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wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:09 PM

Pride and Prejudices
How Americans have fooled themselves about the war in Iraq, and why they?ve had to

NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

Sept. 19 ? A sturdy-looking American matron in the audience at the American University of Paris grew redder by the second. She was listening to a panel talking about the Iraq war and its effect on U.S.-French relations, and she kept nodding her head like a pump building emotional pressure.

FINALLY SHE exploded: ?Surely these can?t be the only reasons we invaded Iraq!? the woman thundered, half scolding, but also half pleading. ?Surely not!?

What first upset her was my suggestion that, looking back, the French were right. They tried to stop the United States and Britain from rushing headlong into this mess. Don?t we wish they?d succeeded?

Then she listened as another panelist and I went through the now-familiar recitation of Washington?s claims before the war, and the too-familiar realities since: the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the inevitable conclusion that Saddam Hussein was not the threat he was cracked up to be, the fantasy that this war could be waged on the cheap rather than the $1 billion per week American taxpayers are now spending, the claim that occupation?called ?liberation??would be short and sweet, when in fact American men and women continue to be shot and blown up every day with no end in sight.

As we went down the list, I could see the Nodding Woman?s problem was not that she didn?t believe us, it was that she did. She just desperately wanted other reasons, better reasons, some she could consider valid reasons for the price that Americans are paying in blood and treasure.

It?s not the first time I?ve come across this reaction. I just spent a month in the States and met a lot of angry people. A few claim the press is not reporting ?the good things in Iraq,? although it?s very hard to see what?s good for Americans there. Many more say, ?Why didn?t the press warn us??

[more...]

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PS Eventually the American public will realize the lies about 9-11 as well. Wonton predicts this...

Lane · 09-20-2003, 05:12 PM

stop putting *****'s on your thread titles, its lame

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
stop putting *****'s on your thread titles, its lame

No.

GFY

Bigdaddyhgh · 09-20-2003, 05:13 PM

Bigdaddyhgh · 09-20-2003, 05:15 PM

So where the fuck do you live?

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyhgh
So where the fuck do you live?

USA and proud to be an American.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Did you have a point or just wanted to provide an anecdote?

Neither. I just wanted to provoke you.

FreeOnes · 09-20-2003, 05:18 PM

I haven't read your text.
Saddam is gone, so shut the fuck up

theking · 09-20-2003, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
Pride and Prejudices
How Americans have fooled themselves about the war in Iraq, and why they?ve had to

NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

Sept. 19 ? A sturdy-looking American matron in the audience at the American University of Paris grew redder by the second. She was listening to a panel talking about the Iraq war and its effect on U.S.-French relations, and she kept nodding her head like a pump building emotional pressure.

FINALLY SHE exploded: ?Surely these can?t be the only reasons we invaded Iraq!? the woman thundered, half scolding, but also half pleading. ?Surely not!?

What first upset her was my suggestion that, looking back, the French were right. They tried to stop the United States and Britain from rushing headlong into this mess. Don?t we wish they?d succeeded?

Then she listened as another panelist and I went through the now-familiar recitation of Washington?s claims before the war, and the too-familiar realities since: the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the inevitable conclusion that Saddam Hussein was not the threat he was cracked up to be, the fantasy that this war could be waged on the cheap rather than the $1 billion per week American taxpayers are now spending, the claim that occupation?called ?liberation??would be short and sweet, when in fact American men and women continue to be shot and blown up every day with no end in sight.

As we went down the list, I could see the Nodding Woman?s problem was not that she didn?t believe us, it was that she did. She just desperately wanted other reasons, better reasons, some she could consider valid reasons for the price that Americans are paying in blood and treasure.

It?s not the first time I?ve come across this reaction. I just spent a month in the States and met a lot of angry people. A few claim the press is not reporting ?the good things in Iraq,? although it?s very hard to see what?s good for Americans there. Many more say, ?Why didn?t the press warn us??

[more...]

FOR REST OF ARTICLE CLICK HERE

PS Eventually the American public will realize the lies about 9-11 as well. Wonton predicts this...

Did you have a point or just wanted to provide an anecdote?

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by freeones
I haven't read your text.
Saddam is gone, so shut the fuck up

Saddam was never the issue, so wake the fuck up.

scorpy · 09-20-2003, 05:21 PM

hahaha I LOVE IT!

Rochard · 09-20-2003, 05:23 PM

This coming from a country that hasn't won a war in how fucking long?

We should nuke the middle east. We don't need their oil - seriously. Fucking Mexico and Norway produces more oil than Iraq.

broke · 09-20-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
This coming from a country that hasn't won a war in how fucking long?

We should nuke the middle east. We don't need their oil - seriously. Fucking Mexico and Norway produces more oil than Iraq.

Don't forget our gay Canadian friends.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
This coming from a country that hasn't won a war in how fucking long?

We should nuke the middle east. We don't need their oil - seriously. Fucking Mexico and Norway produces more oil than Iraq.

Is the level of a country's "greatness" measured by how many wars they have started and won?

What about culture? Art? Architecture? .........

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Is the level of a country's "greatness" measured by how many wars they have started and won?

What about culture? Art? Architecture? .........

As the wise yoda once said in The Empire Strikes Back:

"Great warrior? Hmmph. Wars not make one great."

broke · 09-20-2003, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

As the wise yoda once said in The Empire Strikes Back:

"Great warrior? Hmmph. Wars not make one great."

Just like a tinfoil hat wearing dope to quote movie characters to support his/her point.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by broke

Just like a tinfoil hat wearing dope to quote movie characters to support his/her point.

A tinfoil hat wearing dope that just happens to be supported by the nations of France, Germany and about 100 others.

The people of the world have united behind Wonton's wisdom. When will you?

rossiya2 · 09-20-2003, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Is the level of a country's "greatness" measured by how many wars they have started and won?

What about culture? Art? Architecture? .........

It is measured by how many red plastic cups they throw in the gutter during a party.

broke · 09-20-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

A tinfoil hat wearing dope that just happens to be supported by the nations of France, Germany and about 100 others.

France, Germany and about 100 others now quote Yoda to make a point?

They've fallen further than I imagined then....

FreeOnes · 09-20-2003, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Saddam was never the issue, so wake the fuck up.

what are you trying to tell me?

Furious_Female · 09-20-2003, 06:10 PM

That article was so lame. Whomever wrote that report sounds straight out of 5th grade... it's basically about a woman getting pissed off about the war. Big fuckin deal... a lot of people are pissed about it. I personally do not care if they found WMD, I support the brave men and women that serve in the military and the decisions our leader made. Saddam had 13 extra years to lie, deceive, murder and destroy Iraq... his time was up. Some people do not appreciate the sacrifice this has taken. I don't care about how much money it is costing... security and freedom are priceless.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
... security and freedom are priceless.

You will have neither very soon.

As Benjamin Franklin once said,

Those who exchange liberty in exchange for a promise of security deserve neither.

sacX · 09-20-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
This coming from a country that hasn't won a war in how fucking long?

We should nuke the middle east. We don't need their oil - seriously. Fucking Mexico and Norway produces more oil than Iraq.

I don't think mexico, norway, or venezuela would give you a good price for the oil if all the middle east supply was gone.. Suppose you could then invade mexico.. not sure how that would sit with the rest of the world though.

Try again.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
Saddam had 13 extra years to lie, deceive, murder and destroy Iraq...

Ha! Ha! We lied, deceived, murdered and destroyed Iraq, not Saddam! We did, in a 21 day war, what he was not able to achieve in the last 13 years - completely destroy Iraq, it's infrastructure, its security, its water systems, its oil industry...

and in the process we managed to kill over 10,000 innocent civlians (3x as many as 9-11) according to Associated Press estimates.

The irony never ends...

Furious_Female · 09-20-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

You will have neither very soon.

As Benjamin Franklin once said,

Those who exchange liberty in exchange for a promise of security deserve neither.

I won't huh? I guess being you live in the US, you won't either. So what do you plan on doing when all hell breaks loose? You seem like a good <s>cult</s> leader...

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

I won't huh? I guess being you live in the US, you won't either. So what do you plan on doing when all hell breaks loose? You seem like a good <s>cult</s> leader...

self-education and awareness are the key. With those, it will be easy to survive. The rest of the sheep will have big, big problems though. Heh.

sacX · 09-20-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
That article was so lame. Whomever wrote that report sounds straight out of 5th grade... it's basically about a woman getting pissed off about the war. Big fuckin deal... a lot of people are pissed about it. I personally do not care if they found WMD, I support the brave men and women that serve in the military and the decisions our leader made. Saddam had 13 extra years to lie, deceive, murder and destroy Iraq... his time was up. Some people do not appreciate the sacrifice this has taken. I don't care about how much money it is costing... security and freedom are priceless.

uh but you have LESS freedom in the US now, and I would argue are less secure too.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sacX

uh but you have LESS freedom in the US now, and I would argue less secure too.

Indeed, Iraq which had nothing to do with 9-11 or organized terrorism against the US is now a BREEDING GROUND for terrorists from all over the middle east. It is also a renwed rallying cry for muslims all over the world to increase their hatred against the US, especially now that the WMD issue has been uncovered as a big lie in front of the whole world.

Security has decreased.

theking · 09-20-2003, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

You will have neither very soon.

As Benjamin Franklin once said,

Those who exchange liberty in exchange for a promise of security deserve neither.

What future period of time will this exchange take place...if the voices in your mind have provided the time line yet?

Furious_Female · 09-20-2003, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

self-education and awareness are the key. With those, it will be easy to survive. The rest of the sheep will have big, big problems though. Heh.

Your plan of survival is a bit vague. Please be more specific. You seem convinced that the sky is falling, yet you can't even specify course of action? You should have that paranoia evaluated

You are one of the few that sees "big, big problems" forthcoming, you are saying most of the US and the world are complete idiots and you are one of the chosen few that see the tragic turns of events unfolding?

Baa baaaaa

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

What future period of time will this exchange take place...if the voices in your mind have provided the time line yet?

It's happening now and will come to completion, slowly, over the next twenty years.

theking · 09-20-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Ha! Ha! We lied, deceived, murdered and destroyed Iraq, not Saddam! We did, in a 21 day war, what he was not able to achieve in the last 13 years - completely destroy Iraq, it's infrastructure, its security, its water systems, its oil industry...

and in the process we managed to kill over 10,000 innocent civlians (3x as many as 9-11) according to Associated Press estimates.

The irony never ends...

Saddam committed suicide by Cop and is responsible for his own downfall and all that has happened to his people.

wonton · 09-20-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

Saddam committed suicide by Cop and is responsible for his own downfall and all that has happened to his people.

Saddam is completely irrelevant. He always was.

Matt_WildCash · 09-20-2003, 07:00 PM

Well I hope the Americans turn against the current Govt and go for Democracs and then we can continue business as usual

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:00 PM

WHATEVER FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!

Ice · 09-20-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by broke

Don't forget our gay Canadian friends.

Im sure you could have come up with something more intelegent to say if you had a a coruscation of brilliancy instead of showing signs of mental moribundity

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Driven
Well I hope the Americans turn against the current Govt and go for Democracs and then we can continue business as usual

OKAY CALIFORNIA DID THAT AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. NO LAP DANCES NO SMOKING AND A BIG DEBT.................

I KNOW IT'S A BIG PILL TO SWOLLOW BUT PLEASE BELIEVE..........

THINK OUTSIDE OF THE SQUARE............... SOICIALIST.....

ThunderBalls · 09-20-2003, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
That article was so lame. Whomever wrote that report sounds straight out of 5th grade... it's basically about a woman getting pissed off

Thats exactly what I think everytime I read one of your posts.

NBDesign · 09-20-2003, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard

We should nuke the middle east. We don't need their oil - seriously.

Why? Not everyone there is like Saddam and Bin Ladden.. that is like saying all Americans deserve to die for the actions of Bu$h.

Common man... that is just plain wrong.

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:26 PM

AMERICA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT WEIRDO..................

READ A BOOK BITCH................

DO YOU KNOW THAT THE SAME SHIT YOU PREACH THEY WHERE PRECHING IN ROMAN TIMES....................IDIOT..........

directfiesta · 09-20-2003, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeones
I haven't read your text.
Saddam is gone, so shut the fuck up

Brilliant!

Ice · 09-20-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
AMERICA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT WEIRDO..................

What shall I bring?

directfiesta · 09-20-2003, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
AMERICA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT WEIRDO..................

Caps off, moron!

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

What shall I bring?

HI BABE

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Caps off, moron!

PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RedBumper · 09-20-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
AMERICA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT WEIRDO..................

READ A BOOK BITCH................

DO YOU KNOW THAT THE SAME SHIT YOU PREACH THEY WHERE PRECHING IN ROMAN TIMES....................IDIOT..........

Press "caps lock" you idiot.

Ice · 09-20-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com

HI BABE

Hey sexy....

directfiesta · 09-20-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedBumper

Press "caps lock" you idiot.

Thanks, maybe he will get it....

RedBumper · 09-20-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Thanks, maybe he will get it....

I doubt it......... his 2 braincells are busy doing other things.

Loryn · 09-20-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedBumper

Press "caps lock" you idiot.

I WAS IDIOT.............LET'S ROLL

09-20-2003, 05:09 PM	#1
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	*** MSNBC: France Was Right And The US Wrong About Iraq War ** Pride and Prejudices How Americans have fooled themselves about the war in Iraq, and why they?ve had to NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE Sept. 19 ? A sturdy-looking American matron in the audience at the American University of Paris grew redder by the second. She was listening to a panel talking about the Iraq war and its effect on U.S.-French relations, and she kept nodding her head like a pump building emotional pressure. FINALLY SHE exploded: ?Surely these can?t be the only reasons we invaded Iraq!? the woman thundered, half scolding, but also half pleading. ?Surely not!? What first upset her was my suggestion that, looking back, the French were right. They tried to stop the United States and Britain from rushing headlong into this mess. Don?t we wish they?d succeeded? Then she listened as another panelist and I went through the now-familiar recitation of Washington?s claims before the war, and the too-familiar realities since: the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the inevitable conclusion that Saddam Hussein was not the threat he was cracked up to be, the fantasy that this war could be waged on the cheap rather than the $1 billion per week American taxpayers are now spending, the claim that occupation?called ?liberation??would be short and sweet, when in fact American men and women continue to be shot and blown up every day with no end in sight. As we went down the list, I could see the Nodding Woman?s problem was not that she didn?t believe us, it was that she did. She just desperately wanted other reasons, better reasons, some she could consider valid reasons for the price that Americans are paying in blood and treasure. It?s not the first time I?ve come across this reaction. I just spent a month in the States and met a lot of angry people. A few claim the press is not reporting ?the good things in Iraq,? although it?s very hard to see what?s good for Americans there. Many more say, ?Why didn?t the press warn us?? [more...] FOR REST OF ARTICLE CLICK HERE PS Eventually the American public will realize the lies about 9-11 as well. Wonton predicts this... Last edited by wonton; 09-20-2003 at 05:12 PM..

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Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	That article was so lame. Whomever wrote that report sounds straight out of 5th grade... it's basically about a woman getting pissed off about the war. Big fuckin deal... a lot of people are pissed about it. I personally do not care if they found WMD, I support the brave men and women that serve in the military and the decisions our leader made. Saddam had 13 extra years to lie, deceive, murder and destroy Iraq... his time was up. Some people do not appreciate the sacrifice this has taken. I don't care about how much money it is costing... security and freedom are priceless. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

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