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Morgan · 09-23-2003, 11:24 PM

I havent had enough experience in the paysite business to come up with an answer yet but... The most common payout for partnership is 60%. What is the highest % a paysite owner could offer without losing money? 75%?

Sly_RJ · 09-23-2003, 11:26 PM

I did some "speculation" numbers the other night, and I would be able to pay out 75% and still make a couple extra bucks. Of course, that's 75% AFTER the processor fee.

playa · 09-23-2003, 11:26 PM

well lets see,, the average proccessing fee is 15%

Morgan · 09-23-2003, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by playa
well lets see,, the average proccessing fee is 15%

I have 9.9% but.... whos counting? Give it 15 though... that leaves 85%. how much you actually think you spend on hosting/content/etc...?

integrated · 09-23-2003, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

I have 9.9% but.... whos counting? Give it 15 though... that leaves 85%. how much you actually think you spend on hosting/content/etc...?

id say they wouldnt want to go much over 80%

Sly_RJ · 09-23-2003, 11:30 PM

Hosting and content depend on volume. The more members you push through, the less it costs per member.

4Pics · 09-23-2003, 11:32 PM

The norm is 50% I think and some pay 60%, but any that pay more then 60% typically have popups you don't get paid for or cross sells that can make your rentention not last.

drunkdollars · 09-23-2003, 11:34 PM

We pay 50% before processors. Ill do a test with 10 people and pay them 75% before processors for life LOL

Morgan · 09-23-2003, 11:38 PM

hey 4pics... your a neighbor... hit me up on icq...

Rochard · 09-23-2003, 11:39 PM

Hosting and content isn't the only two expenses.

- Payroll: For 12 employees, including customer support.
- Office Space: For said employees.
- Computer Equiptment: For said 12 employees, plus lap tops for marketing who travels on the road. To be 100% legal you have to PURCHASE your software - Do you know how much MS office costs these days?
- Marketing Expenses: Marketing people don't go on the road and pay for this out of their own pocket. Plane flights, rental cars, hotel rooms, booze...... It adds up quickly.
- Promotional Events: Don't get me started.

I could go on...... Cameras? Legal Fees? Shit like Acacia? Accountants?

integrated · 09-23-2003, 11:40 PM

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Do you know how much MS office costs these days

100 dollars

Morgan · 09-23-2003, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Hosting and content isn't the only two expenses.

- Payroll: For 12 employees, including customer support.
- Office Space: For said employees.
- Computer Equiptment: For said 12 employees, plus lap tops for marketing who travels on the road. To be 100% legal you have to PURCHASE your software - Do you know how much MS office costs these days?
- Marketing Expenses: Marketing people don't go on the road and pay for this out of their own pocket. Plane flights, rental cars, hotel rooms, booze...... It adds up quickly.
- Promotional Events: Don't get me started.

I could go on...... Cameras? Legal Fees? Shit like Acacia? Accountants?

i can run the ENTIRE paysite by myself! Im pretty good at marketing too!

integrated · 09-23-2003, 11:41 PM

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i can run the ENTIRE paysite by myself! Im pretty good at marketing too!

the only problem you got is making money doing it

drunkdollars · 09-23-2003, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
Hosting and content isn't the only two expenses.

- Payroll: For 12 employees, including customer support.
- Office Space: For said employees.
- Computer Equiptment: For said 12 employees, plus lap tops for marketing who travels on the road. To be 100% legal you have to PURCHASE your software - Do you know how much MS office costs these days?
- Marketing Expenses: Marketing people don't go on the road and pay for this out of their own pocket. Plane flights, rental cars, hotel rooms, booze...... It adds up quickly.
- Promotional Events: Don't get me started.

I could go on...... Cameras? Legal Fees? Shit like Acacia? Accountants?

With the type in you guys prolly get from some domains you should have that covered

Lane · 09-23-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

i can run the ENTIRE paysite by myself! Im pretty good at marketing too!

good luck making a reasonable amount of money with a single site

quiet · 09-23-2003, 11:48 PM

Sly_RJ · 09-23-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

good luck making a reasonable amount of money with a single site

I know a few one-man operations who run very successful sites.

Morgan · 09-23-2003, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane

good luck making a reasonable amount of money with a single site

if you believe that, you're sadly mistaken..

SleazyDream · 09-24-2003, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

i can run the ENTIRE paysite by myself! Im pretty good at marketing too!

you ain't no lightspeed dude. not by a longshot

Sly_RJ · 09-24-2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

you ain't no lightspeed dude. not by a longshot

He never said he was. But to imply that a larger operation (example: LightSpeed) is needed to make a nice little profit is ridiculous. There are plenty of people living well from their paysites ran from their home office.

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

you ain't no lightspeed dude. not by a longshot

you have no idea what i am. you got a problem with me?

SleazyDream · 09-24-2003, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

you have no idea what i am. you got a problem with me?

yes - i do.

what the fuck you gona do about it?

let me guess , you'll stomp around your bedroom and say bad things about me to the wall till your mommy tells you to stop making so much noise and you finally come up with something smart and mildly whitty to post on this thread.

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

yes - i do.

what the fuck you gona do about it?

let me guess , you'll stomp around your bedroom and say bad things about me to the wall till your mommy tells you to stop making so much noise and you finally come up with something smart and mildly whitty to post on this thread.

whatever guy. whats your problem anyhow??? your dick didnt pop out tonight when you wanted to beat off you fat pile of shit?

GrimShawn · 09-24-2003, 12:56 AM

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

yes - i do.

what the fuck you gona do about it?

let me guess , you'll stomp around your bedroom and say bad things about me to the wall till your mommy tells you to stop making so much noise and you finally come up with something smart and mildly whitty to post on this thread.

btw, i created this thread... didnt just post on it. did you feel this was an attack on you?

integrated · 09-24-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

yes - i do.

what the fuck you gona do about it?

let me guess , you'll stomp around your bedroom and say bad things about me to the wall till your mommy tells you to stop making so much noise and you finally come up with something smart and mildly whitty to post on this thread.

you pretty much are a homo

calm · 09-24-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Lane
good luck making a reasonable amount of money with a single site

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

subtle

<IMX> · 09-24-2003, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

you have no idea what i am. you got a problem with me?

Ganja has a hot site and promotes some other sites really well.

What is your icq btw??

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by <IMX>

Ganja has a hot site and promotes some other sites really well.

What is your icq btw??

see the sig homie!

CamChicks · 09-24-2003, 02:20 AM

% doesn't mean anything until it is multiplied by conversions.

35% x 1:100 > 80% x 1:500

eroswebmaster · 09-24-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by <IMX>

Ganja has a hot site and promotes some other sites really well.

What is your icq btw??

Not to mention has made quite a tidy sum at it

Dude I'm still here thx to you and Phil.

swami · 09-24-2003, 03:51 AM

Getting back to the topic boys and girls,Topbucks pays 80% revenue for sales over 75 per period.

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Not to mention has made quite a tidy sum at it

Dude I'm still here thx to you and Phil.

Thanks eros!!! I think he's just a sad sad man, he cant help himself.

PerfectionGirls · 09-24-2003, 08:43 AM

Rochard has it right.... to run a network of sites takes more then one person and ALOT more money then people can imagin. god.. I wish it were only processing and BW.

I ran 5 sites on my own and made enough to cover my bills and a bit extra... we did not take off until we hired some great people.. then it just went nuts. One site can be done on ones own, but man... its hard to make money when you have more then one or two sites.... you get pulled to many directions and areas of your business began to suffer.

ryph · 09-24-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

Is there ANYWAY I'll be able to ask ya one tiny lil question?
t0mmy -at- optonline.net

Rochard · 09-24-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

i can run the ENTIRE paysite by myself! Im pretty good at marketing too!

You can?

Let me introduce you to BryanY. He edits all our pictures, makes our videos, and updates all of the sites. I believe he does 45 updates spread out across 24 sites - every week.

So that takes up your time five days a week - which doesn't take into consideration that you have to shoot the content yourself or deal with 7000 plus webmasters. What the hell do you do when you have to go a show in Florida for the better part of a week? Who's gonna deal with your webmasters and do customer support?

Yes, you can run a single site on your own. A single web site updated once or twice a week - no problem. But one person can't maintain 24 websites, deal with customer support, webmasters, and marketing.

clubsexy · 09-24-2003, 09:18 AM

Good thread Ganj!

Makes me rethink my approch and wonder if being a one man band will ever cut it?

rebel23 · 09-24-2003, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard

Do you know how much MS office costs these days?

use openoffice or star office, dont have to pay M$ shit

Lane · 09-24-2003, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I know a few one-man operations who run very successful sites.

i dont deny that

but not everyone can become another quiet, just because they can operate the site

Theo · 09-24-2003, 09:43 AM

there's no doubt that big operations require many many human hours.

Personally if the site retains and converts (which means it is frequently updated and most probably with exclusive content) im satisfied with 50% partnership.

sweetcuties · 09-24-2003, 10:28 AM

I'm a 1 man show and I operate 4 sites myself... with my partner that makes is 2 (3 soon). It can be done but it depends how far you wanna go and how much $$ you wanna make! I do very well with no complaints. Sure, I'm not as big as quiet or a few others but I'm within the top 1% of people other there, so I'm happy. I shoot all content, updates and all the other stuff involved. Just my 1

Morgan · 09-24-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard

You can?

Let me introduce you to BryanY. He edits all our pictures, makes our videos, and updates all of the sites. I believe he does 45 updates spread out across 24 sites - every week.

So that takes up your time five days a week - which doesn't take into consideration that you have to shoot the content yourself or deal with 7000 plus webmasters. What the hell do you do when you have to go a show in Florida for the better part of a week? Who's gonna deal with your webmasters and do customer support?

Yes, you can run a single site on your own. A single web site updated once or twice a week - no problem. But one person can't maintain 24 websites, deal with customer support, webmasters, and marketing.

yes. im sure if i had a shitload of sites then it would be a different story, but no problem in running one paysite all by myself.

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