Is it okay to gank someone's shit? - GoFuckYourself.com

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 10:09 AM

In a thread that has been locked, it was pointed out by Amp that his design and Adult.com's $10 concept had been ripped off.

Here's my question. At what point is it okay to copy an idea and brush it off as merely the cost of doing business?

There are two ideas here that when added together, IMO, become a unique concept. The first part is the design, which admittedly is not original and the second part is the low price, which is also not original. However, the combination of the two seems to be where the difference lies. If the design or the price had been copied in any different combination I doubt if Amp would have brought this up, but considering the similarities in the designs I think the addition of the under $10 pricing model makes this far more than a coincidence.

Here's another point. Some of you have stated that the fact that the sites were shown off at Internext, which was 6 weeks prior to the actual roll out has some sort of bearing on the issue. I don't see the logic in that argument.

Let me illustrate my last point with an analogy and then I'd like to hear some feedback on my thoughts. Suppose I answer a call from a large corporation looking for a design firm and they ask each firm to submit some design ideas from which they will select the finalist to design a completely new corporate identity as well as their annual report. Several firms submit designs and then several weeks later all of the firms receive an email thanking them for their submissions but that the company has decided to do the work in-house. Some time later one of the designers sees that company's new logo and annual report are remarkebly similar to the ones he submitted. Should it matter that the designs were seen prior to any of the firms actually being hired? Of course not, the designs were completed and the ideas were stolen. Period.

Sly_RJ · 09-25-2003, 10:12 AM

The bid entry most likely would have allowed for that situation.

On top of that, the design firm would have been stupid to submit "ideas". That's what portfolios are for. Don't leak your shit if you don't want people "copying" your ideas.

Ross · 09-25-2003, 10:13 AM

Its not fair to copy someones stuff. No matter who you are!

People work hard to come up with innovative idea's so why should others be allowed to steak those idea's and change them slightly?

quiet · 09-25-2003, 10:14 AM

gankity gank.

Tofu · 09-25-2003, 10:15 AM

beemk · 09-25-2003, 10:16 AM

all designs are public domains

Carrie · 09-25-2003, 10:18 AM

Okay then. How much does Adult.com owe OxCash for using their Bangbus design?

sextoyking · 09-25-2003, 10:19 AM

Ross, Hammer, whoever.

Let's be crystal clear on this ok.

It's one thing to come up with a similar idea / program as someone else, but it's totally another thing to say someones designs were copied.

I take that very seriously when it comes to our companies.

Our team was given a project to do and we did it. All original work, etc.

thanks

Todd

NBDesign · 09-25-2003, 10:19 AM

What does the word "gank" mean? Who comes up with these new words?

sexeducation · 09-25-2003, 10:23 AM

Businesses react to each other all the time.
One gas station lowers it's price and they all copy the same price for their "market".

Once a winning idea is launched - it always gets "copied". If the idea was so unique and so original it should have been patented.

$50 dollars per month for "porn" is just a rip off.
With so much free stuff out there a $10 model was a logical conclusion not an original idea.

I look forward to investigating Adult Platinums programs.
10 buck access - YAAAA mega kewl.

<IMX> · 09-25-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
gankity gank.

Wow this is like deja vu all over again.

Last year it was pink4free.com, join4free.com, freeezinebucks.com, fantasyman who's the thief marry-go-round.

Yeah, the program is a total knock-off.

So, what. More to come.

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
The bid entry most likely would have allowed for that situation.

On top of that, the design firm would have been stupid to submit "ideas". That's what portfolios are for. Don't leak your shit if you don't want people "copying" your ideas.

The government, non-profit corporations and many other large companies do this routinely when they call for bids on a project. The firms that really want the work submit several concepts (not necessarily completed designs) along with the bid proposal. This is done in good faith and the designs are copyrighted to the designer as soon as they are put down on paper. If that company then does not hire that designer but produces the work in-house and there are enough similarities, that designer has a legal case.

Judging from some of the comments made in the other thread it seems to me that there are too many non professionals doing adult design work that don't understand how business works. My point was, the fact that the designs were unveiled at Internext, which was 6 weeks prior to the actual roll out of the websites has no bearing on whether or not it was okay to copy the designs and the pricing model. Unless of course you are totally ignorant of the law and say that designs are public domain. That's real intelligent. I suppose he also believes that photographs on the internet are public domain too and he is free to use them on his website.

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign
What does the word "gank" mean? Who comes up with these new words?

That was Amp's term and apparently is ebonics for rip off.

XxXotic · 09-25-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign
What does the word "gank" mean? Who comes up with these new words?

its hardly a new word. it means the same as steal

Sly_RJ · 09-25-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hammer
I suppose he also believes that photographs on the internet are public domain too and he is free to use them on his website.

Terrible analogy.

* Matrix photographs Sky Lopez posing in a black bikini on a white background.

* Focus Adult photographs - name your model - posing in a black bikini on a white background.

Better analogy.

NBDesign · 09-25-2003, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxXotic
its hardly a new word. it means the same as steal

New to me... never heard it before lol...

Thanks

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Terrible analogy.

* Matrix photographs Sky Lopez posing in a black bikini on a white background.

* Focus Adult photographs - name your model - posing in a black bikini on a white background.

Better analogy.

I'm not sure I was making an analogy there I was just making a sarcastic point about how silly it sounds to say designs are public domain.

Here's an analogy for you.

A guy at Ford designs a new car that looks almost identical to a Corvette. They both have wheels, doors, seats, engines and all the other things cars have but the 'look' of the cars is virtually identical. Are car designs public domain? Do you think anyone at Chevrolet would have anything to say?

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Ross, Hammer, whoever.

Let's be crystal clear on this ok.

It's one thing to come up with a similar idea / program as someone else, but it's totally another thing to say someones designs were copied.

I take that very seriously when it comes to our companies.

Our team was given a project to do and we did it. All original work, etc.

thanks

Todd

I'm not saying anyone copied anything or passing judgement, although I find it hard to believe that the designs and the pricing model were both developed indepentently by two different companies at the same exact time.

TheEbonyFelony · 09-25-2003, 10:48 AM

recognize my name ..da original ganksta

XxXotic · 09-25-2003, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign

New to me... never heard it before lol...

Thanks

np, it's old school

h2ohjosh · 09-25-2003, 10:58 AM

beemk says "all designs are public domains".

Expect to recieve a summons if you plan on stealing design.

EvilToyBoy · 09-25-2003, 11:11 AM

Gates stole from Jobs who stole from Xerox... otherwise none of us would be here

Does that mean that if the 49ers used the Miami 3 wideouts they are ganking?

Inspiration comes in many guises.

Hammer · 09-25-2003, 11:35 AM

The consensus appears to be that it's okay to gank someone's shit cause big corporations do it all the time. It may not be right, but hey, if it's good enough for Pepsi and Microsoft, then it's good enough for me.

gregtx · 09-25-2003, 12:28 PM

Hammer.. who did you "gank" the idea to build a free site from??

or is building a free site your "original" idea

On-top · 09-25-2003, 12:56 PM

Original ideas : copied ideas = 1 : 1,000,000

beemk · 09-25-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by h2ohjosh
beemk says "all designs are public domains".

Expect to recieve a summons if you plan on stealing design.

sorry ignore that comment, it was meant for people with a sense of humor. btw, try the quote feature its pretty useful.

lock · 09-25-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
all designs are public domains

Images can be copywritten html cant reason being some one would copyright blank page when the two are mixed images and text then it can be copywritten.

<html>
hahahahahaha>
<title></title>
</head>
hahahahahaha>
</html>

that would be a bit rough if you had to pay a royalty for that.

Just being technical not excusing anyone be original be first.

lock · 09-25-2003, 04:42 PM

bizaar i just had my thread changed before it was posted

<html>
hahahahahaha>
<title></title>
</head>
hahahahahaha>
</html>

i wrote that instead of hahahahaha

lock · 09-25-2003, 04:43 PM

ok it just didnt like html

snowpimp · 09-25-2003, 05:40 PM

" Is it okay to gank someone's shit? "

lol, i thought this thread was about weed

09-25-2003, 10:09 AM	#1
Hammer Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 961	Is it okay to gank someone's shit? In a thread that has been locked, it was pointed out by Amp that his design and Adult.com's $10 concept had been ripped off. Here's my question. At what point is it okay to copy an idea and brush it off as merely the cost of doing business? There are two ideas here that when added together, IMO, become a unique concept. The first part is the design, which admittedly is not original and the second part is the low price, which is also not original. However, the combination of the two seems to be where the difference lies. If the design or the price had been copied in any different combination I doubt if Amp would have brought this up, but considering the similarities in the designs I think the addition of the under $10 pricing model makes this far more than a coincidence. Here's another point. Some of you have stated that the fact that the sites were shown off at Internext, which was 6 weeks prior to the actual roll out has some sort of bearing on the issue. I don't see the logic in that argument. Let me illustrate my last point with an analogy and then I'd like to hear some feedback on my thoughts. Suppose I answer a call from a large corporation looking for a design firm and they ask each firm to submit some design ideas from which they will select the finalist to design a completely new corporate identity as well as their annual report. Several firms submit designs and then several weeks later all of the firms receive an email thanking them for their submissions but that the company has decided to do the work in-house. Some time later one of the designers sees that company's new logo and annual report are remarkebly similar to the ones he submitted. Should it matter that the designs were seen prior to any of the firms actually being hired? Of course not, the designs were completed and the ideas were stolen. Period. __________________ Porn Site Pros - Custom Website Design, Turnkey Webcam and Pay Sites, SEO, and Consulting

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