Is this a CJ rip off? - GoFuckYourself.com

cindyc · 09-19-2003, 12:51 AM

http://www.mentalshed.com/

or am I missing something...

MattO · 09-19-2003, 12:52 AM

yes and no

drunkdollars · 09-19-2003, 12:54 AM

yes but without the content

chuk · 09-19-2003, 01:26 AM

It's not intended to be a cj ripoff - it just sorta happened that way.

I realize it looks like it, but I'm really not anywhere in the class that cj is, and I'm not in competition with them, so it doesn't really matter.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-19-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by chuk
It's not intended to be a cj ripoff - it just sorta happened that way.

I realize it looks like it, but I'm really not anywhere in the class that cj is, and I'm not in competition with them, so it doesn't really matter.

Thats lame.....

I have 3 AVS CJ (Type/Concept) ripoff sites, but they all point to CJ in a very obvious way, so I dont think they will mind the quality traffic they get.

Your site is SO obvious, how you can say it is not? The whole design is the same!

And then to put it in your GFY sig !!??!! ....... are you mad?

BTW I am very drunk....... I therefore add a disclamer to all post..... I am very drunk

chuk · 09-19-2003, 01:42 AM

I've been running mentalshed.com for almost 2 years now and have been slowly changing the design the whole time. It's not like I bought a domain name yesterday and ripped off cj.

Theo · 09-19-2003, 01:43 AM

100% copy

you copied even their advertising section
http://www.mentalshed.com/advertise.php

the difference is that you barely have 500hits/day

Theo · 09-19-2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by chuk
for almost 2 years now

Domain name: mentalshed.com
Created: Feb 18 2003 15:27:35
Expires: Feb 18 2004 15:27:35

chuk · 09-19-2003, 01:46 AM

1. My traffic varies between 800-1500 uniques/day
2. I just set up the ad section today, and yeah I barrowed the look, but on a very small scale.
3. I'm not competing with them. I'm just making my own money in my own corner of the net. I'm not here to impress anyone.

chuk · 09-19-2003, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

Domain name: mentalshed.com
Created: Feb 18 2003 15:27:35
Expires: Feb 18 2004 15:27:35

Check the Google cache - I couldn't afford a domain until february.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-19-2003, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuk

Check the Google cache - I couldn't afford a domain until february.

And this is meant to make it better how?

CJ is a great concept...... It is generic, however, but in the same way "porn" can be "copied" so can the CJ concept.

But too just rip off the site is not a good move.

BTW I am very drunk....... I therefore add a disclamer to all post..... I am very drunk

Theo · 09-19-2003, 01:59 AM

you know better man

have in mind clones never worked good for anyone.

DarkJedi · 09-19-2003, 01:59 AM

LOL, what an idiot.

chuk · 09-19-2003, 02:00 AM

I'm just saying my site has listings in google's cache up to almost 2 years ago.

Fuck it. Yep. I ripped off cj. I'm a horrible code-stealing bastard because my site looks like cj, which looks like a million other fucking sites...

Damian_Maxcash · 09-19-2003, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuk
I'm just saying my site has listings in google's cache up to almost 2 years ago.

Fuck it. Yep. I ripped off cj. I'm a horrible code-stealing bastard because my site looks like cj, which looks like a million other fucking sites...

A million sites look like CJ...... I think that is the point

god damn I feel like a fuck wit...... but6 I am pissed so.... WTF

Theo · 09-19-2003, 02:07 AM

at least you have your own signature

chuk · 09-19-2003, 02:22 AM

The internet isn't exactly my strong point - I'm a musician: http://underburningskys.mentalshed.com/main.php

Libertine · 09-19-2003, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by chuk
The internet isn't exactly my strong point - I'm a musician: http://underburningskys.mentalshed.com/main.php

Music isn't exactly my strong point - mind if I rip off yours?

MarcWomack · 09-29-2003, 12:00 PM

Yo Chuk,

Sorry, for delay, I've been offline for a bit. I think you should call me for a little chat. That would be the best way to handle this. I know imitation is the ultimate flattery, but for you to say you did anything other than steal is bullshit. Content is content, we've got no more of a claim to it than you do. BUT we damn sure take a claim to our design. Christ man, you even stole our DHTML nav.

You are in competition with us, so don't say anything otherwise. You'll never make any real competition for us, especially because your site wreaks of rip-off of such a well known brand.

All this said, I don't feel like dealing with this in any major way. Too small time. Give credit where credit is due, throw up a few links to CJ and we'll call it a day.

My cel: 404-808-3187

Mr. Jim · 09-29-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by ConsumptionJunction
Yo Chuk,

Sorry, for delay, I've been offline for a bit. I think you should call me for a little chat. That would be the best way to handle this. I know imitation is the ultimate flattery, but for you to say you did anything other than steal is bullshit. Content is content, we've got no more of a claim to it than you do. BUT we damn sure take a claim to our design. Christ man, you even stole our DHTML nav.

You are in competition with us, so don't say anything otherwise. You'll never make any real competition for us, especially because your site wreaks of rip-off of such a well known brand.

All this said, I don't feel like dealing with this in any major way. Too small time. Give credit where credit is due, throw up a few links to CJ and we'll call it a day.

My cel: 404-808-3187

I could not be more impressed with the way you have chosen to handle this.

Props to Consumption Junction

Shok · 09-29-2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cindyc
http://www.mentalshed.com/

or am I missing something...

narc

MattO · 09-29-2003, 12:08 PM

-=HOAX=- · 09-29-2003, 12:27 PM

At least he's not competent enough to steal the writing style...

EZRhino · 09-29-2003, 12:36 PM

Its a rip off of CJ. They should have atleast put more effort into it, since all the work is done.

chuk · 09-29-2003, 02:47 PM

Now shut the fuck up.

Filter · 09-29-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuk

Now shut the fuck up.

Wow you are like just so tough it makes my knees rattle....

FATPad · 09-29-2003, 02:55 PM

I must be the only one who sees the irony in this.

BeHeadR · 09-29-2003, 02:58 PM

good god, if you are going to be so obvious about stealing at least come up with a better story than that.

You have proven you can't design a site for shit, nor can you convincingly lie about it....you fail at life

Johny Traffic · 09-29-2003, 02:59 PM

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I must be the only one who sees the irony in this.

Sly_RJ · 09-29-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
I must be the only one who sees the irony in this.

chuk · 09-29-2003, 03:06 PM

I'm not trying to be a hardass, but all of you, who have nothing to do with it, are. And I'm not lying about shit. I barrowed some ideas, and I fucked up. It's just pushing me to work harder rather than take the easy way down the design path.

I always have a hard time designing shit for myself, but I've never had any complaints from clients.

So I'm not being a hardass, I'm just telling you igorant assholes to shut the fuck up. Until it has anything to do with you, just fuck off

Shok · 09-29-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
I must be the only one who sees the irony in this.

roflmao

JMM · 09-29-2003, 03:26 PM

No FATPAD, not the only one.

Before JMM the jealous hater jumps to conclusions, let me make sure I understand the situation.

Someone from CJ, a company that makes its living using content it does NOT have legal rights to use, wants the guy who owns mentalshed to call him so they can discuss the rip off of CJ's design????

Do I have this right???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

HYSTERICAL!

CJ, a word to the wise: Live by the sword, die by the sword.

sweetcuties · 09-29-2003, 03:28 PM

Blantant rip off

MarcWomack · 09-29-2003, 03:38 PM

"a company that makes its living using content it does NOT have legal rights to use"

Check yourself there chief. Make sure you know what you're talking about.

CJ a company that posts stuff that bounces around the net and makes a HUGE effort (only site like that does) to NEVER post anyone's porn content. CJ, a company that has been doing business with every major player in this biz and has hundreds of happy customers making money off our traffic. CJ, a company that runs it's own program (www.cjbucks.com) and completely understands how detrimental stealing porn content is. CJ, a company that has a very simple policy: if we fuck up and post your content, we'll remove it IMMEDIATELY or gladly turn it into an ad and send you traffic for FREE. CJ, a company that has over 10,000,000 monthly surfers and delivers that traffic to this industry WITHOUT ripping people off, fucking anyone over, or any other shady shit.

Also, read my post. I wasn't bitching about content. I alluded to the fact that we have no right to complain about content. I was talking about design.

ALSO, I talked w/ this chuk guy. We made our peace. He's cool.

JMM · 09-29-2003, 03:51 PM

Every time I think I have read the most ridiculously pathetic post, GFY comes through and someone beats it.

CJ said: CJ a company that posts stuff that bounces around the net and makes a HUGE effort (only site like that does) to NEVER post anyone's porn content.

Now, please explain to me what principle of law makes this legal.

Don't waste your time, there is none.

Hysterical. Really. Hysterical.

Juicy D. Links · 09-29-2003, 03:54 PM

LIL2RICH ?? YOU GUYS RELATED??/

Rick Latona · 09-29-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMM
Every time I think I have read the most ridiculously pathetic post, GFY comes through and someone beats it.

CJ said: CJ a company that posts stuff that bounces around the net and makes a HUGE effort (only site like that does) to NEVER post anyone's porn content.

Now, please explain to me what principle of law makes this legal.

Don't waste your time, there is none.

Hysterical. Really. Hysterical.

I just quit smoking so I'm going to do my best to stay cool here.

JMM, you go out of your way to post in every thread that is about us. Clearly you are on the front lines of the copyright wars and have a vested interest in speaking your voice and making it clear to the thousands of webmasters here what your opinion on the matter is.

The bottom line is we are not exactly going to shut the site down and call it a day. We've got a lucrative business here that continues to grow. You should be happy that we own it and not this chuck chump whom I would have eaten for lunch had I seen this before Marc. We realize and respect the fine line we walk every day and take every pain possible to make sure we cater to the adult industry as best we can.

As a content company you are best to watermark your images and DRM your videos so people like us know it is your content. Don't expect that you can change the file sharing nature of the Internet. You can't change the world on your own. What can be digitised can be shared for free. Its that simple.

So, stop picking fights with the one company who always listens to concerns and works with nearly everyone in the business. There are certainly better fights to pick out there. We can work with you or against you. It is your choice at this point. We can be a great friend or a excellent adversary.

As for the chuck chump, he's an idiot. I wonder what he would do if his site takes off and he faces the same ethical business decisions we face every 20 minutes?

Rick Latona · 09-29-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Shok

roflmao

Shok,

I'm still waiting on that returned phone call. I missed you in Miami. ;)

JMM · 09-29-2003, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona

I just quit smoking so I'm going to do my best to stay cool here.

JMM, you go out of your way to post in every thread that is about us. Clearly you are on the front lines of the copyright wars and have a vested interest in speaking your voice and making it clear to the thousands of webmasters here what your opinion on the matter is.

The bottom line is we are not exactly going to shut the site down and call it a day. We've got a lucrative business here that continues to grow. You should be happy that we own it and not this chuck chump whom I would have eaten for lunch had I seen this before Marc. We realize and respect the fine line we walk every day and take every pain possible to make sure we cater to the adult industry as best we can.

As a content company you are best to watermark your images and DRM your videos so people like us know it is your content. Don't expect that you can change the file sharing nature of the Internet. You can't change the world on your own. What can be digitised can be shared for free. Its that simple.

So, stop picking fights with the one company who always listens to concerns and works with nearly everyone in the business. There are certainly better fights to pick out there. We can work with you or against you. It is your choice at this point. We can be a great friend or a excellent adversary.

As for the chuck chump, he's an idiot. I wonder what he would do if his site takes off and he faces the same ethical business decisions we face every 20 minutes?

Rick: You seem like an intelligent person. If you stepped back and read your post objectively, I think you would be able to see how ridiculous it is.

You seem to think because you listen to webmaster concerns and take pains to cater to the adult industry that it is ok for you to break the law? Fact: IT IS NOT. Fact: You are breaking the law.

You tell me that as a content company I should watermark my images and use DRM on videos, otherwise its fair game? RIDICULOUS. Federal law DOES NOT require that a copyright notice appear anywhere on the content. It is YOUR obligation to obtain legal rights or legal license to content BEFORE YOU USE IT. If you are unable to do so, the solution is simple, YOU DONT USE THE CONTENT, PERIOD. You put the burden on the IP owner, which is RIDICULOUS. The burden is yours Rick.

Your statement that what can be digitized can be shared goes against the EXACT principle of law that protects rights holders. You are breaking the law. You are using content that you do not have legal rights to use or distribute. The fact that you work with the industry and listen to it's concerns means nothing. The law is the law. This industry tolerates copyright infringers if they throw great parties or have great drugs, that is not news to anyone.

I will give you a clear example. I don't often appear in court on our cases. I did in the beginning because I was learning and curious. In 1998 I obtainted a $230,000 judgement against a website using our content. I was in court and I heard this with my own ears, so this is not second hand:

The lawyer for the defendant said to the judge: "your honor, none of the pictures contained any copyright notice or referring text whatsoever. My client could not have possibly known who the copyright holder was."

The judge responded: Mr. Davis, that is correct, there were no copyright notices or referring text on the images. Without exhaustive research your client could not have known who the copyright holder was. However, AT ALL TIMES, your client knew who the copyright holder was NOT, him.

Judgement for the plaintiff. We ended up settling for half. It was a good day.

See my point Rick. This is NOT the wild wild west. With the exception of some of the porn that is given to you to use LEGALLY, much of the content on CJ is owned by someone, and you do NOT have permission to use it.

That is copyright infringement. That is illegal. That is bullshit.

Mike AI · 09-29-2003, 06:35 PM

Rick, you should just ignore these kind of threads... all you do is rationalize content theft.

Shok · 09-29-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona

Shok,

I'm still waiting on that returned phone call. I missed you in Miami. ;)

holy shit Rick, sorry man my bad, I'll talk to you in the morning on icq

JDog · 09-29-2003, 07:02 PM

Kindof, I think...but who knows, maybe CJ ripped them off...LOL, nah, couldn't be that!

jDoG

uranidiot · 09-29-2003, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

Domain name: mentalshed.com
Created: Feb 18 2003 15:27:35
Expires: Feb 18 2004 15:27:35

Ever heard of annual domain renewal?

09-19-2003, 12:51 AM	#1
cindyc Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 110	Is this a CJ rip off? http://www.mentalshed.com/ or am I missing something...

09-19-2003, 12:54 AM	#3
drunkdollars Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Club Drunk Posts: 2,734	yes but without the content __________________ SIGS ARE GAY 98055668 icq

09-29-2003, 12:00 PM	#19
MarcWomack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 529	Yo Chuk, Sorry, for delay, I've been offline for a bit. I think you should call me for a little chat. That would be the best way to handle this. I know imitation is the ultimate flattery, but for you to say you did anything other than steal is bullshit. Content is content, we've got no more of a claim to it than you do. BUT we damn sure take a claim to our design. Christ man, you even stole our DHTML nav. You are in competition with us, so don't say anything otherwise. You'll never make any real competition for us, especially because your site wreaks of rip-off of such a well known brand. All this said, I don't feel like dealing with this in any major way. Too small time. Give credit where credit is due, throw up a few links to CJ and we'll call it a day. My cel: 404-808-3187 __________________ Regards, MarcWomack.com Internet Advertising & Outsourcing Consultant

09-29-2003, 12:27 PM	#23
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	At least he's not competent enough to steal the writing style... __________________ Insert Value Here.

09-29-2003, 02:55 PM	#27
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	I must be the only one who sees the irony in this. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

09-19-2003, 12:52 AM	#2
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	yes and no

09-19-2003, 01:26 AM	#4
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	It's not intended to be a cj ripoff - it just sorta happened that way. I realize it looks like it, but I'm really not anywhere in the class that cj is, and I'm not in competition with them, so it doesn't really matter.

09-19-2003, 01:42 AM	#6
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	I've been running mentalshed.com for almost 2 years now and have been slowly changing the design the whole time. It's not like I bought a domain name yesterday and ripped off cj.

09-19-2003, 01:43 AM	#7
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	100% copy you copied even their advertising section http://www.mentalshed.com/advertise.php the difference is that you barely have 500hits/day

09-19-2003, 01:46 AM	#9
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	1. My traffic varies between 800-1500 uniques/day 2. I just set up the ad section today, and yeah I barrowed the look, but on a very small scale. 3. I'm not competing with them. I'm just making my own money in my own corner of the net. I'm not here to impress anyone.

09-19-2003, 01:59 AM	#12
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	you know better man have in mind clones never worked good for anyone.

09-19-2003, 01:59 AM	#13
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	LOL, what an idiot.

09-19-2003, 02:00 AM	#14
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	I'm just saying my site has listings in google's cache up to almost 2 years ago. Fuck it. Yep. I ripped off cj. I'm a horrible code-stealing bastard because my site looks like cj, which looks like a million other fucking sites...

09-19-2003, 02:07 AM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	at least you have your own signature

09-19-2003, 02:22 AM	#17
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	The internet isn't exactly my strong point - I'm a musician: http://underburningskys.mentalshed.com/main.php

09-29-2003, 12:08 PM	#22
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861

09-29-2003, 12:36 PM	#24
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	Its a rip off of CJ. They should have atleast put more effort into it, since all the work is done.

09-29-2003, 02:47 PM	#25
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	Now shut the fuck up.

09-29-2003, 02:58 PM	#28
BeHeadR Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 1,152	good god, if you are going to be so obvious about stealing at least come up with a better story than that. You have proven you can't design a site for shit, nor can you convincingly lie about it....you fail at life __________________ ICQ 40402622 The only sig on GFY without spam!

09-29-2003, 03:06 PM	#31
chuk Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WI Posts: 682	I'm not trying to be a hardass, but all of you, who have nothing to do with it, are. And I'm not lying about shit. I barrowed some ideas, and I fucked up. It's just pushing me to work harder rather than take the easy way down the design path. I always have a hard time designing shit for myself, but I've never had any complaints from clients. So I'm not being a hardass, I'm just telling you igorant assholes to shut the fuck up. Until it has anything to do with you, just fuck off

09-29-2003, 03:26 PM	#33
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	No FATPAD, not the only one. Before JMM the jealous hater jumps to conclusions, let me make sure I understand the situation. Someone from CJ, a company that makes its living using content it does NOT have legal rights to use, wants the guy who owns mentalshed to call him so they can discuss the rip off of CJ's design???? Do I have this right??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HYSTERICAL! CJ, a word to the wise: Live by the sword, die by the sword.

09-29-2003, 03:28 PM	#34
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Blantant rip off __________________

09-29-2003, 03:38 PM	#35
MarcWomack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 529	"a company that makes its living using content it does NOT have legal rights to use" Check yourself there chief. Make sure you know what you're talking about. CJ a company that posts stuff that bounces around the net and makes a HUGE effort (only site like that does) to NEVER post anyone's porn content. CJ, a company that has been doing business with every major player in this biz and has hundreds of happy customers making money off our traffic. CJ, a company that runs it's own program (www.cjbucks.com) and completely understands how detrimental stealing porn content is. CJ, a company that has a very simple policy: if we fuck up and post your content, we'll remove it IMMEDIATELY or gladly turn it into an ad and send you traffic for FREE. CJ, a company that has over 10,000,000 monthly surfers and delivers that traffic to this industry WITHOUT ripping people off, fucking anyone over, or any other shady shit. Also, read my post. I wasn't bitching about content. I alluded to the fact that we have no right to complain about content. I was talking about design. ALSO, I talked w/ this chuk guy. We made our peace. He's cool. __________________ Regards, MarcWomack.com Internet Advertising & Outsourcing Consultant

09-29-2003, 03:51 PM	#36
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	Every time I think I have read the most ridiculously pathetic post, GFY comes through and someone beats it. CJ said: CJ a company that posts stuff that bounces around the net and makes a HUGE effort (only site like that does) to NEVER post anyone's porn content. Now, please explain to me what principle of law makes this legal. Don't waste your time, there is none. Hysterical. Really. Hysterical.

09-29-2003, 03:54 PM	#37
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	LIL2RICH ?? YOU GUYS RELATED??/

09-29-2003, 06:35 PM	#41
Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	Rick, you should just ignore these kind of threads... all you do is rationalize content theft. __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

09-29-2003, 07:02 PM	#43
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