This is the key to all quality sites. Rev Share or PPS....

We have been doing our OWN Custom content since 1996...
We have shot over 1.5 million photos, 500 hours of video.

We have been shifting from still to video.... and it is paying off.

:glugglug

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What does it take to get webmaster to leave a PPS program for %?
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common sense.
How do you think the big boys become big?

i hate sigs with sound

So TRUE! PPS has no risk for the webmaster and that just makes life easier.

"What does it take to get webmaster to leave a PPS program for %?"

Alot of drugs, alot of booze and some real mean pussy.

Here's my POV...

PPS:
(+) You see your $$$ more quickly.
(+) Multiple billing options.
(-) Different stats interfaces and logins for each individual sponsor.
(-) Potential for shaving. It's harder to trust a new sponsor who is counting and sending the checks to you directly.
(-) Higher level of affiliate fraud (which indirectly affects honest affiliates)
(-) Programs often have excessive consoles and/or cross billing to get the full payout.

Revshare (via third party biller):
(+) Longer term recurring value if the site is good.
(+) Stats via third party, plus most processors allow you to view multiple programs under a single login
(+) Cleaner tours with fewer consoles, or none at all.
(-) Usually only a single billing processor available (if there's no backup, the site loses a potential sale; if there is a backup, you probably don't get credited for it)
(-) If the processor shuts down, your rebills vanish.

I prefer revshare because of the third party stats and generally cleaner sites, but the last negative in my revshare list seems to appear more significant each day.

There is too many variables with recurring.I got stung by Largecash doing %
I was only getting 1out of 10 renewing their trial and whenever I complained they just said it was an aberration.After 6 weeks of screaming it turns out the credit card wasn't automatically rebilling .
Fuck me fuckn drunk!
I get 700 signups amonth and I would seriously like to do % but I havent found anyone i trust enough.

A smart webmaster is going to send their traffic to the place that sends them the biggest check, regardless of how the total is calculated.

Doesn't matter if its revshare, pay per sign up, pay per click, pay per email, whatever. The size of the check is all that matters, you can't spend signups, clicks, or retention percentages, you can only spend money.

Alot of webmasters think that the program with the highest payout per signup, click, or whatever is going to make them the most money, but that's not necessarily true.
I send the vast majority of my traffic to revshare programs. Do I make $35-40 a signup? Not even close.....but I make significantly more money promoting revshare programs with original content than I ever made sending traffic to any other type of program, and I've tried just about all of them at one time or another.

:2 cents:

With the justice department and credit card companies getting ready to tag team the adult industry, many smart people are looking to get their money up front.

I don't care how much you trust someone or how long they have been around, if A-s-h-c-r-f-t knocks on your sponsor's door, you're going to wish you had done PPS.

Is anyone going to get paid rebills by this company:
http://www.girlspooping.com/

i think that most revhsare programs have to start paying more then 50/50 and 60/40.They are getting exit traffic,emails, and upsells in the members area.Also when someone tries to cancel their membership you offer them a lower monthly price to get some to stick around

Mr fiction said The way things are going at the moment i am looking for a sponsor who will pay me in advance:Graucho

yup exactly the reason to make sure when you promote a PPS program that they dont pay you PS because they defraud the surfer, because guess what you will get locked up even if you are an affiliate, they made it very clear at that penispill trial that they will enforce the rules related to porn and such using the RICO act, good luck

I cannot say enough about revshare, it is absolutely the best for those who are serious about building a long term business. It's the next closest thing to having your own paysite and the extremely powerful magic of royalty based income. Work once and get paid many times over. If the site is fantastic and the company financially stable, your long term wealth is very much secured, and if not, well, choosing that sponsor is the most important decision...

This is my 1000th post, so I'll try to make it an intelligent one.

There are good reasons to send to a pps sponsor, and good reasons to send to a revshare sponsor. To those who say "all that matters is the size of your check at the end of the day" I'd offer up these points:

a) Is your sponsor paying you fairly for your traffic? Maybe you got a big check, but maybe you should have got an even bigger check.

b) Does your sponsor offer good sales tools? Free Content? Hosted Galleries? Pic of the Day? other sales tools?

c) Does your sponsor have good support? What if you have problems? Can you reach someone who cares about you?

d) What if your sponsor gets fucked by a shitty billing company, would they pay you anyway, or stick you with the loss?

e) Does your sponsor actively look for ways to make you more money, or do they only look for ways to make themselves more money?

f) Does your sponsor give a flying fuck about the surfer's experience? or just the sale?

g) Does your sponsor have sites that are appealing, or do they just try to copy the latest craze?

There is a lot more to think about than how much you get paid, and how soon you get your check.

Try calling your sponsor on the phone. How many of them will return your call?

There, 1000 down! Hope my advice doesn't fall on deaf ears.

Steve Lightspeed

very well put and congrats on the 1000

very well put.

I personally prefer to promote sites that have character. Sites from smaller programs that are appealing, that don't have the same old pattern to them, sites that are backed by people that care about the webmaster and his traffic.

Most PS programs seem to release only the same old crap with no character whatsoever. That's why I personally prefer partnerships. I can check out the site's member areas beforehand (which large program will give a fuck to show you the memberarea anyway) and make myself a good picture on whether the surfer will retain or not. % rocks. Still have year old signups recurring for me, and it made me tons more money than a PS ever would.

without reading all the replies, i'll say what most probably said -rentention -

i recently tried out a revshare program for a few days, i sold 24 trials, only 4 converted to monthlys. quite a waste in my opinion. revshare is a risk, it could end up paying off more or you could end up losing. also the risk of the site closing and losing all rebills or the processing company. im not put off revshare sites but i don't think i would use them exclusively.

Having a revshare program ourselves this may come as a shock to some however, as a general rul eof thumb and this is somehting that we have always stood by as a company...

Webmasters shouldnt leave PPS for recurring programs at all.

Instead they should use them as a compliment to the PPS sponsors sites that they currently utilize.

As has already been mentioned webmasters tend to use PPS sponsors to get a quick no fuss cash flow and building up your recurring incomes can take several months.

However, by offering recurring programs in addition to per signup sponsors on exit consoles once the surfer has left their site which promote PPS sponsor this gives the webmaster a way to build up long term recurring incomes during those times when PPS programs just dont seem to work.

We have all seen posts on the boards complaining about almost every major per signup sponsor and that sales 'are down' for certain pay periods well, by utilizing recurring income programs in addition to PPS affiliate programs even when PPS sales are low the webmasters can still be making money from the recurring program signup that they got X amount of months ago.

Many recurring programs seem to tell webmasters the only way they will make money is by using those types of programs exclusively this is simply not the case.

We already offer our surfers alternatives in the sites they can join why not offer our businesses an additional way to make long term, recurring incomes whilst at the same time still promoting the base of sites that you know do convert for you presently, once the periods where PPS sales drop, you will be glad of the additional recurring incomes you generate.

:2 cents:

Not to mention the fact that I sleep well at night because I know that my % sponsor ain't scrubbing my check at night. :glugglug

i have a couple of programs if they offered PPS i would not switch and one of those sites is Steve Lightspeeds. BUT I know of a dozen revshares that if they had PPS i would push them again.
Nothing sucks like getting 5 trials and zero converting. Send a a couple k of traffic for $12.47 or whatever the trial split works out to.

My opinion:

Revshare:

1) Only good if you can do at least 30-50 sales per day.

This industry is all about #'s. The most annoying thing is when affiliates bitch because they don't have any sign ups when they sent 2000 clicks. They don't realize that in the next 1000, they could get 5 joins, to balance out their ratio. If you can pull that many sales, and assuming the sponsor stays up, even with a shit site, revshare would be better after 6 months.

2) Only do revshare if you trust the sponsor

I honestly would not recommend revshare in the current climate. I would actually recommend doing per sign up and saving every dime until it's clear what will happen with the billing companies. It is not good to lose your revshare money, obviously

Per Sign Up:

1) Do this if you have lower amounts of traffic

Since as I stated above, this is all about averages, the sponsor's entire affiliate portfolio might convert at 30% and make an average of $50+ per sign up, but this does not mean your little 5-10 daily sales will.

2) Do this with the current climate

Just the exact opposite of what I said above... gravy train might be stopping soon, so it's probably best to save all of your money.

socalcash


any plans to add any more sites to your portfolio? How about an ebony site? some nice hot socal ebony babes... and/or some kind of anal site? socal anal babes...

also, how about just pushing your program a little more. I'm sure there alot of guys who dont know about socal cash...

:)

how well would you sleep if the % sponsors processor fell of the face of the earth? all the recurrings you live from will be gone.

sending to PPS doesn't give you recurring.. but it does give you money up front and piece of mind that you can change links to another sponsor with little or no hiccup in income!

huh? why would you encourage Socalcash to push their program harder to webmasters? i'm sure the guys who are making bank with the program secretly hope nobody else starts promoting them .......... and they're right, who wants to compete with 2,000 other webmasters actively promoting a site?

Mutt,

you have a point....:thumbsup He asked how to get more webmasters, I just gave a suggestion.. but your 100% right. we need to keep it on the down low:)

i think we can solve this by saying its a matter of caring.

if its a revshare program, YOU have as much to gain as the program. since ur both aiming to increase retention...

with a pps. i dont give a fuck what they do in the backend. i get my money. im happy. if they have cross sales and shit like that, let them figure it out how to squeeze more money from them. my job is finished.

This doesn't make any sense. If my recurring sponsor fell off the face of the earth, I'd have to change links. I would also have to change links if a PPS sponsor crapped out on me. And the new signups that I generate daily would just not go towards retaining members but to PPS programs. The flexibility is there, no matter what. It would just hurt that the recurring income would break off.

See, this is exactly a common thought process in this business: Fuck the surfer, I did. Why care about what the sponsor does with its members inside the member area. I don't give a fuck if their email addresses are being sold in optin lists, I don't give a fuck what crap they will offer the surfer to cross sell to, and I even care less if the member area really offers what I told the surfer about... fuck the surfer, I did! At least I will get my $35 bucks a pop, and the rest... I don't give a fuck. Maybe the surfer will be so frustrated with what he spend $30 bucks on, that he'll never sign up for a paysite again. As you said, your job is finished when the surfer enters his CC numbers in the signup form.

I prefer earning the surfer's trust. Being a webmaster, I want to tell the surfer what is being offered for his buck, and I want him to be satisfied with what he paid for. I even want him to come back and buy more from me. Surely PPS programs live off retention as well, however, I just don't trust them as much as I do % programs. From own observation I have the feeling that % programs simply offer *better* paysites.

Just my thoughts at late hour.

lol - this of course depends on your defination of big boys in this industry.

aff and lars do percentage. they're bigger than most that say they are big boys.

well, if i had a personal site where ppl come in and i promote crappy pps. then yes, i know i would be fucking surfers and they wouldnt come again. But if i have a freesite/gallery/fpa on SE floating around then my job is to sell whatever they might be interested in. It boogles my mind how ppl can give me 35-40bux for every trial sale but thats not my concern. thats program owners like adult.com (who knows what to do) concern.

I disagree 1,000 percent. I know you've been around a long time and are well established and respected, but that statement is dead wrong.

Let me give 3 examples, all of sites that are bigger than most will EVER be:

KarupsPC
ATK (Amateur and Teen Kingdom)
Offworld Media Group (Twinks.com, AuntJudys.com)

These guys do NOT offer pay per sign up. And ATK is currently not even taking new affiliates. All former affiliates are strictly on revshare.

If people think that because someone is paying revshare it makes them honest or that it tracks all signups..they are a retard.. everyone can be shaved...

I wouldnt use a partnership for all the rice in china..when this 1% hits, I wouldnt want to be relying on someone else unless they are going to publicly open up their stats which would be dumb on their part..but otherwise I want no part of it..

If partnerships would pay me more etc..then do me a favor.. PAY ME LESS..and just pay me per signup!

Chris

big members area != large revenue

Its all a numbers game. companies in it for the long haul have lots of money so they pay per trial.

rev programs are for the small to mid companies who can't afford to take risks. on PPS your dealing with large volume lower profits.

this year you will see alot of companies go out of business so why risk on rev. share when you can get paid up front on a trial.

if anything the pps model will get stronger

:2 cents:

Talk to pornkings.com they sometimes pay in advance cause they know how well they convert.

But there will always be big money in finding the small quality rev share who will be big.

how do you know they are really doing well?

maybe they can't afford to pay webmasters up front they might not have the resources involved.
It takes alot to run a webmaster program with all the fraud etc.

I only trust programs right now with deep pockets paying per trial not even per sign up

you keep believing that:winkwink:

I plan on getting paid and you won't hear me bitching about not getting paid or not converting. I stick to the guys who understand the business and not all the BS talked about on the boards.