So Then Visa Deadline Is Tomorrow... - GoFuckYourself.com

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 01:38 PM

Lets speculate on what (if any) effect its going to have on us as a whole

DarkJedi · 09-30-2003, 01:44 PM

what deadline ?

pamphage · 09-30-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
what deadline ?

to turn in your signed contract in blood promising your eternal soul to eternal damnation if you get even a single chargeback within any 365 day period.

just a punk · 09-30-2003, 01:45 PM

yes, a deadline for what?

pamphage · 09-30-2003, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
what deadline ?

hey. no more tcg banner?

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 01:47 PM

The deadline where you have to have a charge back ratio of X % otherwise you lose your rebilling privellages.

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 01:48 PM

And all the BS compliance stuff they want from us in addition to the %age crap.

DarkJedi · 09-30-2003, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pamphage

hey. no more tcg banner?

never had it

Brad Mitchell · 09-30-2003, 02:00 PM

We're going to see some shit hit the fan before January, you can count on that.

Brad

Twisted Dollar · 09-30-2003, 02:11 PM

Only the strong will survive

Dawgy · 09-30-2003, 02:12 PM

what's visa?

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money
The deadline where you have to have a charge back ratio of X % otherwise you lose your rebilling privellages.

You can lose your entire billing privileges not just the rebills.

Clay
EPOCH

Hooper · 09-30-2003, 02:41 PM

yeah. you're fucked stud money.

i overheard visa talking about you.. and it wasnt pretty.

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Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
yeah. you're fucked stud money.

i overheard visa talking about you.. and it wasnt pretty.

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Haha yeah i heard them talking about you too hooper ;)

BTW, your sigs to big - BOTH of them

Shoplifter · 09-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
We're going to see some shit hit the fan before January, you can count on that.

Brad

It all depends on enforcement, and what the rules may really be..But yah expect some big trouble before January.

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter

It all depends on enforcement, and what the rules may really be..But yah expect some big trouble before January.

VISA will enforce the new 1% rule, they have been very strict on enforcement with 2.5% for the last year.

Clay
EPOCH

just a punk · 09-30-2003, 02:53 PM

Is anyone here knows how exactly this rule related to AVS? I.e. do you think that AVS will be affected as well?

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Is anyone here knows how exactly this rule related to AVS? I.e. do you think that AVS will be affected as well?

Traditional AVS sites are not allowed under VISA HRIPSP rules, if you have one up you should be prepared to make drastic changes in order to become compliant with the VISA rules.

The "compliant avs" will also be subject to the 1%.

All adult sites/Sponsored Merchants under 5967 are subject to the 1% rule.

Clay
EPOCH

just a punk · 09-30-2003, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Epoch
Traditional AVS sites are not allowed under VISA HRIPSP rules, if you have one up you should be prepared to make drastic changes in order to become compliant with the VISA rules.

These changes are not essential and required for just a few systems only (such as CyberAge etc). So this is not a problem.

Quote:

The "compliant avs" will also be subject to the 1%. All adult sites/Sponsored Merchants under 5967 are subject to the 1% rule. Clay EPOCH

But how exactly this rule will affect the AVS? Will it be aplied to the age verification systems in whole, or will it be applied to EACH particular AVS site?

jayeff · 09-30-2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Epoch

Traditional AVS sites are not allowed under VISA HRIPSP rules, if you have one up you should be prepared to make drastic changes in order to become compliant with the VISA rules.

The "compliant avs" will also be subject to the 1%.

All adult sites/Sponsored Merchants under 5967 are subject to the 1% rule.

Clay
EPOCH

Ummm... in layman's language, what does that mean for operations such as Adult Check, Cyberage etc?

GigaChris · 09-30-2003, 03:11 PM

time will tell

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberxxx
But how exactly this rule will affect the AVS? Will it be aplied to the age verification systems in whole, or will it be applied to EACH particular AVS site?

Any site which sells / grants access to urls which are not registered with VISA is considered non-compliant with VISA HRIPSP rules. AVS sites which have not gone through and registered EVERY webmaster and url belonging to their AVS is non-compliant (they are considered a non-registered HRIPSP).

If your sites belong to an AVS which has registered your urls then you will be monitored seperately just like all the other webmasters.

Clay
EPOCH

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff

Ummm... in layman's language, what does that mean for operations such as Adult Check, Cyberage etc?

It means they either have to change the way content is delivered ie all content comes from their own registered domains.

Or

They need to register all of their webmasters and urls and pay the fees.

Clay
EPOCH

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Epoch
Any site which sells / grants access to urls which are not registered with VISA is considered non-compliant with VISA HRIPSP rules.

Interesting

Therefore, would it not be prudent to assume that sites such as Google, Yahoo etc, are not allowed to bill using Visa, afterall, they 'grant access' to sites (of an adult nature) not registered with Visa Intl.

uranidiot · 09-30-2003, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
yeah. you're fucked stud money.

i overheard visa talking about you.. and it wasnt pretty.

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Nothing quite like getting around the sig rules.

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uranidiot

Nothing quite like getting around the sig rules.

See your username

BVF · 09-30-2003, 03:25 PM

I hope I don't have to pay sexkey for my sites....Since sexkey uses CCbill and I'm already registered with CCbill, I hope I'm granted an exception...I sure shouldn't have to pay twice..

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money

Interesting

Therefore, would it not be prudent to assume that sites such as Google, Yahoo etc, are not allowed to bill using Visa, afterall, they 'grant access' to sites (of an adult nature) not registered with Visa Intl.

I wonder if they are selling prechecks..LOL

dude they don't charge for access
plus they aren't considered high risk

Clay
EPOCH

uranidiot · 09-30-2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money

See your username

So you're saying you agree with breaking the sig rules?

Wouldn't you say that's a little presumptious of you, considering you're a guest on Lenman's board?

Well??

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uranidiot

So you're saying you agree with breaking the sig rules?

Wouldn't you say that's a little presumptious of you, considering you're a guest on Lenman's board?

Well??

Once again, see your username

GeXus · 09-30-2003, 03:31 PM

This is my perdiction..

Sites offering cheap trials and then converting to $40+ dollars a month, will suffer.

So trials may begin to wither. Sames goes for sites offering 1$ and rolling over to $40 etc..

Sites without good content, or that dont deliver what they promiss, will suffer.

So, Basically what will happen is.. All the BS sites will suffer, and the good sites, with good content will survive..

But wait... If less people are offering trials, or lets say NO one offers trials.. then people will be promoting regular monthly fees..

So what does this have to do with gallery conversions? Well.. TGP traffic converts much better with trial signups or cheap signups.. SO.. what will happen?

All TGPS will begin to only show thumbnails and no large pictures, therefore people will be more inclined to pay more for a monthly membership...

Ok.. Hey.. It could happen..

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Epoch

I wonder if they are selling prechecks..LOL

dude they don't charge for access
plus they aren't considered high risk

Clay
EPOCH

My point was, visa vie your response above:

Quote:

Any site which sells / grants access to urls which are not registered with VISA is considered non-compliant with VISA HRIPSP rules

That Google, Yahoo etc GRANT ACCESS (albeit free access) to adult/high risk sites. Does this open the potential up for companies such as Google etc being charged these fees based on what could potentially happen with the current AVS business model in the immediate future?

uranidiot · 09-30-2003, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money

Once again, see your username

That's not an answer Lee.

The question was - do you believe in breaking the sig rules?

Do you think that's a clever thing to do, considering you're a guest on Lenman's board?

Well??

Epoch · 09-30-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money

That Google, Yahoo etc GRANT ACCESS (albeit free access) to adult/high risk sites. Does this open the potential up for companies such as Google etc being charged these fees based on what could potentially happen with the current AVS business model in the immediate future?

No, because being able to access the sites from the SE is not dependent on someone entering their VISA credit card.number.

Clay
EPOCH

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Epoch
No, because being able to access the sites from the SE is not dependent on someone entering their VISA credit card.number.

Clay
EPOCH

Neither was it for one or more of the AVS sites that recently closed/changed their TOS.

Stud Money · 09-30-2003, 11:13 PM

bizump

wizz · 10-01-2003, 06:26 PM

I agree that delivering what you promise is a key to avoid chargebacks.
But you never know when you are going to get a chargeback. Some tools are
needed to fight back

pimplink · 10-01-2003, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
We're going to see some shit hit the fan before January, you can count on that.

Brad

Are you referring to the rumored .5% threshold or the cancellation of rebilling for porn sites?

adultwebware · 10-02-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twisted Dollar
Only the strong will survive

that's good for business.

09-30-2003, 01:38 PM	#1
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Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	The deadline where you have to have a charge back ratio of X % otherwise you lose your rebilling privellages.

09-30-2003, 01:48 PM	#7
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	And all the BS compliance stuff they want from us in addition to the %age crap.

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GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	This is my perdiction.. Sites offering cheap trials and then converting to $40+ dollars a month, will suffer. So trials may begin to wither. Sames goes for sites offering 1$ and rolling over to $40 etc.. Sites without good content, or that dont deliver what they promiss, will suffer. So, Basically what will happen is.. All the BS sites will suffer, and the good sites, with good content will survive.. But wait... If less people are offering trials, or lets say NO one offers trials.. then people will be promoting regular monthly fees.. So what does this have to do with gallery conversions? Well.. TGP traffic converts much better with trial signups or cheap signups.. SO.. what will happen? All TGPS will begin to only show thumbnails and no large pictures, therefore people will be more inclined to pay more for a monthly membership... Ok.. Hey.. It could happen.. __________________

09-30-2003, 11:13 PM	#36
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