My theory on the homeless... - GoFuckYourself.com

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 08:55 PM

Inspired by this post...

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Originally posted by cluck

I don't think many homeless people choose to be homeless. It's easy to say anyone can work their way up but that's simply not true, especially in this Bush economy. It'd be nice if the government would create jobs in the US(possibly make foreign sweatshop labor illegal?). When you have nothing it's pretty hard to get money. Go visit an urban area and you'll see that even if the people find work, they're constantly in debt for the things they need.

Now this is just a THEORY based on observation. Please educate me with facts and information if you know something I don't.

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I live in San Diego, a fairly expensive city to live in. I live a block away from a large University, meaning my cost of living may be higher than other areas of the city due to space.

I figured out my daily cost of living. Granted, this includes no "extras" or "luxuries", but honestly I really don't buy that type of stuff.

Monthly rent: $415
Phone bill: $7
Electric bill: $15
Cable bill: $10
Internet bill: $50
Food bill (I eat good, too): $150

Grand total: $647

Which comes out to about $22 daily. It costs me around $22 a day to live fairly comfortably and happy. Now, a homeless person wouldn't have a good chunk of these expenses.

Monthly rent: shelters and hostels, no?
Phone bill: no bill, let's say $5 for pay phone use.
Electric bill: no electric bill.
Cable bill: no cable bill.
Internet bill: no Internet bill.
Food bill: when I first moved out I was living on $100 monthly eating crap. We'll say that.

Grand total: $105

A homeless man would need around $3-4 daily to break even. Anything over that $3-4 daily could be saved, spent on "extras" (medicine, entertainment, better food, drugs, alcohol, etc), or it could be used to better his life (buy new clothes and look for jobs.)

Ok, so homeless man needs $4 daily. Now how the hell does homeless man get $4 daily? Well, I often see homeless people recycling cans and bottles for cash (every week I give a neighborhood homeless man over 100 bottles to recycle), I ALWAYS see homeless people asking for spare change or food, OR they could go out on a limb and spruce up just a bit so they can get a job.

What jobs? Our economy sucks!

Whether you want to believe it or not, there are still plenty of jobs around. I see them all the time. One of the main reasons people always claim there are no jobs available is because they would NEVER consider working at any of the available jobs. Fast food, janitorial, washing cars, street sales, etc.

So again, this is just my weak theory. I've pointed out how much money is needed to live (and grow) and I've also pointed out ways to make that little amount of needed cash.

Why are there homeless people?

Chris · 09-21-2003, 08:58 PM

cuz they are lazy

and 10 dolla electricy !??????????!11111

detoxed · 09-21-2003, 09:00 PM

Your cost of living is ridiculously low. I couldnt even run a laptop and desktop for $15 a month in electricity. $415 rent? I pay $680 for a 1 bedroom shithole. Food bill? I spend $250 a month on lunches alone.

Joe Average · 09-21-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Why are there homeless people?

You might find some answers here if you are interested.

GrimShawn · 09-21-2003, 09:01 PM

no solution to people who are not willing to help themselves

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Your cost of living is ridiculously low. I couldnt even run a laptop and desktop for $15 a month in electricity. $415 rent? I pay $680 for a 1 bedroom shithole. Food bill? I spend $250 a month on lunches alone.

I live in a 3 bedroom, decent apartment. Monthly rent is $1250. You spend $250 on lunches alone? You either eat way too much or you eat out every day.

Spunky · 09-21-2003, 09:01 PM

Most have mental problems and/drug/alcohol problems.Any sane person would work anywhere rather than live like that

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:01 PM

i'm a capitalist libertarian (in your lingo)...

basically, work asshole. don't tax me. stay the fuck out of my life.

BlackCrayon · 09-21-2003, 09:02 PM

a lot of homeless ppl have mental illnesses or addictions to drugs or alcohol. i wouldn't say homeless ppl are just lazy.

detoxed · 09-21-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I live in a 3 bedroom, decent apartment. Monthly rent is $1250. You spend $250 on lunches alone? You either eat way too much or you eat out every day.

Thats only $8.30 a day for lunch.. Unless you go to McDonalds every day thats not much.

Triple 6 · 09-21-2003, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Inspired by this post...

Now this is just a THEORY based on observation. Please educate me with facts and information if you know something I don't.

--

I live in San Diego, a fairly expensive city to live in. I live a block away from a large University, meaning my cost of living may be higher than other areas of the city due to space.

I figured out my daily cost of living. Granted, this includes no "extras" or "luxuries", but honestly I really don't buy that type of stuff.

Monthly rent: $415
Phone bill: $7
Electric bill: $15
Cable bill: $10
Internet bill: $50
Food bill (I eat good, too): $150

Grand total: $647

Which comes out to about $22 daily. It costs me around $22 a day to live fairly comfortably and happy. Now, a homeless person wouldn't have a good chunk of these expenses.

Monthly rent: shelters and hostels, no?
Phone bill: no bill, let's say $5 for pay phone use.
Electric bill: no electric bill.
Cable bill: no cable bill.
Internet bill: no Internet bill.
Food bill: when I first moved out I was living on $100 monthly eating crap. We'll say that.

Grand total: $105

A homeless man would need around $3-4 daily to break even. Anything over that $3-4 daily could be saved, spent on "extras" (medicine, entertainment, better food, drugs, alcohol, etc), or it could be used to better his life (buy new clothes and look for jobs.)

Ok, so homeless man needs $4 daily. Now how the hell does homeless man get $4 daily? Well, I often see homeless people recycling cans and bottles for cash (every week I give a neighborhood homeless man over 100 bottles to recycle), I ALWAYS see homeless people asking for spare change or food, OR they could go out on a limb and spruce up just a bit so they can get a job.

What jobs? Our economy sucks!

Whether you want to believe it or not, there are still plenty of jobs around. I see them all the time. One of the main reasons people always claim there are no jobs available is because they would NEVER consider working at any of the available jobs. Fast food, janitorial, washing cars, street sales, etc.

So again, this is just my weak theory. I've pointed out how much money is needed to live (and grow) and I've also pointed out ways to make that little amount of needed cash.

Why are there homeless people?

damn you are living cheap

<IMX> · 09-21-2003, 09:04 PM

Bingo.

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Originally posted by spunky1
Most have mental problems and/drug/alcohol problems.Any sane person would work anywhere rather than live like that

Doctor Dre · 09-21-2003, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Inspired by this post...

Now this is just a THEORY based on observation. Please educate me with facts and information if you know something I don't.

--

I live in San Diego, a fairly expensive city to live in. I live a block away from a large University, meaning my cost of living may be higher than other areas of the city due to space.

I figured out my daily cost of living. Granted, this includes no "extras" or "luxuries", but honestly I really don't buy that type of stuff.

Monthly rent: $415
Phone bill: $7
Electric bill: $15
Cable bill: $10
Internet bill: $50
Food bill (I eat good, too): $150

Grand total: $647

Which comes out to about $22 daily. It costs me around $22 a day to live fairly comfortably and happy. Now, a homeless person wouldn't have a good chunk of these expenses.

Monthly rent: shelters and hostels, no?
Phone bill: no bill, let's say $5 for pay phone use.
Electric bill: no electric bill.
Cable bill: no cable bill.
Internet bill: no Internet bill.
Food bill: when I first moved out I was living on $100 monthly eating crap. We'll say that.

Grand total: $105

A homeless man would need around $3-4 daily to break even. Anything over that $3-4 daily could be saved, spent on "extras" (medicine, entertainment, better food, drugs, alcohol, etc), or it could be used to better his life (buy new clothes and look for jobs.)

Ok, so homeless man needs $4 daily. Now how the hell does homeless man get $4 daily? Well, I often see homeless people recycling cans and bottles for cash (every week I give a neighborhood homeless man over 100 bottles to recycle), I ALWAYS see homeless people asking for spare change or food, OR they could go out on a limb and spruce up just a bit so they can get a job.

What jobs? Our economy sucks!

Whether you want to believe it or not, there are still plenty of jobs around. I see them all the time. One of the main reasons people always claim there are no jobs available is because they would NEVER consider working at any of the available jobs. Fast food, janitorial, washing cars, street sales, etc.

So again, this is just my weak theory. I've pointed out how much money is needed to live (and grow) and I've also pointed out ways to make that little amount of needed cash.

Why are there homeless people?

It's kinda obvious you live at your mom's place. (lol)

1 : If a 400 $ rent was expensive then what the fuck now ! Unless you live with 5 people in a medium appartement it's kinda impossible

Electric bill: $15 = ROFLMAO

and btw, homeless people can't cook so they gotta go at the restaurent . They pay way more than it cost you make your home food ... And eating on 150 $ a month is possible I dunno ... you gotta eat lot of TOFU and that kidn of shit .

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:06 PM

OK for an apartment you'd need the down payment. You'd have to save up for that. You need transportation to and from work. Figure a $2.10 bus ride a day if you're lucky, maybe $8 if you're not so lucky(which is more likely, since most of the low wage jobs require a commute to a more affluent area). You need to eat, but you have no refridgerator or stove so you have to eat out. You COULD get fresh food but they don't sell that in the ghetto, they only sell fast food. You CAN get a refridgerator but without the money and no credit you'd have to rent one for a ridiculous amount.

You can't even get a bank account because again, there's no banks in the ghetto. You have to use a check cashing place that takes a chunk of your profit, that's more money gone. It's ALOT more expensive to live as a poor person than a person who has something to start out with.

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Thats only $8.30 a day for lunch.. Unless you go to McDonalds every day thats not much.

So you eat out every day then? I don't eat out.

Haha, ok, forget about my expenses. LOL. What can I say, I invest most of my income.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre

It's kinda obvious you live at your mom's place. (lol)

1 : If a 400 $ rent was expensive then what the fuck now ! Unless you live with 5 people in a medium appartement it's kinda impossible

Electric bill: $15 = ROFLMAO

and btw, homeless people can't cook so they gotta go at the restaurent . They pay way more than it cost you make your home food ... And eating on 150 $ a month is possible I dunno ... you gotta eat lot of TOFU and that kidn of shit .

he doesn't live at his mom's place. i didn't bother reading the rest.

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:08 PM

Ok, I'm busted. I live with mommy and daddy.

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

So you eat out every day then? I don't eat out.

Haha, ok, forget about my expenses. LOL. What can I say, I invest most of my income.

You have the luxory of being able to store/prepare food in your place of residence. You're alot luckier for that than you think.

har har · 09-21-2003, 09:10 PM

its all about circumstances, you cant pt a figure or a reason as to why their homeles.

i garauntee any one of you, that if you spent 1 week on the street in the cold by the end of that week you would be sick, tierd and have lost hope.........these people have nothing its not always their fault. and even if it is its your duty to help them, if you where in the situation you would want help too.

humans help weach other out, but i see in american society its all about "me me me" you dont care about anyone elses problems, only yourself which is realy selfish and fucked up.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

You have the luxory of being able to store/prepare food in your place of residence. You're alot luckier for that than you think.

much cheaper to eat out, than to cook at home...

oh shit this is funny.

teenjump · 09-21-2003, 09:12 PM

We don't know why people are in the positions they are in. I knew a guy that was homeless, because is house burned down (yes he had insurance) but he lost his wife and kids in the fire. He fell apart and just lived on the street. Went sort of crazy.

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

You have the luxory of being able to store/prepare food in your place of residence. You're alot luckier for that than you think.

You do have a good point about meals costing more and meal preparation. However, I know of quite a few places that give free meals to the homeless.

Transportation over $2-3 a day? If you're lazy, sure. Most cities have small "niche communities". Now based on where you would be staying (a shelter or hostel) you would need to find some place relatively close to work at. If you need to walk 2-5 miles to work, so be it. A lot of people do it. Spending the extra money on the bus tickets is a choice, not a necessity.

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

much cheaper to eat out, than to cook at home...

oh shit this is funny.

Hey man I'm sure lots of underpriveladged people would love to live on ramen noodles but it's kinda hard to scrape up the money for a stove.

Plus food is way more expensive in the hood. I lost my license once and the only way to get to college was the bus. I had to stop in Paterson every day(people in NJ will know where I'm talking about). I'd usually end up spending a good amount of time there around lunch or dinner time so sometimes I'd eat there. Even at major chains, the food prices are jacked way up. Supply and demand.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You do have a good point about meals costing more and meal preparation. However, I know of quite a few places that give free meals to the homeless.

Transportation over $2-3 a day? If you're lazy, sure. Most cities have small "niche communities". Now based on where you would be staying (a shelter or hostel) you would need to find some place relatively close to work at. If you need to walk 2-5 miles to work, so be it. A lot of people do it. Spending the extra money on the bus tickets is a choice, not a necessity.

for fuck sakes. i lived off of no name brand soup for most of my university years. it was like 40 cents for a bowl. all you needed was hot water.

bah...

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Hey man I'm sure lots of underpriveladged people would love to live on ramen noodles but it's kinda hard to scrape up the money for a stove.

you can buy a soup at a 7-11, and have it warmed in the microwave. are you trying to be funny?

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You do have a good point about meals costing more and meal preparation. However, I know of quite a few places that give free meals to the homeless.

Transportation over $2-3 a day? If you're lazy, sure. Most cities have small "niche communities". Now based on where you would be staying (a shelter or hostel) you would need to find some place relatively close to work at. If you need to walk 2-5 miles to work, so be it. A lot of people do it. Spending the extra money on the bus tickets is a choice, not a necessity.

Alot of these places turn people away all the time. Especially since 9/11 people started donating money to the red cross and totally forgot about the homeless and other charities. It's all about location though. If you're in the suburbs there's usually somewhere to go but you're basically screwed if you're stuck in a place where the people around you don't have extra money to give.

Doctor Dre · 09-21-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

he doesn't live at his mom's place. i didn't bother reading the rest.

I know he don't was just fucking arround but his expense are kinda crazy ... can't live with that kind of money .

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

you can buy a soup at a 7-11, and have it warmed in the microwave. are you trying to be funny?

The hood doesn't have 7-11, every block consists of a bodega, liquor store, fried chicken place and either a check cashing place or a church.

Spunky · 09-21-2003, 09:19 PM

I like ketchup soup.It reminds me of the times I had to struggle to make it work..It builds character

Bake · 09-21-2003, 09:19 PM

Most homeless people are homeless because they really cant cope with having to do things for themselfs they just cant get orginized enough and weather this is caused by just being to lazy or drug problem dosent matter.
Even here in Aus where the welfare system is way over the top we still have homeless people even thou we pay the rent and give them up 1000$ a month to live on they are still homeless many say they cant cope with the welfare office and forms they must fill out. so they live on the street.

Doctor Dre · 09-21-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

for fuck sakes. i lived off of no name brand soup for most of my university years. it was like 40 cents for a bowl. all you needed was hot water.

bah...

Mr noodles rock !

theking · 09-21-2003, 09:21 PM

The homeless in my area that I am aware of...are strung out druggies...or alchoholics. They are that by choice. I would assume that they could not...or would not hold a job if they had one.

An anecdotal story.

I took in a homeless person one time (he was holding up a sign that said will work for food)...bought the person some clothes...got the person a job (a night floor man at a supermarket) and after about ten days or so...I left for the weekend on a trip. When I returned my house had been ransacked...and when I checked the person did not show up for work on the very night of the day I left. A couple of years later I coincidently spotted him in another city...looking even scroungier than when I had first saw him panhandling on the street. I approached him with the intentions of kicking his ass...but he was so stoned that he didn't recognize me...so I let it slide. I have not taken in a homeless person since. I personally believe that 90% of the homeless are homeless by the decisions they have made and continue to make. Fuck 'em.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

The hood doesn't have 7-11, every block consists of a bodega, liquor store, fried chicken place and either a check cashing place or a church.

you like to take an already silly senario to the extreme. so why not buy a 4th hand boiling pot from the hood pawn shop, and plug it into the parking lot outlet of some bastard walmart manager - boil water. eat soup.

fucking stupid.

robfantasy · 09-21-2003, 09:22 PM

ramen noodles at walmart is less than 25 cents.

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by theking
The homeless in my area that I am aware of...are strung out druggies...or alchoholics. They are that by choice. I would assume that they could not...or would not hold a job if they had one.

An anecdotal story.

I took in a homeless person one time (he was holding up a sign that said will work for food)...bought the person some clothes...got the person a job (a night floor man at a supermarket) and after about ten days or so...I left for the weekend on a trip. When I returned my house had been ransacked...and when I checked the person did not show up for work on the very night of the day I left. A couple of years later I coincidently spotted him in another city...looking even scroungier than when I had first saw him panhandling on the street. I approached him with the intentions of kicking his ass...but he was so stoned that he didn't recognize me...so I let it slide. I have not taken in a homeless person since. I personally believe that 90% of the homeless are homeless by the decisions they have made and continue to make. Fuck 'em.

Alot of that depends on location too. I think the more poverty-stricken the neighborhood, the more sincere the homeless are. There's alot of lazy pricks out there that are just living like hobo's mooching off society. The people who really need and deserve help are the ones in situations so bad you'll probably never get a chance to see them unless you make a wrong turn into the projects.

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

you like to take an already silly senario to the extreme. so why not buy a 4th hand boiling pot from the hood pawn shop, and plug it into the parking lot outlet of some bastard walmart manager - boil water. eat soup.

fucking stupid.

Because that would take work.

I think what cluck is really trying to tell us is that homeless people are really either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves. Thus, they need help.

robfantasy · 09-21-2003, 09:26 PM

i will give money to a homeless person if they do something for it like pick up the trash on the corner theyre begging at.

....an idea ive been thinking about and am going to try is to pay homeless people to hold cardboard signs with my URL on it at busy intersections and it will say:

I am homeless because I spent all my money at HTTP://WWW.FANTASYENTERTAINMENT.NET

cluck · 09-21-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Because that would take work.

I think what cluck is really trying to tell us is that homeless people are really either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves. Thus, they need help.

Well most of the ones you'll meet on the street are too lazy or stupid and fuck them. You know homeless people in the village are just trying to take the easy way out and beg people for money. If they can get into china town they can find some cheap food or something.

You have to go to a real bad area to actually find the people you can feel bad for. Alot of the people are even going to work but still can't get an apartment. Alot of that shit depends on credit history too.

Sly_RJ · 09-21-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Well most of the ones you'll meet on the street are too lazy or stupid and fuck them. You know homeless people in the village are just trying to take the easy way out and beg people for money. If they can get into china town they can find some cheap food or something.

I think this is exactly what most of us have been saying.

eroswebmaster · 09-21-2003, 09:36 PM

Walk a mile in their shoes.

Funny thing about life. There's this thing people like to call Karma, or say what goes around comes around, reap what you sow...etc.

Well, that funny thing is that life will throw you such a breaking curve sometimes and test you on what you say.

Instant Karma's a motherfucker.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Walk a mile in their shoes.

Funny thing about life. There's this thing people like to call Karma, or say what goes around comes around, reap what you sow...etc.

Well, that funny thing is that life will throw you such a breaking curve sometimes and test you on what you say.

Instant Karma's a motherfucker.

how much have YOU given to charity. i send over a shitload to several organizations, every year, year after year.

karma is a bitch, agreed.

eroswebmaster · 09-21-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

how much have YOU given to charity. i send over a shitload to several organizations, every year, year after year.

karma is a bitch, agreed.

No one is questioning how much anyone gives.

I am questioning YOUR ability to judge what life on the street is like unless you have lived there.

I am also pointing out that life tests us on those beliefs we hold so firmly all the time.

Furious_Female · 09-21-2003, 09:45 PM

I agree with Sly_RJ completely. Even though I envy his low cost living

The homeless in America choose to be that way. Unless they have a mental condition that prevents them from knowing the difference, in which case the government will supply them with medical care and disability checks. As for the ones with drinking and drug problems, they choose to be that way. Fighting an addiction is NOT easy, but ultimately when it comes to choosing a home or crack, they choose their addiction.

I know people that live under their means and have low cost living expenses like Sly_RJ. It is possible... but too many homeless and poverty level people, do not decipher expenses the way people with common sense do.

Most apartments come with a stove, I've never seen one that doesn't. And if you go to social services, because you can't get in a shelter, they will pay for you to stay in a motel, because housing isn't available for you yet.

It is sheer laziness, because hasn't anyone heard stories of people who have brushed their teeth in the rain, walked 30 miles in the snow and eaten from garbages, to get to work or school and prosper themselves?

BTW Ramen noodles here are usually 10 for $1 and I have eaten them.

My living expenses are astronomical. My mom lives with me, so for 2 people plus 7 cats.
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Rent: $975
Electric: $300-500/month
Phones: $900+/month (13 phone lines, installation fees)
Internet services: $600/month (No broadband in my area)
DirecTV: $100/month
Gas: $150/month
Garbage: $50/month
Car payment: $438/month
Car insurance: $270/month
Health insurance: $410/month
Credit lines: $1200/month (paying off furniture and computers)
Food and other supplies: $200/week (shampoo, cat food etc)
Storage garage: $115/month

Then income tax...

I'm buying a house next year and cutting out a lot of these expenses!!

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

No one is questioning how much anyone gives.

I am questioning YOUR ability to judge what life on the street is like unless you have lived there.

I am also pointing out that life tests us on those beliefs we hold so firmly all the time.

then please judge MY ablity to judge what life on the street is like (unless you have lived there). fucking joke.

"No one is questioning how much anyone gives."

that's what i thought.

some people love to yak. some actually do something. lol.

KRL · 09-21-2003, 09:47 PM

From what I've seen over the years, most homeless people become homeless after a highly traumatic event in their lives that basically messes up their heads to the point where they can no longer function normally and maintain day to day responsibilities.

They then enter the world of the homeless and its pretty much all down hill from there.

There is always a way to work and make enough money to survive.

So either they don't want to pull themselves out. Are so far gone off the deep end they couldn't get a job because of they are infested and stenched out so bad. They like the carefree life where all they have to worry about is getting some food each day.

I usually will give money to homeless people, unless they look healthy and workable, in which case I go 180 and stick in their face with "You need to get off your lazy ass and get a real job and pull yourself out of this rut your in" which usually surprises them quite a bit to hear.

It is pretty amazing that in a country as rich as ours with so many job opportunities and organizations to help that we still have such a problem with homeless people. But like I said, unless they are willing to help themselves at the end of the day there isn't much we can truly do.

eroswebmaster · 09-21-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

then please judge MY ablity to judge what life on the street is like (unless you have lived there). fucking joke.

"No one is questioning how much anyone gives."

that's what i thought.

some people love to yak. some actually do something. lol.

You are trying to take this into a bizarre direction that has nothing to do with the point at hand.

I could care less how much you give...or how much you have given.

Sure you have more to give...but once again that is not the issue.

You've made broad general statements on how simple life on the street should be...like hooking up a hot plate to a plug on the outside of a store...LOL

Have you ever lived on the street?

Have you ever lived in a shelter?

Have you ever been homeless?

If so fine, if not then how can you judge what it is like to do so?

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

You are trying to take this into a bizarre direction that has nothing to do with the point at hand.

I could care less how much you give...or how much you have given.

Sure you have more to give...but once again that is not the issue.

You've made broad general statements on how simple life on the street should be...like hooking up a hot plate to a plug on the outside of a store...LOL

Have you ever lived on the street?

Have you ever lived in a shelter?

Have you ever been homeless?

If so fine, if not then how can you judge what it is like to do so?

(1) have you (lived in a shelter, or been homeless)? i doubt it. so your point is fucking moot.

(2) i've made broad generalizations? i think you're the only one doing that. i stated the obvious. cheap soup, is infact cheap. and it's not that hard to boil water. duuuuh.

good attempt at a cop out though.

quiet · 09-21-2003, 09:59 PM

hurry up with your reply. i'm drinking and tired...

Lane · 09-21-2003, 10:00 PM

it should be illegal to be homeless..

eroswebmaster · 09-21-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

(1) have you (lived in a shelter, or been homeless)? i doubt it. so your point is fucking moot.

(2) i've made broad generalizations? i think you're the only one doing that. i stated the obvious. cheap soup, is infact cheap. and it's not that hard to boil water. duuuuh.

good attempt at a cop out though.

Aha....lol

#1 Yes I have. I have lived both in my car and in a shelter.
1 month in my car 2 weeks in a shelter, and 2 weeks in a tent.

#2 Once again since you have not lived on the street you have no clue as to how difficult it can be for some.

It's not like they're welcome everywhere..
Most store owners run them out of their stores because they scare off their customers, or they represent possible theft.

Long story on how it happened, but I've witnessed things during that time that would have kept the strongest of men down.

Like guys beating someone half to death because they thought they narced on them to the shelter people.

I know what it's like to go to sleep having to keep one hand on your shoes so you'll have them in the morning to wear.

I've bathed in public restrooms using nothing but baby wipes.

I survived. But that was out of sheer determination. I can't say that it never affected me...because it has. It's made me one paranoid motherfucker when it comes to housing...LOL.

Also when people get down to that level in life sometimes the worst comes out of them. There's rampant theft, rape, physical abuse, and murder.

There use to be a homeless couple I would help out almost every day in Venice Beach California.
I knew this couple for about a year, I saw them every day when I went to the post office.

When I first met them the guy who called himself pilgrim was fairly healthy and had just ended up on the street.

He soon developed a drinking problem and his girlfriend started to sleep around.

He went to bed one night and she had a couple of guys beat him so badly word on the street was he was dead.

But he showed back up a couple of months later. He now had a limp and a crooked eye.

From then on everytime I saw this guy it only got worse. In the end he probably died before reaching 30.

So man I have lived it. and as I said I survived it.

But damn man, it' s something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies because I would not want that shit to come back on me.

09-21-2003, 09:01 PM	#7
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Most have mental problems and/drug/alcohol problems.Any sane person would work anywhere rather than live like that __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

09-21-2003, 09:01 PM	#8
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i'm a capitalist libertarian (in your lingo)... basically, work asshole. don't tax me. stay the fuck out of my life. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

09-21-2003, 09:02 PM	#9
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	a lot of homeless ppl have mental illnesses or addictions to drugs or alcohol. i wouldn't say homeless ppl are just lazy. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

09-21-2003, 09:06 PM	#14
cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	OK for an apartment you'd need the down payment. You'd have to save up for that. You need transportation to and from work. Figure a $2.10 bus ride a day if you're lucky, maybe $8 if you're not so lucky(which is more likely, since most of the low wage jobs require a commute to a more affluent area). You need to eat, but you have no refridgerator or stove so you have to eat out. You COULD get fresh food but they don't sell that in the ghetto, they only sell fast food. You CAN get a refridgerator but without the money and no credit you'd have to rent one for a ridiculous amount. You can't even get a bank account because again, there's no banks in the ghetto. You have to use a check cashing place that takes a chunk of your profit, that's more money gone. It's ALOT more expensive to live as a poor person than a person who has something to start out with. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

09-21-2003, 09:08 PM	#17
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09-21-2003, 08:58 PM	#2
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	cuz they are lazy and 10 dolla electricy !??????????!11111 __________________ [email protected]

09-21-2003, 09:00 PM	#3
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Your cost of living is ridiculously low. I couldnt even run a laptop and desktop for $15 a month in electricity. $415 rent? I pay $680 for a 1 bedroom shithole. Food bill? I spend $250 a month on lunches alone.

09-21-2003, 09:01 PM	#5
GrimShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BONEPRONE MANSION serving drinks! Posts: 8,120	no solution to people who are not willing to help themselves

09-21-2003, 09:10 PM	#19
har har So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 409	its all about circumstances, you cant pt a figure or a reason as to why their homeles. i garauntee any one of you, that if you spent 1 week on the street in the cold by the end of that week you would be sick, tierd and have lost hope.........these people have nothing its not always their fault. and even if it is its your duty to help them, if you where in the situation you would want help too. humans help weach other out, but i see in american society its all about "me me me" you dont care about anyone elses problems, only yourself which is realy selfish and fucked up.

09-21-2003, 09:12 PM	#21
teenjump So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,595	We don't know why people are in the positions they are in. I knew a guy that was homeless, because is house burned down (yes he had insurance) but he lost his wife and kids in the fire. He fell apart and just lived on the street. Went sort of crazy.

09-21-2003, 09:19 PM	#29
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09-21-2003, 09:19 PM	#30
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,308	Most homeless people are homeless because they really cant cope with having to do things for themselfs they just cant get orginized enough and weather this is caused by just being to lazy or drug problem dosent matter. Even here in Aus where the welfare system is way over the top we still have homeless people even thou we pay the rent and give them up 1000$ a month to live on they are still homeless many say they cant cope with the welfare office and forms they must fill out. so they live on the street. __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

09-21-2003, 09:21 PM	#32
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	The homeless in my area that I am aware of...are strung out druggies...or alchoholics. They are that by choice. I would assume that they could not...or would not hold a job if they had one. An anecdotal story. I took in a homeless person one time (he was holding up a sign that said will work for food)...bought the person some clothes...got the person a job (a night floor man at a supermarket) and after about ten days or so...I left for the weekend on a trip. When I returned my house had been ransacked...and when I checked the person did not show up for work on the very night of the day I left. A couple of years later I coincidently spotted him in another city...looking even scroungier than when I had first saw him panhandling on the street. I approached him with the intentions of kicking his ass...but he was so stoned that he didn't recognize me...so I let it slide. I have not taken in a homeless person since. I personally believe that 90% of the homeless are homeless by the decisions they have made and continue to make. Fuck 'em. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

09-21-2003, 09:22 PM	#34
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09-21-2003, 09:26 PM	#37
robfantasy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Medellin, Colombia Posts: 6,445	i will give money to a homeless person if they do something for it like pick up the trash on the corner theyre begging at. ....an idea ive been thinking about and am going to try is to pay homeless people to hold cardboard signs with my URL on it at busy intersections and it will say: I am homeless because I spent all my money at HTTP://WWW.FANTASYENTERTAINMENT.NET __________________ Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg me

09-21-2003, 09:36 PM	#40
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09-21-2003, 09:45 PM	#43
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	I agree with Sly_RJ completely. Even though I envy his low cost living The homeless in America choose to be that way. Unless they have a mental condition that prevents them from knowing the difference, in which case the government will supply them with medical care and disability checks. As for the ones with drinking and drug problems, they choose to be that way. Fighting an addiction is NOT easy, but ultimately when it comes to choosing a home or crack, they choose their addiction. I know people that live under their means and have low cost living expenses like Sly_RJ. It is possible... but too many homeless and poverty level people, do not decipher expenses the way people with common sense do. Most apartments come with a stove, I've never seen one that doesn't. And if you go to social services, because you can't get in a shelter, they will pay for you to stay in a motel, because housing isn't available for you yet. It is sheer laziness, because hasn't anyone heard stories of people who have brushed their teeth in the rain, walked 30 miles in the snow and eaten from garbages, to get to work or school and prosper themselves? BTW Ramen noodles here are usually 10 for $1 and I have eaten them. My living expenses are astronomical. My mom lives with me, so for 2 people plus 7 cats. --------------------------------------------- Rent: $975 Electric: $300-500/month Phones: $900+/month (13 phone lines, installation fees) Internet services: $600/month (No broadband in my area) DirecTV: $100/month Gas: $150/month Garbage: $50/month Car payment: $438/month Car insurance: $270/month Health insurance: $410/month Credit lines: $1200/month (paying off furniture and computers) Food and other supplies: $200/week (shampoo, cat food etc) Storage garage: $115/month Then income tax... I'm buying a house next year and cutting out a lot of these expenses!! __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

09-21-2003, 09:47 PM	#45
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	From what I've seen over the years, most homeless people become homeless after a highly traumatic event in their lives that basically messes up their heads to the point where they can no longer function normally and maintain day to day responsibilities. They then enter the world of the homeless and its pretty much all down hill from there. There is always a way to work and make enough money to survive. So either they don't want to pull themselves out. Are so far gone off the deep end they couldn't get a job because of they are infested and stenched out so bad. They like the carefree life where all they have to worry about is getting some food each day. I usually will give money to homeless people, unless they look healthy and workable, in which case I go 180 and stick in their face with "You need to get off your lazy ass and get a real job and pull yourself out of this rut your in" which usually surprises them quite a bit to hear. It is pretty amazing that in a country as rich as ours with so many job opportunities and organizations to help that we still have such a problem with homeless people. But like I said, unless they are willing to help themselves at the end of the day there isn't much we can truly do. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-21-2003, 09:59 PM	#48
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	hurry up with your reply. i'm drinking and tired... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

09-21-2003, 10:00 PM	#49
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	it should be illegal to be homeless.. __________________