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uranidiot · 09-30-2003, 05:40 PM

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pag...as/3201631.stm

Soros calls for 'regime change' in US

Billionaire philanthropist George Soros has called for an end to the Bush administration ahead of next year's presidential elections.

Mr Soros - whose Foundations Network has given $1bn around the world to various causes to help tackle poverty and disease - told BBC Radio 4's United Nations Or Not? programme that the US would only stop pursuing "extremist" policies if there was a change at the White House.

"It is only possible if you have a regime change in the United States - in other words if President Bush is voted out of power.

"I am very hopeful that people will wake up and realise that they have been led down the garden path, that actually 11 September has been hijacked by a bunch of extremists to put into effect policies that they were advocating before such as the invasion of Iraq."

Imposing power

Mr Soros added that there was a "false ideology" behind the policies of the Bush administration.

"There is a group of - I would call them extremists - who have the following belief: that international relations are relations of power, not of law, that international law will always follow what power has achieved," he said.

"And therefore [they believe] the United States being the most powerful nation on earth should impose its power, impose its will and its interests on the world and it should do it looking after itself.

"I think this is a very dangerous ideology. It is very dangerous because America is in fact very powerful."

He added that he felt US actions in the build-up to the war on Iraq was evidence of an extremist element in the Bush administration.

"Probably President Chirac would not disagree with this philosophy but he is not so powerful - so I am not so worried about what France is doing," Mr Soros said, referring to France's opposition to the war.

"But America being really the dominant power to be in the grips of such an extremist ideology is very dangerous for the world and that is my major concern."

However, he added that he felt the rift between the US and the United Nations over the war - which President Bush referred to as a "difficult and defining moment" for the UN - had in fact strengthened the UN, rather than weakened it.

"I think that the United States has over-reached," he said.

"What happens to extremists is that they go to extremes and the falsehood in their ideology becomes apparent.

"In a democracy the electorate - which is not extremist - will punish them and they know it, so they have to retreat.

"I think there is a good chance that the US will yet turn to a greater extent to the United Nations because they are now discovering that it is extremely painful and certainly costly to go it alone so in the end the outcome may be to strengthen the United Nations."

State interests

Mr Soros was, however, critical of the UN for what it sees as its inability to function well as a collective of states.

"The United Nations is not an organisation that is terribly effective in promoting open society because it is an association of states... states always put their national interests ahead of the common interest.

"So it is not a very effective organisation for changing conditions inside states."

Mr Soros has a history of donating great sums of money to areas in need around the world - but only once has he done this through the UN.

"In Bosnia we gave it to UNHCR - but that was really quite the exception.

"We do interfere in the internal affairs of states, but based on supporting people inside the country who take a certain stance.

"We have actually been quite effective in bringing about democratisation, democratic regime change in Slovakia, Croatia and Yugoslavia, but that's by helping civil society in those countries to mobilise."

Positive response

Mr Soros is highly critical of much government bureaucracy, preferring to make his donations directly to those in need as much as possible.

In June this year he announced he would be drastically cutting back the money he gave to Russia.

And he said that money his fund was pledging to the fight against HIV/Aids would be "more effective" because it was going "only through a governmental organisation."

He conceded too that President Bush's policies on the HIV/Aids pandemic were positive.

"There is some response in America, in the Bush administration, to pressure from some of their constituencies - so there is the Millennium Challenge account, the contribution on fighting HIV/Aids," Mr Soros said.

"Those are positive aspects of the Bush administration. I am very supportive of the Millennium Challenge account - this is the new development aid that they are putting in - and I am very supportive and delighted that President Bush is willing to contribute to the global fund on Aids.

"So I am critical on some aspects of the Bush administration but not every aspect - and here I am actually very supportive."

sweet7 · 09-30-2003, 05:42 PM

Way to go Georgie boy!

ADL Colin · 09-30-2003, 06:11 PM

Excellent interview.

Note that Soros said international law will not necessarily always follow what power has achieved. He didn't say that it doesn't normally follow what power has achieved (It often does and maybe nearly always does).

What does this mean though given that other security council members - the UK, France, and USSR have all gone to war without security council approval? Soros nailed it again. Power. The US is being held to a different standard than other nations by the rest of the world community because of an extreme power gap. Did everyone forget that the UK fought in Iraq too? Anyone care to tell me why the Australians weren't acting unilaterally without UN approval in Iraq? Where are all the "John Howard is Hitler" threads?

Fletch XXX · 09-30-2003, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
Where are all the "John Howard is Hitler" threads?

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=181161

ADL Colin · 09-30-2003, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=181161

heh.

uranidiot · 09-30-2003, 06:55 PM

I wonder if Fox would run a story like this.

They are "Fair & Balanced" after all aren't they?

rooster · 09-30-2003, 07:37 PM

I wonder if some of you ever watched fox news or just base your opinion on what some fat slob in a baseball cap tells you.

I think the thing about the left is all they ever do is spin. Suddenly they believe the UN is some all powerful unfaillible thing. They had no problem when Clinton bi-passed them to bomb milosevic. They had no problem when thousands of rwandans got murdered.

Drake · 09-30-2003, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
I think the thing about the left is all they ever do is spin. Suddenly they believe the UN is some all powerful unfaillible thing.

He actually said it's very fallible:

Mr Soros was, however, critical of the UN for what it sees as its inability to function well as a collective of states.

"The United Nations is not an organisation that is terribly effective in promoting open society because it is an association of states... states always put their national interests ahead of the common interest.

"So it is not a very effective organisation for changing conditions inside states."

ThunderBalls · 09-30-2003, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
I wonder if some of you ever watched fox news or just base your opinion on what some fat slob in a baseball cap tells you.

Fuck Fox News and fuck you too.

Fletch XXX · 09-30-2003, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
I wonder if some of you ever watched fox news or just base your opinion on what some fat slob in a baseball cap tells you.

Long live Rock and roll.

fuck honkeys. fuck ******s and fuck the kikes. fuck wiggers, fuck christians and fuck the muslims and mother fuck bush and his kid fucking admin.

Im listening to CHuck Berry drinking beer like any REAL AMERICAN should.

LadyMischief · 09-30-2003, 09:11 PM

Fuck that fucker, right in his ass.

ZakAttack · 09-30-2003, 10:38 PM

I consider him to be a genius. I've read every book about George Soros and read through his book Alchemy of Finance and especially his quasi-autobiography Soros on Soros. His theories of reflexivity as applied to the stock market and different societies is really revealing. However, his philosophy isn't as good as his ability to manage hedge funds. If you read through some of his writings, he tries to use his same ideas over and over to explain different things happening in our society.

However, his theories aren't always applicable theories to explain everything with. From reading that article, it felt almost like reading every article he's ever written about different problems in society over many years. Its almost like he just copies the problems of today and inserts them in forms of prewritten, reused ideas of the past. Its good to take it with a pinch of salt.

uranidiot · 10-03-2003, 04:22 PM

Here's someone that's richer and more powerful than everyone on this board combined.

I think that pretty much says it all.

The opinion of pretty much everyone on this board is worth shit, because the porn industry is a breeding house for the ignorant.

Anyone who reads this board can see that.

You've all got what's coming to you.

Enjoy the severe ass fucking that's coming your way.

09-30-2003, 05:40 PM	#1
uranidiot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 566	Multi-billionaire condemns Bush http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pag...as/3201631.stm Soros calls for 'regime change' in US Billionaire philanthropist George Soros has called for an end to the Bush administration ahead of next year's presidential elections. Mr Soros - whose Foundations Network has given $1bn around the world to various causes to help tackle poverty and disease - told BBC Radio 4's United Nations Or Not? programme that the US would only stop pursuing "extremist" policies if there was a change at the White House. "It is only possible if you have a regime change in the United States - in other words if President Bush is voted out of power. "I am very hopeful that people will wake up and realise that they have been led down the garden path, that actually 11 September has been hijacked by a bunch of extremists to put into effect policies that they were advocating before such as the invasion of Iraq." Imposing power Mr Soros added that there was a "false ideology" behind the policies of the Bush administration. "There is a group of - I would call them extremists - who have the following belief: that international relations are relations of power, not of law, that international law will always follow what power has achieved," he said. "And therefore [they believe] the United States being the most powerful nation on earth should impose its power, impose its will and its interests on the world and it should do it looking after itself. "I think this is a very dangerous ideology. It is very dangerous because America is in fact very powerful." He added that he felt US actions in the build-up to the war on Iraq was evidence of an extremist element in the Bush administration. "Probably President Chirac would not disagree with this philosophy but he is not so powerful - so I am not so worried about what France is doing," Mr Soros said, referring to France's opposition to the war. "But America being really the dominant power to be in the grips of such an extremist ideology is very dangerous for the world and that is my major concern." However, he added that he felt the rift between the US and the United Nations over the war - which President Bush referred to as a "difficult and defining moment" for the UN - had in fact strengthened the UN, rather than weakened it. "I think that the United States has over-reached," he said. "What happens to extremists is that they go to extremes and the falsehood in their ideology becomes apparent. "In a democracy the electorate - which is not extremist - will punish them and they know it, so they have to retreat. "I think there is a good chance that the US will yet turn to a greater extent to the United Nations because they are now discovering that it is extremely painful and certainly costly to go it alone so in the end the outcome may be to strengthen the United Nations." State interests Mr Soros was, however, critical of the UN for what it sees as its inability to function well as a collective of states. "The United Nations is not an organisation that is terribly effective in promoting open society because it is an association of states... states always put their national interests ahead of the common interest. "So it is not a very effective organisation for changing conditions inside states." Mr Soros has a history of donating great sums of money to areas in need around the world - but only once has he done this through the UN. "In Bosnia we gave it to UNHCR - but that was really quite the exception. "We do interfere in the internal affairs of states, but based on supporting people inside the country who take a certain stance. "We have actually been quite effective in bringing about democratisation, democratic regime change in Slovakia, Croatia and Yugoslavia, but that's by helping civil society in those countries to mobilise." Positive response Mr Soros is highly critical of much government bureaucracy, preferring to make his donations directly to those in need as much as possible. In June this year he announced he would be drastically cutting back the money he gave to Russia. And he said that money his fund was pledging to the fight against HIV/Aids would be "more effective" because it was going "only through a governmental organisation." He conceded too that President Bush's policies on the HIV/Aids pandemic were positive. "There is some response in America, in the Bush administration, to pressure from some of their constituencies - so there is the Millennium Challenge account, the contribution on fighting HIV/Aids," Mr Soros said. "Those are positive aspects of the Bush administration. I am very supportive of the Millennium Challenge account - this is the new development aid that they are putting in - and I am very supportive and delighted that President Bush is willing to contribute to the global fund on Aids. "So I am critical on some aspects of the Bush administration but not every aspect - and here I am actually very supportive."

09-30-2003, 05:42 PM	#2
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09-30-2003, 06:11 PM	#3
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10-03-2003, 04:22 PM	#13
uranidiot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 566	Here's someone that's richer and more powerful than everyone on this board combined. I think that pretty much says it all. The opinion of pretty much everyone on this board is worth shit, because the porn industry is a breeding house for the ignorant. Anyone who reads this board can see that. You've all got what's coming to you. Enjoy the severe ass fucking that's coming your way. Last edited by uranidiot; 10-03-2003 at 04:25 PM..

09-30-2003, 06:55 PM	#6
uranidiot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 566	I wonder if Fox would run a story like this. They are "Fair & Balanced" after all aren't they?

09-30-2003, 07:37 PM	#7
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	I wonder if some of you ever watched fox news or just base your opinion on what some fat slob in a baseball cap tells you. I think the thing about the left is all they ever do is spin. Suddenly they believe the UN is some all powerful unfaillible thing. They had no problem when Clinton bi-passed them to bomb milosevic. They had no problem when thousands of rwandans got murdered.

09-30-2003, 10:38 PM	#12
ZakAttack Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 350	I consider him to be a genius. I've read every book about George Soros and read through his book Alchemy of Finance and especially his quasi-autobiography Soros on Soros. His theories of reflexivity as applied to the stock market and different societies is really revealing. However, his philosophy isn't as good as his ability to manage hedge funds. If you read through some of his writings, he tries to use his same ideas over and over to explain different things happening in our society. However, his theories aren't always applicable theories to explain everything with. From reading that article, it felt almost like reading every article he's ever written about different problems in society over many years. Its almost like he just copies the problems of today and inserts them in forms of prewritten, reused ideas of the past. Its good to take it with a pinch of salt.