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JMM · 10-01-2003, 01:04 PM

On January 29, 2002 I received a cease and desist letter via federal express from Internet PM ordering me to discontinue the use of the term " ADULT TURNKEY" on my company's design site. Shortly after receiving the letter, I called the president of Internet PM to discuss the matter. The pissant explained to me that he had the best lawyers in California and that I had 24 hours to remove the term from my websites or he would sue me.

Hogwash little pissant.

That afternoon, I contacted my attorney who handles intellectual property and we begun the processing of having the trademark office revoke the pissant's registered trademark.

Last week, the USPTO cancelled registration of the trademark " ADULT TURNKEY".

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=76000603

I guess the pissant hadn't yet heard of my attorney.

I would like to thank Brad Shaw for paying for 1/3 of the process to have the trademark revoked and cancelled. Many here are big talkers, Brad is one of the few who consistently puts his money where his mouth is. Thanks again Brad.

GoGoBar · 10-01-2003, 01:13 PM

Awaiting the owned pics...

Shok · 10-01-2003, 01:15 PM

if it didn't work out I would have changed it to ADULT TURKEY

oh and

Sharky · 10-01-2003, 01:17 PM

am I the only one who noticed that Steve workman is the attorney of record for that?

:-)

Correspondent (Owner)
STEVEN W WORKMAN (Attorney of record)

601973 BC.LTD

110-174 WILSON STREET CAX
VICTORIA BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA V9A 7

Domestic Representative
Steven W. Workman

BradShaw · 10-01-2003, 01:19 PM

Everyone who is selling turnkeys, please make sure you properly kiss my ass! Seriously though, Jeff did a great job going through all the procedures to fight this. I just wrote a check.

Sly_RJ · 10-01-2003, 01:19 PM

Congratulations. Somehow Brad keeps earning my respect. Shh... don't tell anyone!

JMM · 10-01-2003, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sharky
am I the only one who noticed that Steve workman is the attorney of record for that?

:-)

Correspondent (Owner)
STEVEN W WORKMAN (Attorney of record)

601973 BC.LTD

110-174 WILSON STREET CAX
VICTORIA BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA V9A 7

Domestic Representative
Steven W. Workman

Steve was the attorney of record on the registration. I do not believe he was involved in the cancellation proceedings.

Forest · 10-01-2003, 01:31 PM

Good Job!!!

WiredGuy · 10-01-2003, 01:34 PM

I'm curious as to two things:

1) Why did Brad Shaw offer to help pay to dissolute the TM? Not complaining, it's quite a nice thing for him to do, just wondering what he had to gain by it.

2) Isn't Steve Workman an in-house attorney for NetManagement? Name rings a bell, I remember talking to him a couple weeks ago about another legal matter.

WG

BradShaw · 10-01-2003, 01:39 PM

Steve was on retainer for a lot of webmasters before going to Net Management. In fact, he did my trademark paperwork for "amateur beaver", funny thing is that his current employer owns amateurbeaver.com

We sold 100's of turnkeys years ago (still do sell them, but they do not fly off the shelves like the old days). Made sense to support Jeff's fight.

JMM · 10-01-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I'm curious as to two things:

1) Why did Brad Shaw offer to help pay to dissolute the TM? Not complaining, it's quite a nice thing for him to do, just wondering what he had to gain by it.

2) Isn't Steve Workman an in-house attorney for NetManagement? Name rings a bell, I remember talking to him a couple weeks ago about another legal matter.

WG

Brad agreed to help pay the costs because he sells adult turnkeys (at least he used to). This was an issue that touched all designers that sell turnkeys. I contacted several others and none were interested in helping. Nice huh? People don't realize that these issues that come up touch us all. Some are willing to help, most become unavailable on ICQ. Pretty sad really.

The registration occurred when Steve was in private practice, before he went to work for Net Management.

WiredGuy · 10-01-2003, 01:43 PM

Thanks for clarifying these two points Brad and Jeff. And Congrats on the win.

WG

dantheman · 10-01-2003, 02:00 PM

I believe workman has resigned from net mangt also.

if I'm wrong dont sue me

Probono · 10-01-2003, 02:07 PM

Current Status: Registration canceled under Section 18.

? What is section 18? Ie: was this you cannot TYrademark a common use phrase?

brand0n · 10-01-2003, 02:26 PM

thats alot of pissant in 1 convo, congrads on the win.. fuckin pissants

JMM · 10-01-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
Current Status: Registration canceled under Section 18.

? What is section 18? Ie: was this you cannot TYrademark a common use phrase?

Yeah, something like that. If I get around to it (which I won't so don't wait for it) I will scan our pleadings and post them somewhere. Section 18 is the part of the trademark act which addresses cancellations and appeals.

I tried to explain to the pissant on the phone that I didn't think his registration would hold water. That is when he started in with the "best lawyers in california" and "I will sue you" bullshit.

He shouldn't ought to have done that.

WiredGuy · 10-01-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMM
I tried to explain to the pissant on the phone that I didn't think his registration would hold water. That is when he started in with the "best lawyers in california" and "I will sue you" bullshit.

He shouldn't ought to have done that.

I'd love to see his face now

WG

Serge_Oprano · 10-01-2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
Steve was on retainer for a lot of webmasters before going to Net Management. In fact, he did my trademark paperwork for "amateur beaver", funny thing is that his current employer owns amateurbeaver.com

We sold 100's of turnkeys years ago (still do sell them, but they do not fly off the shelves like the old days). Made sense to support Jeff's fight.

his current employer????

I thought he resigned just before I went to Italy...
no connection, of course
;-)))

BradShaw · 10-01-2003, 03:01 PM

I have enough trouble keeping up with my own employees, I can not keep up with JB and Joe's.

My experience with Steve Workman has always been very positive.

Tipsy · 10-01-2003, 03:02 PM

Almost makes you regain a little faith in the system. A huge

LeeNoga · 10-01-2003, 03:06 PM

Excellent outcome JMM, and thanks Brad for stepping up and financing a part of the case. Everyone benefits in the long run for whatever reasons you donated the cash....:-)))

makefuckingmoney · 10-01-2003, 03:09 PM

Wow this brings a tear to my eye..

Im so proud of both of you...

Ive raised you right boys..

Chris

makefuckingmoney · 10-01-2003, 03:11 PM

Did the other guy fight it?

Or was it like a default win for you?

Chris

MichaelP · 10-01-2003, 03:16 PM

Nice move Brad !

JMM · 10-01-2003, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Did the other guy fight it?

Or was it like a default win for you?

Chris

Yes. They filed a response to our challenge. Other than that, I don't know what transpired back and forth. I have not yet received the final file from my attorney.

BradShaw · 10-02-2003, 08:52 AM

Chris, is that a tear on my eye????

Sharky · 10-02-2003, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
My experience with Steve Workman has always been very positive.

Likewise.
Steve took very good care of me in the past.

KC · 10-02-2003, 09:04 AM

Congrats guys! Fuck these cock holsters

Hammer · 10-02-2003, 10:00 AM

My thanks to JMM and Brad. I never heard about this or I would have contributed. Fortunately for me my turnkeys are still flying off the shelf and I want to keep it that way.

Thanks guys.

Mike AI · 10-02-2003, 11:16 AM

As the traditional porn industry starts feeling heat of overexpansion, crack down by VISA, its hard for the cockholsters to continue their practices of ripping off surfers.

So now they are turning inside and going to go after their counterparts.... The whole patent things that have been going on, is part of this. I promise you there are people inside this industry who are working to undermine YOU, and to take the money that you have worked hard to earn....

Patents, trademarks on obvious silly things will be their weapons, and the attorneys will be their soldiers....

This is just one drop in the bucket!

Hats off to JMM who is the front line of this battle and fighting like a champ!!

titmowse · 10-02-2003, 02:47 PM

impressive

KRL · 10-02-2003, 02:55 PM

Nice! Very Nice JMM!

Did you grab that domain this week?

AdultTurnkeyWebSites.com dropped.

10-01-2003, 01:04 PM	#1
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	C&D me, you only fuck yourself. On January 29, 2002 I received a cease and desist letter via federal express from Internet PM ordering me to discontinue the use of the term " ADULT TURNKEY" on my company's design site. Shortly after receiving the letter, I called the president of Internet PM to discuss the matter. The pissant explained to me that he had the best lawyers in California and that I had 24 hours to remove the term from my websites or he would sue me. Hogwash little pissant. That afternoon, I contacted my attorney who handles intellectual property and we begun the processing of having the trademark office revoke the pissant's registered trademark. Last week, the USPTO cancelled registration of the trademark " ADULT TURNKEY". http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=76000603 I guess the pissant hadn't yet heard of my attorney. I would like to thank Brad Shaw for paying for 1/3 of the process to have the trademark revoked and cancelled. Many here are big talkers, Brad is one of the few who consistently puts his money where his mouth is. Thanks again Brad.

10-01-2003, 01:17 PM	#4
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	am I the only one who noticed that Steve workman is the attorney of record for that? :-) Correspondent (Owner) STEVEN W WORKMAN (Attorney of record) 601973 BC.LTD 110-174 WILSON STREET CAX VICTORIA BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA V9A 7 Domestic Representative Steven W. Workman __________________ Sharky

10-01-2003, 01:19 PM	#5
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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	I'm curious as to two things: 1) Why did Brad Shaw offer to help pay to dissolute the TM? Not complaining, it's quite a nice thing for him to do, just wondering what he had to gain by it. 2) Isn't Steve Workman an in-house attorney for NetManagement? Name rings a bell, I remember talking to him a couple weeks ago about another legal matter. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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10-01-2003, 01:39 PM	#10
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Steve was on retainer for a lot of webmasters before going to Net Management. In fact, he did my trademark paperwork for "amateur beaver", funny thing is that his current employer owns amateurbeaver.com We sold 100's of turnkeys years ago (still do sell them, but they do not fly off the shelves like the old days). Made sense to support Jeff's fight. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Thanks for clarifying these two points Brad and Jeff. And Congrats on the win. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I have enough trouble keeping up with my own employees, I can not keep up with JB and Joe's. My experience with Steve Workman has always been very positive. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Excellent outcome JMM, and thanks Brad for stepping up and financing a part of the case. Everyone benefits in the long run for whatever reasons you donated the cash....:-)))

10-01-2003, 03:09 PM	#22
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Wow this brings a tear to my eye.. Im so proud of both of you... Ive raised you right boys.. Chris

10-01-2003, 03:11 PM	#23
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Did the other guy fight it? Or was it like a default win for you? Chris

10-01-2003, 03:16 PM	#24
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