow as well if you are giving it for free , not making money off the videos ?

I am sure there is loop holes here some where , has any one really tried to find them and look for them , ya i am a bit behind on all this , and this thread has brought alot of it to speed for me , just asking some of this for i didnt read it here . SO can any one tell me on this >? that i have asked

I don't mind 12Click's insults... somebody should just tell him that I am an owner and partner and not just an employee of Homegrown.

Everyone deserves a chance to voice his or her opinion... and anyone can mess up the facts... but no one should be able to say or do what they want with out being checked out and held accountable for it.

Have to tell you Far-L watching you on these boards, I have gained a real respect for you. How diplomatically you handle people on here.

not really, you made a great post to present your views, i agree with them .....

The big players that settled are not the targets of our passionate viewpoints, it's Acacia and the OTHER patent abuse companies out there, trying to force their INTERPRETATION of a patent onto companies to license...

This is why i started FightThePatent.com not Fight-Against-Anyone-who-settles-on-a-patent-license.bomb

I think we are all on the same side of this issue.


Fight the Patent!

What you say and do will be remembered.
He may get a boost in his "15 minutes of fame" ...
but it will be remembered ...

and so will those who settled so fast ...
it will be remembered.

Acacia has patents filed internationally, check out their page:
http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/patents.htm


Even if you offer videos for free, you are infringing upon their patent claims.

Feel free to check out my website and post any questions you have.. don't worry if your questions are duplicates, i realize the thread gets long and buried under all of our postings, and i will help to answer your questions.


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What?? No patents filed in Canada?

That is a major compliment, thank you!