The blue lagoon - child porn?

[Libertine]

Let's face it, the only reason anyone could possibly want to see this disaster of a movie is to see a topless 14 year old Brooke Shields running around and showing off her body. So, is it child porn and should stuff like it be banned, or is it acceptable?

[dirtyone]

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Sec. 2256. - Definitions for chapter



For the purposes of this chapter, the term -

(1)

''minor'' means any person under the age of eighteen years;

(2)

''sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or simulated -

(A)

sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(B)

bestiality;

(C)

masturbation;

(D)

sadistic or masochistic abuse; or

(E)

lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

(3)

''producing'' means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;

(4)

''organization'' means a person other than an individual;

(5)

''visual depiction'' includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image;

(6)

''computer'' has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;

(7)

''custody or control'' includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;

(8)

''child pornography'' means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -

(A)

the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B)

such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(C)

such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

(D)

such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

(9)

''identifiable minor'' -

(A)

means a person -

(i)


(I)

who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or

(II)

whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and

(ii)

who is recognizable as an actual person by the person's face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and

(B)

shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor

[TheSaint]

I thought Brooke was hotter in "Pretty Baby".

[Libertine]

Originally posted by dirtyone
...

The movie has sex scenes.

[baddog]

Originally posted by punkworld


The movie has sex scenes.

''child pornography'' means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -

(A)

the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B)

such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(C)

such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

(D)

such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and



sexually explicit conduct

big difference

[tootie]

The movie was very touching. My parents let me watch it when I was 5 simply because they thought it was a beautiful and touching experience. It makes me cry every time I see it.

[baddog]

Originally posted by TheSaint
I thought Brooke was hotter in "Pretty Baby".

she was

[Xplicit]

I'd bang brooke in that movie.

[playa]

Whats up with these 20 something actors
playing High School teens having sex in the movies.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by baddog


''child pornography'' means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -

(A)

the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(B)

such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

(C)

such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

(D)

such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and



sexually explicit conduct

big difference

''sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or <b>simulated</b> -

(A)

sexual intercourse

[baddog]

Originally posted by tootie
The movie was very touching. My parents let me watch it when I was 5 simply because they thought it was a beautiful and touching experience. It makes me cry every time I see it.

I think they were just trying to scare you into being good, or they would put you alone on a desert island

[baddog]

Originally posted by punkworld



''sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or <b>simulated</b> -

(A)

sexual intercourse

they implied they fucked, they did not show them fucking

[Libertine]

Originally posted by baddog


they implied they fucked, they did not show them fucking

Actually, as far as I can remember, you see him on top of her. I believe there are three different versions of the movie though, one uncensored, one censored and one partially censored (with an 18+ body double for brooke shields).

But, anyway, you are completely missing the point. I am not asking whether laws are applicable to it or not, but if it should be considered child porn and if it should be banned or not. I'm asking a moral question, not a legal one.

[baddog]

Originally posted by punkworld


I'm asking a moral question, not a legal one.

oh, then how much money did it make?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by baddog


oh, then how much money did it make?

[Lane]

Originally posted by punkworld
I'm asking a moral question, not a legal one.

morality is relative.

porn isn't moral to a big % of people.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Lane


morality is relative.

porn isn't moral to a big % of people.

Is morality relative? What makes you think that?
And even if it is, does that mean we can't discuss moral issues?
And if it does, does that mean we should abandon all laws, since morals are the basis for laws and if our morals are only subjective, relative things which we can't even discuss with others?
If not, on what should laws be based then, if common morals are impossible?

[baddog]

Originally posted by punkworld


Is morality relative? What makes you think that?
And even if it is, does that mean we can't discuss moral issues?
And if it does, does that mean we should abandon all laws, since morals are the basis for laws and if our morals are only subjective, relative things which we can't even discuss with others?
If not, on what should laws be based then, if common morals are impossible?

yes

just do

no

no

the almighty dollar

[Lane]

Originally posted by punkworld


Is morality relative? What makes you think that?
And even if it is, does that mean we can't discuss moral issues?
And if it does, does that mean we should abandon all laws, since morals are the basis for laws and if our morals are only subjective, relative things which we can't even discuss with others?
If not, on what should laws be based then, if common morals are impossible?

give me examples of laws that are based on morals

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Lane


give me examples of laws that are based on morals

Pretty much all laws. Todays western legal systems are mainly based on Kantian and Christian ethics. Very basic example: murder is illegal, because human lives are considered intrinsically valuable, the word valuable not standing for the usual monetary definition but rather for a moral one.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by baddog


yes

just do

no

no

the almighty dollar

Any arguments for your position? And, if you think laws should be based on money, does that mean you would be in favor of legalizing selling children as sex-slaves if it would be good for the economy?

[Lane]

Originally posted by punkworld


Pretty much all laws. Todays western legal systems are mainly based on Kantian and Christian ethics. Very basic example: murder is illegal, because human lives are considered intrinsically valuable, the word valuable not standing for the usual monetary definition but rather for a moral one.

its illegal because you take away someones right to live. morality doesn't affect the existence of that law.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Lane


its illegal because you take away someones right to live. morality doesn't affect the existence of that law.

Ehm... you don't quite seem to grasp what morals hold. Someone's right to live is a "moral law", a right only derived from your own moral position. "People have the right to live" is a moral position, as is "people don't have a right to live".

[bugout]

uh.. back to the top,

She, and the producers stated various times that there was a body double for the nude scenes. Try finding her face and tit in the same shot.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Lane


its illegal because you take away someones right to live. morality doesn't affect the existence of that law.

Of course it does.

Once upon a time there were no laws against murdering people. You could kill anyone you wanted and take whatever they had.

Societies as a whole determined that probably wasn't a nice thing to do. It was bad. It was immoral. So they made laws against killing people.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by bugout
uh.. back to the top,

She, and the producers stated various times that there was a body double for the nude scenes. Try finding her face and tit in the same shot.

Try a quick search on kazaa

[baddog]

Originally posted by punkworld


Any arguments for your position? And, if you think laws should be based on money, does that mean you would be in favor of legalizing selling children as sex-slaves if it would be good for the economy?

not tonight, proably not

[Ic3m4nZ]

Listen there is nothing wrong to see a girl of 14 topless.. in some places it's legal..

Even Michael Jackson sleeps with childs

[bugout]

Originally posted by punkworld


Try a quick search on kazaa

And this is the only thing I found..

Can't say that i see her face and tits in the same shot.. do you?

Bugout

[Blondie23]

Originally posted by punkworld
Let's face it, the only reason anyone could possibly want to see this disaster of a movie is to see a topless 14 year old Brooke Shields running around and showing off her body. So, is it child porn and should stuff like it be banned, or is it acceptable?

My parents used to video tape movies for us, but stop recording during all the naughty parts - they did this to Blue lagoon, and there was barely any movie left.
Eventually i saw the real movie when i was about 12.. and thought it was one of the most erotic things i'd ever seen.
I think i promised myself at that point, i'd work in porn one day

[rowan]

I haven't seen "Return to the Blue Lagoon" for years, but I'm pretty sure you could see Milla Jovovich's nipples at the very bottom of the screen... with her face clearly on the rest of it. I can't remember if that was a sexual scene, or it was just something simple like getting changed.

If it was released in 1991 that means she was 16-17 at the time it was released...

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ

Even Michael Jackson sleeps with childs

Best argument of the thread.

[baddog]

Return to the Blue Lagoon? You are kidding, right?

[rowan]

Originally posted by baddog
Return to the Blue Lagoon? You are kidding, right?

You mean is that a real movie? I'm afraid so.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0102782/

[Resolute]

So much for Brooke !!

What about Christopher Atkins ??

Does he pull himself off as he did in the original Blue Lagoon ??

[Blondie23]

Originally posted by Resolute
So much for Brooke !!

What about Christopher Atkins ??

Does he pull himself off as he did in the original Blue Lagoon ??

I still have nightmares of Christopher Atkins and being forced to run my fingers thru that blonde fro..
I guess it was the 80s though.. we should be thankful it wasn't a mullet.

[baddog]

Originally posted by rowan


You mean is that a real movie? I'm afraid so.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0102782/

I was asking, I never heard of return. . . . .what was it about? Still have Brooke in it?

[foolio]

but it is an american classic!

[steffie]

I have always loved that movie, when I grew up and today. My daughters watched it (we own the originial non cut version) and love it.

Let's get real -- If you would be on island for years with a boy and you be that age, you would do the same thing

However I grew up in the 60's and 70's
I grew up in FKK Camps (nudist camps)

I think way to many people are uptight. When my oldest was little (late 70's) we used to go to public pools (in Germany) where he ran around naked and played. Nobody thought it was weird

And yeah I have pictures of my kids in the bathtub naked playing with the duckie and like my mom told me (my parents have those bathtub pictures of me too)

"When you get older I will show those pictures to your husband or boyfriend"

Sad - We went back to the stone ages - Sad

[BVF]

who cares? the movie was shot in the fucking 70's.....WAY before 2257 laws...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by TheSaint
I thought Brooke was hotter in "Pretty Baby".

obviously Punkworld hasnt seen that one

hahaha

nothing beats child prostitution.

lolita or not, art or not, you take a kid and whore her out, not THATS a movie!

Pretty Baby, was her best performance

Hollywood has ALWAYS SUPPORTED rape, incest, and undeage sex.

Death Wish, I Spit On Your grave, Lolita, Pretty baby, etc are all proof.

hahaha

[baddog]

Originally posted by BVF
who cares? the movie was shot in the fucking 70's.....WAY before 2257 laws...

good point

[candyflip]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


obviously Punkworld hasnt seen that one

hahaha

nothing beats child prostitution.

lolita or not, art or not, you take a kid and whore her out, not THATS a movie!

Pretty Baby, was her best performance

Hollywood has ALWAYS SUPPORTED rape, incest, and undeage sex.

Death Wish, I Spit On Your grave, Lolita, Pretty baby, etc are all proof.

hahaha

They made that known to everyone this year by giving Roman Polanski an oscar.

[MattO]

Interesting that Sexeducation said The Blue Lagoon was one of his favorite movies.

[Ross]

Never heard of this movie!