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My theory on the homeless...
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-- I live in San Diego, a fairly expensive city to live in. I live a block away from a large University, meaning my cost of living may be higher than other areas of the city due to space. I figured out my daily cost of living. Granted, this includes no "extras" or "luxuries", but honestly I really don't buy that type of stuff. Monthly rent: $415 Phone bill: $7 Electric bill: $15 Cable bill: $10 Internet bill: $50 Food bill (I eat good, too): $150 Grand total: $647 Which comes out to about $22 daily. It costs me around $22 a day to live fairly comfortably and happy. Now, a homeless person wouldn't have a good chunk of these expenses. Monthly rent: shelters and hostels, no? Phone bill: no bill, let's say $5 for pay phone use. Electric bill: no electric bill. Cable bill: no cable bill. Internet bill: no Internet bill. Food bill: when I first moved out I was living on $100 monthly eating crap. We'll say that. Grand total: $105 A homeless man would need around $3-4 daily to break even. Anything over that $3-4 daily could be saved, spent on "extras" (medicine, entertainment, better food, drugs, alcohol, etc), or it could be used to better his life (buy new clothes and look for jobs.) Ok, so homeless man needs $4 daily. Now how the hell does homeless man get $4 daily? Well, I often see homeless people recycling cans and bottles for cash (every week I give a neighborhood homeless man over 100 bottles to recycle), I ALWAYS see homeless people asking for spare change or food, OR they could go out on a limb and spruce up just a bit so they can get a job. What jobs? Our economy sucks! Whether you want to believe it or not, there are still plenty of jobs around. I see them all the time. One of the main reasons people always claim there are no jobs available is because they would NEVER consider working at any of the available jobs. Fast food, janitorial, washing cars, street sales, etc. So again, this is just my weak theory. I've pointed out how much money is needed to live (and grow) and I've also pointed out ways to make that little amount of needed cash. Why are there homeless people? |
cuz they are lazy
and 10 dolla electricy !??????????!11111 |
Your cost of living is ridiculously low. I couldnt even run a laptop and desktop for $15 a month in electricity. $415 rent? I pay $680 for a 1 bedroom shithole. Food bill? I spend $250 a month on lunches alone.
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no solution to people who are not willing to help themselves
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Most have mental problems and/drug/alcohol problems.Any sane person would work anywhere rather than live like that
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i'm a capitalist libertarian (in your lingo)...
basically, work asshole. don't tax me. stay the fuck out of my life. |
a lot of homeless ppl have mental illnesses or addictions to drugs or alcohol. i wouldn't say homeless ppl are just lazy.
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Bingo.
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1 : If a 400 $ rent was expensive then what the fuck now ! Unless you live with 5 people in a medium appartement it's kinda impossible Electric bill: $15 = ROFLMAO and btw, homeless people can't cook so they gotta go at the restaurent . They pay way more than it cost you make your home food ... And eating on 150 $ a month is possible I dunno ... you gotta eat lot of TOFU and that kidn of shit . |
OK for an apartment you'd need the down payment. You'd have to save up for that. You need transportation to and from work. Figure a $2.10 bus ride a day if you're lucky, maybe $8 if you're not so lucky(which is more likely, since most of the low wage jobs require a commute to a more affluent area). You need to eat, but you have no refridgerator or stove so you have to eat out. You COULD get fresh food but they don't sell that in the ghetto, they only sell fast food. You CAN get a refridgerator but without the money and no credit you'd have to rent one for a ridiculous amount.
You can't even get a bank account because again, there's no banks in the ghetto. You have to use a check cashing place that takes a chunk of your profit, that's more money gone. It's ALOT more expensive to live as a poor person than a person who has something to start out with. |
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Haha, ok, forget about my expenses. LOL. What can I say, I invest most of my income. :winkwink: |
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Ok, I'm busted. I live with mommy and daddy.
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its all about circumstances, you cant pt a figure or a reason as to why their homeles.
i garauntee any one of you, that if you spent 1 week on the street in the cold by the end of that week you would be sick, tierd and have lost hope.........these people have nothing its not always their fault. and even if it is its your duty to help them, if you where in the situation you would want help too. humans help weach other out, but i see in american society its all about "me me me" you dont care about anyone elses problems, only yourself which is realy selfish and fucked up. |
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oh shit this is funny. |
We don't know why people are in the positions they are in. I knew a guy that was homeless, because is house burned down (yes he had insurance) but he lost his wife and kids in the fire. He fell apart and just lived on the street. Went sort of crazy.
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Transportation over $2-3 a day? If you're lazy, sure. Most cities have small "niche communities". Now based on where you would be staying (a shelter or hostel) you would need to find some place relatively close to work at. If you need to walk 2-5 miles to work, so be it. A lot of people do it. Spending the extra money on the bus tickets is a choice, not a necessity. |
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Plus food is way more expensive in the hood. I lost my license once and the only way to get to college was the bus. I had to stop in Paterson every day(people in NJ will know where I'm talking about). I'd usually end up spending a good amount of time there around lunch or dinner time so sometimes I'd eat there. Even at major chains, the food prices are jacked way up. Supply and demand. |
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bah... |
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I like ketchup soup.It reminds me of the times I had to struggle to make it work..It builds character:glugglug
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Most homeless people are homeless because they really cant cope with having to do things for themselfs they just cant get orginized enough and weather this is caused by just being to lazy or drug problem dosent matter.
Even here in Aus where the welfare system is way over the top we still have homeless people even thou we pay the rent and give them up 1000$ a month to live on they are still homeless many say they cant cope with the welfare office and forms they must fill out. so they live on the street. |
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The homeless in my area that I am aware of...are strung out druggies...or alchoholics. They are that by choice. I would assume that they could not...or would not hold a job if they had one.
An anecdotal story. I took in a homeless person one time (he was holding up a sign that said will work for food)...bought the person some clothes...got the person a job (a night floor man at a supermarket) and after about ten days or so...I left for the weekend on a trip. When I returned my house had been ransacked...and when I checked the person did not show up for work on the very night of the day I left. A couple of years later I coincidently spotted him in another city...looking even scroungier than when I had first saw him panhandling on the street. I approached him with the intentions of kicking his ass...but he was so stoned that he didn't recognize me...so I let it slide. I have not taken in a homeless person since. I personally believe that 90% of the homeless are homeless by the decisions they have made and continue to make. Fuck 'em. |
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fucking stupid. |
ramen noodles at walmart is less than 25 cents.
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I think what cluck is really trying to tell us is that homeless people are really either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves. Thus, they need help. |
i will give money to a homeless person if they do something for it like pick up the trash on the corner theyre begging at.
....an idea ive been thinking about and am going to try is to pay homeless people to hold cardboard signs with my URL on it at busy intersections and it will say: I am homeless because I spent all my money at HTTP://WWW.FANTASYENTERTAINMENT.NET |
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You have to go to a real bad area to actually find the people you can feel bad for. Alot of the people are even going to work but still can't get an apartment. Alot of that shit depends on credit history too. |
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Walk a mile in their shoes.
Funny thing about life. There's this thing people like to call Karma, or say what goes around comes around, reap what you sow...etc. Well, that funny thing is that life will throw you such a breaking curve sometimes and test you on what you say. Instant Karma's a motherfucker. |
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karma is a bitch, agreed. |
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I am questioning YOUR ability to judge what life on the street is like unless you have lived there. I am also pointing out that life tests us on those beliefs we hold so firmly all the time. |
I agree with Sly_RJ completely. Even though I envy his low cost living :1orglaugh
The homeless in America choose to be that way. Unless they have a mental condition that prevents them from knowing the difference, in which case the government will supply them with medical care and disability checks. As for the ones with drinking and drug problems, they choose to be that way. Fighting an addiction is NOT easy, but ultimately when it comes to choosing a home or crack, they choose their addiction. I know people that live under their means and have low cost living expenses like Sly_RJ. It is possible... but too many homeless and poverty level people, do not decipher expenses the way people with common sense do. Most apartments come with a stove, I've never seen one that doesn't. And if you go to social services, because you can't get in a shelter, they will pay for you to stay in a motel, because housing isn't available for you yet. It is sheer laziness, because hasn't anyone heard stories of people who have brushed their teeth in the rain, walked 30 miles in the snow and eaten from garbages, to get to work or school and prosper themselves? BTW Ramen noodles here are usually 10 for $1 and I have eaten them. :1orglaugh My living expenses are astronomical. My mom lives with me, so for 2 people plus 7 cats. --------------------------------------------- Rent: $975 Electric: $300-500/month Phones: $900+/month (13 phone lines, installation fees) Internet services: $600/month (No broadband in my area) DirecTV: $100/month Gas: $150/month Garbage: $50/month Car payment: $438/month Car insurance: $270/month Health insurance: $410/month Credit lines: $1200/month (paying off furniture and computers) Food and other supplies: $200/week (shampoo, cat food etc) Storage garage: $115/month Then income tax... :helpme I'm buying a house next year and cutting out a lot of these expenses!! |
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"No one is questioning how much anyone gives." that's what i thought. some people love to yak. some actually do something. lol. |
From what I've seen over the years, most homeless people become homeless after a highly traumatic event in their lives that basically messes up their heads to the point where they can no longer function normally and maintain day to day responsibilities.
They then enter the world of the homeless and its pretty much all down hill from there. There is always a way to work and make enough money to survive. So either they don't want to pull themselves out. Are so far gone off the deep end they couldn't get a job because of they are infested and stenched out so bad. They like the carefree life where all they have to worry about is getting some food each day. I usually will give money to homeless people, unless they look healthy and workable, in which case I go 180 and stick in their face with "You need to get off your lazy ass and get a real job and pull yourself out of this rut your in" which usually surprises them quite a bit to hear. It is pretty amazing that in a country as rich as ours with so many job opportunities and organizations to help that we still have such a problem with homeless people. But like I said, unless they are willing to help themselves at the end of the day there isn't much we can truly do. |
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I could care less how much you give...or how much you have given. Sure you have more to give...but once again that is not the issue. You've made broad general statements on how simple life on the street should be...like hooking up a hot plate to a plug on the outside of a store...LOL Have you ever lived on the street? Have you ever lived in a shelter? Have you ever been homeless? If so fine, if not then how can you judge what it is like to do so? |
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(2) i've made broad generalizations? i think you're the only one doing that. i stated the obvious. cheap soup, is infact cheap. and it's not that hard to boil water. duuuuh. good attempt at a cop out though. |
hurry up with your reply. i'm drinking and tired...
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it should be illegal to be homeless..
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Aha....lol #1 Yes I have. I have lived both in my car and in a shelter. 1 month in my car 2 weeks in a shelter, and 2 weeks in a tent. #2 Once again since you have not lived on the street you have no clue as to how difficult it can be for some. It's not like they're welcome everywhere.. Most store owners run them out of their stores because they scare off their customers, or they represent possible theft. Long story on how it happened, but I've witnessed things during that time that would have kept the strongest of men down. Like guys beating someone half to death because they thought they narced on them to the shelter people. I know what it's like to go to sleep having to keep one hand on your shoes so you'll have them in the morning to wear. I've bathed in public restrooms using nothing but baby wipes. I survived. But that was out of sheer determination. I can't say that it never affected me...because it has. It's made me one paranoid motherfucker when it comes to housing...LOL. Also when people get down to that level in life sometimes the worst comes out of them. There's rampant theft, rape, physical abuse, and murder. There use to be a homeless couple I would help out almost every day in Venice Beach California. I knew this couple for about a year, I saw them every day when I went to the post office. When I first met them the guy who called himself pilgrim was fairly healthy and had just ended up on the street. He soon developed a drinking problem and his girlfriend started to sleep around. He went to bed one night and she had a couple of guys beat him so badly word on the street was he was dead. But he showed back up a couple of months later. He now had a limp and a crooked eye. From then on everytime I saw this guy it only got worse. In the end he probably died before reaching 30. So man I have lived it. and as I said I survived it. But damn man, it' s something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies because I would not want that shit to come back on me. |
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