When did the way Sponsors track clicks change? - GoFuckYourself.com

4Pics · 10-02-2003, 02:49 PM

What is this shit about qualifed then counting your join ratio from that?

Since 96' I thought ratio was always unique clicks sent to joins.

Not 2nd page or 3rd page or join page to conversion.

Who the fuck cares if the ratio is 1/20 when it takes you 8000 visitors to get that.

According to a few sponsors my ratio with ARS would be 1:25 instead of 1:153.

Juicy D. Links · 10-02-2003, 02:50 PM

Stud Money · 10-02-2003, 02:51 PM

polish_aristocrat · 10-02-2003, 02:54 PM

I wish I had 1:153

myneid · 10-02-2003, 02:55 PM

if i remember correclty it was 1999. i had been working at igallery since 1996 and when they told me that we were not counting unique hits and that waht we report as hits is hits to teh join page i flipped and said that they were idiots. they said it would make the conversion ratios go down and i explained till i was blue in the face that it doesnt do anything.

it still makes no sence to me to count 2nd page hits as teh number of hits.

4Pics · 10-02-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by myneid
if i remember correclty it was 1999. i had been working at igallery since 1996 and when they told me that we were not counting unique hits and that waht we report as hits is hits to teh join page i flipped and said that they were idiots. they said it would make the conversion ratios go down and i explained till i was blue in the face that it doesnt do anything.

it still makes no sence to me to count 2nd page hits as teh number of hits.

It's BULLSHIT to show join page to join ratio!!!

Sly_RJ · 10-02-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by myneid
if i remember correclty it was 1999. i had been working at igallery since 1996 and when they told me that we were not counting unique hits and that waht we report as hits is hits to teh join page i flipped and said that they were idiots. they said it would make the conversion ratios go down and i explained till i was blue in the face that it doesnt do anything.

it still makes no sence to me to count 2nd page hits as teh number of hits.

It makes perfect sense. What looks better, 1:150 or 1:750? It doesn't matter whether or not the outcome is the same. Webmasters are silly and don't realize that. They usually go for the better looking conversion instead of the better looking pay check.

4Pics · 10-02-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

It makes perfect sense. What looks better, 1:150 or 1:750? It doesn't matter whether or not the outcome is the same. Webmasters are silly and don't realize that. They usually go for the better looking conversion instead of the better looking pay check.

It might make sense, but its making the people who promote them look like fools for posting their ratios.

Mojo Rizin · 10-02-2003, 04:02 PM

You mean the people who are content with 1:1200 dont realize that they are really 1:3500?

ControlThy · 10-02-2003, 04:06 PM

It would be nice to see firstpage hits, 2nd page and joinpage statistics.

Nima · 10-02-2003, 04:55 PM

so you can always have a great looking conversion ratio

12clicks · 10-02-2003, 05:08 PM

its also bullshit to say you convert off your tgp at 1:200 for banner clicks.

It only takes 20,000,000 visitors to get 200 banner clicks

4Pics · 10-02-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
its also bullshit to say you convert off your tgp at 1:200 for banner clicks.

It only takes 20,000,000 visitors to get 200 banner clicks

Depends on if you sell ads by per impression or per click or sale.

If by the click or per sale then 1/200 would be fine. If by impression you'd need to know clickthru %.

BlackCrayon · 10-02-2003, 06:16 PM

i refuse to use sponsors who employ this. tcg counts 2nd page, i put up with that for a while but i think it should be industry standard to be 1st page unique hits that are displayed in stats.

Digipimp · 10-02-2003, 06:19 PM

It's not so bad my join page ratio with TripleX this month was about 1:3500, now would you hate to hear my unique ratio of hits to the galleries those came from.

Digipimp · 10-02-2003, 06:25 PM

I'm sorry I was actually 1:6040 on hits to the join page with Triple X this past month or on uniques I was 1:15,452.

So that's not really bad at all is it? Oh yeah that's not TGP traffic either.

gleem · 10-02-2003, 06:35 PM

if you don't have your own click out tracker, you'll never know what your real conversion is. Even the sponsors that count first page raws report 10 to 50% lower than your real first page clicks..

12clicks · 10-03-2003, 05:44 AM

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Originally posted by 4Pics

Depends on if you sell ads by per impression or per click or sale.

If by the click or per sale then 1/200 would be fine. If by impression you'd need to know clickthru %.

wrong.
If I'm buying per click or per sale and you're doing 1:200 on banner clicks but it takes 20 million visitors for 200 clicks, even talking to you is wasting my time.

10-02-2003, 02:49 PM	#1
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	When did the way Sponsors track clicks change? What is this shit about qualifed then counting your join ratio from that? Since 96' I thought ratio was always unique clicks sent to joins. Not 2nd page or 3rd page or join page to conversion. Who the fuck cares if the ratio is 1/20 when it takes you 8000 visitors to get that. According to a few sponsors my ratio with ARS would be 1:25 instead of 1:153.

10-02-2003, 02:54 PM	#4
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I wish I had 1:153 __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

10-02-2003, 02:55 PM	#5
myneid Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 736	if i remember correclty it was 1999. i had been working at igallery since 1996 and when they told me that we were not counting unique hits and that waht we report as hits is hits to teh join page i flipped and said that they were idiots. they said it would make the conversion ratios go down and i explained till i was blue in the face that it doesnt do anything. it still makes no sence to me to count 2nd page hits as teh number of hits. __________________ Tanguy 0x7a69 inc. Programmer/President/CEO http://www.0x7a69.com A Leader in Programming since 1996 PHP, Ruby on Rails, MySQL, PCI DSS, and any Technical Consulting

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Nima Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,192	so you can always have a great looking conversion ratio

10-02-2003, 05:08 PM	#12
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	its also bullshit to say you convert off your tgp at 1:200 for banner clicks. It only takes 20,000,000 visitors to get 200 banner clicks __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-02-2003, 06:16 PM	#14
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	i refuse to use sponsors who employ this. tcg counts 2nd page, i put up with that for a while but i think it should be industry standard to be 1st page unique hits that are displayed in stats. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

10-02-2003, 06:19 PM	#15
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	It's not so bad my join page ratio with TripleX this month was about 1:3500, now would you hate to hear my unique ratio of hits to the galleries those came from. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-02-2003, 06:25 PM	#16
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	I'm sorry I was actually 1:6040 on hits to the join page with Triple X this past month or on uniques I was 1:15,452. So that's not really bad at all is it? Oh yeah that's not TGP traffic either. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-02-2003, 06:35 PM	#17
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	if you don't have your own click out tracker, you'll never know what your real conversion is. Even the sponsors that count first page raws report 10 to 50% lower than your real first page clicks.. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com