Both ATK and Karups do fabulously well. Could they do better if they offered per signup? Dunno. I think they are doing so well that they just don't want to deal with the headaches and liabilities that PPS brings, they don't even push their revshare programs hard and ATK is picky as to whom they will even allow to send them traffic on a revshare basis. Mel Brooks said it best 'It's good to be the king!'

Those two brand names are so strong that thousands and thousands of signups find their way to those sites all on their own.

More and more people are waking up to the fact that exclusive content is the way to go long term - guarantee you that no program spends as much on exclusive content as ATK, not even Bangbros who run several exclusive content sites across two programs.

hmmmmmmmm....... actually doing rough calculation, Bangbros/Ox/Nasty together would spend about the equivalent of ATK on fresh content.

From an affiliate standpoint, I prefer per signup. My job is to deliver the surfer & get him to sign up. It's the sponsor's job to retain him, not mine.

:2 cents:

Simple fact, DON'T do Percentages with big boy programs, they SUCK ass at recurring. I mean they charge $39.95 +cross sells and you can be sure the recurring sucks ass with that. Tell the truth I have no idea how these big boys keep paying out $35 per signup cause there recurring is just plain scary. I think they make a lot on mass emailing there current members with offers to there other sites. + I'm 100% sure some are shaving a certain percentage to stop themselfs losing money.

50/50 $20-30 program kick ass when done professionally and properly, the recurring with unique members areas and A LOT of members content and daily updates. We added daily updates to our members video area a new big ass 25 minute clip in 4 formats ever day and our recurring is now rocking

I am about to launch a program paying per signup for mature traffic, but no where near 40 USD per signup. The reason for this is that there will be no exit consoles and no crossbilling. (and third party statistics.)

I hope people will give it a chance :)

So, if some program opens tomorrow paying 40 USD per trial you will go straight to them? Without even asking yourself how they can afford it, since they are new?

It is not like you can check if the people behind a program have good financial backing unless they have been around long. (like Adult.com, CECash, HiRise, etc.)

I basically run my own sites, but I have a fair few 'serious' traffic generating sites (forums, reviews etc.). So way back I decided to push other peoples pay sites (bit of variety wouldn't hurt ? :)). I started with the glamourous PPS. So much up front! Bit down the line I decided to try a couple of revshare programs. After 6 months or so of that, now it's all revshare. Not a PPS in sight. Not saying revshare is for everyone, but it knocks spots of PPS for me. I'm still getting paid for signups I generated over a year ago. Thats over $200 for one signup and still increasing. No PPS can compete with that.

Yes - it takes (way) longer to get the cash, yes - you need to watch who the processor is. yes - you have to be way, way, way more picky with the sites you promote. But no point in having experience in this biz if you don't use it :)

Revshares are for newbies

PPS is for real webmasters that know #s

From personal experience I know that two of those three perform brilliantly, leaving every PPS program in the shade. I would add score-cash to that list as well.

Unrelated to your post, but to avoid posting twice, I will also add that it seems to be a popular idea that revshare programs are automatically honest. At the very least that is naive. In fact if I wanted really cheap signups that I could play the same tricks on that some PPS sponsors are guilty of, what better way than revshare?

The payment method doesn't affect site quality or program honesty. Those are entirely down to the business practises of individual program operators.

good thread :thumbsup

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Bullshit. Your preformance as a webmasters is measured as amount of signups per traffic. How the money rolls in is personal preference.

I think it is funny that revshare has 2 arguments:

1) PPS has to fuck the surfer to pay that kind of money.

2) in the long run you make more with revshare.

I doubt nastydollars is having rebill problems on their shit.

certainly not only 60% revshare, expecially when you are cross selling to 2 other sites at 39.95$ which rebills before the main site does. so the affiliate get's a trial sign up. they get slammed with 2 cross sales at 80$ before they are charged for their membership which they only get 60% rev share. next month they will probably not have as much money on their credit card because they most likely didn't know they had those cross sales checked. so they will get rebilled for 1 or 2 of the cross sales and the main site which the affiliate get's the sale for will be denied because they don't have enough money on their credit card. paid trials should convert 50 - 80% depending on niche. but then they will be ass raped by the charge backs because of your cross sales, 60% rev share with 2 cross sales which are worth 4 times the value of the original sale is more like 20% rev share to the webmaster :2 cents: :2 cents:

Well I will offer $50 per a signup to anyone can do over 10 signups a day with me.

On these sites.

www.raremoviesite.com
www.mens-network.com
www.volumepills.com
www.prosolutionpills.com

No shaving, no cross sales, u get paid on exit popups etc.

I agree that partnership for the most part is better on a higher volume of sales. And yes a recurring income base does take a while to build up. And money up front is awfully nice. Recurring may be better in the long run, but you have bills to pay today.
So why not utilize both?
Do your PPS take your upfront money and build your recurring at the same time ... once your recurring is built up you will have 2 very nice rev streams.

Breaking away from the PPS/Revshare argument and getting back to the question at hand... and these answers aren't just for revshare sponsors, they're for any sponsor.

I don't need free hosting. I'm in this for the long haul, I know there are costs to running a business - I have my own domains and my own servers. Offering free hosting invites questionable webmasters, IMO.
I don't need free hosted galleries.
I don't need free hosted free sites.
I don't need gallery generators, or free site generators. I know the business takes work to make money and I'm willing to do that.

What I need/want is:
- a user/pass to go in to your site(s) and look around, maybe take some screencaps. The better I can truthfully get excited about what's inside, the better I can sell it. Even if the password only works for an hour - hell I only need 15 minutes to see if your member's area will retain.

- content; preferably of the girls that are on the tour. Don't watermark it, don't resize it to 450max pixels (I can't use it unless it's 550 or 600 on the long side), and at least 15 *softcore* pics. Sure, the 40-pic sets for webmasters to use sound nice, but if 35 of them are insertion then I can't use them. The surfer's going to get off before he even gets to your tour.
By watermarking I mean putting a URL on there - I don't care if your logo is on the pics, but putting a full URL on the pics is a fucking insult - could you attempt to steal my traffic any more blatantly? Why not just put a little picture of a razor next to the URL also to add insult to injury?

- an option to send to a clean tour, whether it is an alternate URL or a variable on the URL that signals no pops, so that I can send PPC traffic etc straight to your tour.

- FPAs that are coded correctly. It truly sucks to have to go through an FPA and fix broken tables, bad coding, and screwed up (or conveniently forgotten) affiliate links.

- Decent odd-sized banners that don't look like my 5-yr old made them.

- Clean site logos available for us to use would be *truly* helpful, to save us the time of screen-capping your tour and then having to mask out the girl/text/images that are intruding onto the site logo.

- Referral URLs or traffic tracking via URL varialbes in the stats area. Let me know which traffic is performing best.

I have one sponsor that will allow me to send him URLs of content sets for his site that I've seen, he'll buy them and put them in his member's area and then make them available for my use in promoting his site. We both get something out of it and I can be assured the surfer will find that girl in the site.

If you don't offer free content, then at least be willing to tell me where you bought yours so that I can go grab a set to use in promotion. And I'm talking a set or two, not a $500 CD. I'm NOT going to spend $500 just to promote your site.

If you've got a microniche that you understand but I might not, then take the time to post some URLs where I can research the niche OR write up a small article telling me how best to sell it (ie: for BBW it's better to play up how fun-loving and happy she is rather than capitalizing on what a huge disgusting pig she is etc).

I really like the talk of "signup OR %age, whichever is more" that has popped up in this thread. I'd like to see a full list of sponsors that offer that.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I ran a gallery about 18 months ago and got a grand total of 2 sign-ups at $14.97 each. However both the guys who signed up have stayed with it and now, a year and a half later, I've made over 500 bucks from them.
I think you have to do both types and really diversify when it comes to promoting sponsors. It doesn't happen as often as you might think, but people do go bad in this business and people get stiffed.

What Carrie said... It constantly pisses me off that in a sense my payouts are being affected by the cost of the sponsor's webmaster promotions and all that newbie "free" stuff.

well i have signed up for a couple partnership programs and they are loseing lots of money but not doing some things the top sponsors are doing.

1) They don't email their members at all.That is just plain stupid
2) No upsells in the members area .Offer them a big penise site or dating site
3) Offer the surfers a lower monthly membership price when they try to cancel the membership or offer more sites for the same price
4) Even when the surfer cancels add their user name and password to your own free avs site with only your sites inside.So later on maybe you can sell them again.This is like haveing a tgp where everyone has used their credit card before to buy porn
5) How about some exit consoles

fiddy + fiddy

well I just sold a Socal cash and the $1.00 I got is not going to make me jump through hoops to send more traffic.

Just looked and it has retained! WOOHOO now I have $12.00 and 30 days from now if I am lucky I will have $23.00 and 30 days after that if I am really really lucky I might get the same as Topbucks signup.