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bluecrawl · 09-16-2003, 06:43 AM

Hey, this is for all you companies wanting ADULT WEB DESIGN.

If you want quality, reliable site designs, DO NOT USE THESE COMPANIES:

http://adultwebexperts.com/
http://www.wildxsites.com/
http://www.totalwebenterprises.com/adultsolutions/
http://www.bitchmedia.com/index_en.html
http://not4kidsdesigns.com/

I know what your thinking, ?this guy is not serious? I am? All the above companies promise you everything to get you to pay the deposit. Once you have, lol, it?s very different. The mood changes.

You may think I was wasting people?s time ? not at all! All I wanted was a satisfactory design. I tried one company, he promised me the best design on the net ? it was shit! I told him, they alter it, still no good! They argue to show you more. If you ask for a refund, you may as well eat shit! These pricks keep your money and your trust!!

In all, I have been ripped off for over $2000. So I just wanna get it out there to people looking for designers, avoid this shit-fake-rip off designers.

My name is Andrew.

I AM TELLING YOU FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. IF YOU $$$ IS PRECIOUS TO YOU STEER CLEAR OF THESE.

You can email me @ [email protected] or AIM: andrewmjolley

If you are looking for a designer and have come across any of these guys, contact me I can send you every ICQ history between me and these guys.

Corleone · 09-16-2003, 07:10 AM

bad kind of promo ...

JamesK · 09-16-2003, 07:13 AM

ha sounds good

badmunchkin · 09-16-2003, 07:14 AM

Maybe you're just a picky a-hole who's not satisfied with anything. You went through all those design companies & none of them were able to satisfy your requirements? I find that very hard to believe.

PM2 · 09-16-2003, 07:15 AM

someone is out 50bucks

bluecrawl · 09-16-2003, 07:22 AM

not at all munchkin.

these guys are BAD, if you dont belive me, then shut up and go give them ur money, but u will get fucked. these dicks! cudnt satisfyyyyy a horse!!

badmunchkin · 09-16-2003, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluecrawl
not at all munchkin.

these guys are BAD, if you dont belive me, then shut up and go give them ur money, but u will get fucked. these dicks! cudnt satisfyyyyy a horse!!

haha, ok. Well, jesus, maybe you should have done a little more research first. I mean it looked like they all had portfolios. What you see is what you get, y'know?

mikeeee · 09-16-2003, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by badmunchkin
Maybe you're just a picky a-hole who's not satisfied with anything. You went through all those design companies & none of them were able to satisfy your requirements? I find that very hard to believe.

lol, true. I think all designers should take note of this guys' name and email and blacklist him. He's never satisfied.

okny · 09-16-2003, 07:24 AM

http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=14734

Here read this fellas talk about who ripped who off.

Herb Kornfield · 09-16-2003, 07:26 AM

Posting this again in a new thread?

Post the convos for all to see if you are going to call bullshit on a web design crew so we can all see it instead of just slamming someone without proof.

mikeeee · 09-16-2003, 07:28 AM

yeah, let's see the design work you got done that is so unsatisfactory. For all we know you got a personal problem with these guys and you're bashing them. Show the work, and how much you paid. Maybe you wanted a 3 page tour for 100 bucks? lol!

badmunchkin · 09-16-2003, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by okny
http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=14734

Here read this fellas talk about who ripped who off.

haha, too funny. This guy sounds like a total BS scam artist. Designers Beware! Bad Customer!

okny · 09-16-2003, 07:30 AM

Read XBiz thread and see how many designer he asked to do design, and never paid them a dime.

har har · 09-16-2003, 07:30 AM

waaa waaaaaaaaa

sooky bitchass

okny · 09-16-2003, 07:31 AM

I have no more comments on this 19 year old moron.

badmunchkin · 09-16-2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by okny
I have no more comments on this 19 year old moron.

bluecrawl, it looks like one of your designers (okny) is right here. Why'd you get all quiet all of a sudden. 'Cuz you're full of shit?

okny · 09-16-2003, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by badmunchkin
bluecrawl, it looks like one of your designers (okny) is right here. Why'd you get all quiet all of a sudden. 'Cuz you're full of shit?

Thats what i'm saying because he knows he is wrong, and he thinks because he will post some stupid thing about my company people will stop doing business with me rofl. We been in this game since 1996 and havent ripped one person off.

bluecrawl · 09-16-2003, 07:50 AM

shit, isn't it funny. all the guys popping back with saying "dont trust him, he's bad, bad customer" its all the pricks defending their name. and prick, i am 22!

okny · 09-16-2003, 07:53 AM

The Xbix thread speaks for itself go cry me a river.

Mr. Porno King · 09-16-2003, 07:53 AM

bluecrawl, you're a lying piece of shit. Those designs look great.

Why don't you post the rest of them so we can see what a total scamming asshole you are.

Phoenix · 09-16-2003, 07:56 AM

hmm...i always thought taking conversations like this offline would be best

theS2O · 09-16-2003, 07:58 AM

I've got a similar case myself a couple of months ago.. a client want's a design to be done.. I made a couple of studies and he just don't like not even one of the designs.. So, I made more designs.. Around 5 and no fuckin shit! HE EVEN CURSE my designs! telling me how bad it is! I just LOL about it when I remember that.. From that moment. I told him (still in a polite way) lolz that he find alternatives coz obviously his taste are different from my style... He didn't reply and just took fuckin off! Wow..

I bet his gay or somethin.. lolz

bluecrawl · 09-16-2003, 07:59 AM

i just got 4 emails from revenue sites, thanking me for my post. they have blacklisted you guys.

C-Bass · 09-16-2003, 08:01 AM

This is the fuckini sad reality of online bussiness practices. There is soo much you can persieve from a client when meeting them in person, and online, anyone could be anything. Un-fuckin-fortunetly some IDIOTS think they can scam the system and get away with it by bitching on a webmaster board to clear their guilty conscience.
Guys, stick to your rules, if someone doesnt have the money to pay your full deposit, fuck em, is not YOU who is loosing money, let them wait and get the FULL amount. Once they have that, get some shit signed and your ass is covered!

So if they decided to fuck off.....take em to the cleaners!

har har · 09-16-2003, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluecrawl
i just got 4 emails from revenue sites, thanking me for my post. they have blacklisted you guys.

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Roald · 09-16-2003, 08:13 AM

Hahaha

Gianna_CECash · 09-16-2003, 08:38 AM

I don't know what this guys is talking about,
I have been doing business with
totalwebenterprises.com for a while
and I have never had any problems.

Bottom line honest and talented people.

basschick · 09-16-2003, 08:48 AM

show us the work. then we can decide if it sucks.

Danny_C · 09-16-2003, 08:49 AM

These kinds of threads always backfire. When will people learn?

lock · 09-16-2003, 08:54 AM

oh and i got my post deleted when i asked if you ever made a scene in mcdonalds for a free burger what you gonna do about this thread http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=14734

lock · 09-16-2003, 08:55 AM

just delete that too

Morgan · 09-16-2003, 08:56 AM

lock · 09-16-2003, 09:08 AM

Before you deleted my post i was sticking up for 5 reputable companies i said 1 or 2 is believable but not 5 i asked also whether the work was not to the standards of the demos and i actually i asked to see a sample of the bad work i did ask if you had cried when your big brother got a bigger bike and whether you had ever caused a scene at mcdonalds for a burger. This post has backfired on you as if you showed the poor work that you couldnt possibly pay for you may have justified the post.
I am just wondering how you feel now we have both sides of story

bluecrawl · 09-16-2003, 09:39 AM

totalwebenterprises.com/adultsolutions/

do not even design... they use a poor arab guy to do all their work

keivdesigner.com (i think)

they even fucked him out of monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnney

DJRCyberAVS · 09-16-2003, 09:50 AM

theS2O

Nice DIALER in your www there.... (no one click on this guy's www link)

Looks like he's trying to rip webmasters off here with that shit, LOL.

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

Whats up with that 'Adult Crawler' screenshot in the background?

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:02 AM

Oh I get it now.

This is the guy who hits up designers gives them sob stories about getting ripped off, gets free work and then never talks to the designer again.

I did a free design for this guy to try and help him out and fix this mess. I turned over the design and never heard from him. Lucky it was just a screenshot and a mock up of what he already had since i was trying to fix this mess he is in.

Funny how they always knock designers but when they shit all over an honest one they dont care.

DJRCyberAVS · 09-16-2003, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Whats up with that 'Adult Crawler' screenshot in the background?

Fletch, this http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=14734

and look at all the mock ups from the designers. All were for this Adult Crawler. It appears the guy bitching here is the one who didn't pay up.

You didn't get paid for that Adult SE design did you? Any connection?

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:09 AM

Its him.

He wasted days of my time and owes me money for what I did.

I never heard from him again.

I made a thread about him.

he gave me a big sob story said he got my name from a reference and that he could trust me. After he got my design I never heard from him.

okny · 09-16-2003, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Its him.

He wasted days of my time and owes me money for what I did.

I never heard from him again.

I made a thread about him.

he gave me a big sob story said he got my name from a reference and that he could trust me. After he got my design I never heard from him.

Same here man and then has the nerve to start a thread that he got ripped off.

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:16 AM

Exactly.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=175127

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by machinegunkelly
or whatever the case maybe without payment , you are stupid and you deserve to get ripped off .

Thanks

MetaMan · 09-16-2003, 10:40 AM

i hate dum ass ppl who pay a couple hundred bucks and want the world from a designer,
u get what you pay for so dont complain because u are the stupid one.

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by machinegunkelly
Go figuire that would be the one thing you read fletch .

Look at it this way , did you work for hours for nothing ?

Yes = stupid .
no - intelligent

Should I turn everyone away that wants to talk to me on icq about their design for 5 hours before even mentioning paypal?

This is all MY TIME.

So i wasted HOURs before even opening photoshop.

Its cool, we DESERVE to be ripped off.

sextoyking · 09-16-2003, 10:46 AM

Fletch,

You know we always get paid over here at webinc.com

It's all about good customer service. Try and take care of the clients as best as you can. 99.9% of the time all will be ok, and they will turn into a return customer

Fletch XXX · 09-16-2003, 10:55 AM

I have no desire to bicker with a designer who feels its okay for another designer to get ripped off.

It would be like me pointing out all idiots who get their Paypal locked should have read the rules ;)

woj · 09-16-2003, 11:01 AM

webair · 09-16-2003, 11:07 AM

can we see what they did for you to warrant such accusations?

any links of work they did for you?

theS2O · 09-16-2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DJRCyberAVS
theS2O

Nice DIALER in your www there.... (no one click on this guy's www link)

Looks like he's trying to rip webmasters off here with that shit, LOL.

hey.??! shit! freakin web1000 is redirecting my fuckin site... argghh.. anyone knows a web host who i can pay without a credit card.. i'm still working on the card right now.. i dont like credit cards anyways but unfortunately.. i need it!

sorry about the redirections.. not my fault.. i dont even run for a affiliate site.. damn! argh

Greg B · 09-16-2003, 11:32 AM

In all the years I've been doing work on the web I've never been scammed nor do I scam. I've had a few bs tricks tried to be pulled but the perps ended up in the shit anyhow.

Each client and job is different. Sometimes things happen like someone gets sick or mechanical failures, software failures, storms etc.

You have patience and keep your word the best you can. Always give the client that extra goodie like an extra t-shirt design and if they don't know how to market in an area you can offer that as well.

In all these years I've only had one bs routine pulled and it was from a dude who got my info from this very board. He tried an old time trick and is sorry for it. We caught him in mid bs and that's that.

I don't demand loot up front. Clients offer it. Don't argue with the client. They'll know what they want when they see it. Some are more literate than others and you have to know your ground and coach them along.

You do sketches. If they don't like them, say goodbye. If they offer their viewpoint evaluate it and if it's not graphically logical explain it best you can. If they don't get it, excuse yourself and roll on.

Many times I work in trade. That's VERY important. Some guys have services, goods, advice and I'll do some work in swap.

Sometimes I just find a site I like and offer to do some toons just cause the site is cool! I remember once I ran across Horny Hank's website and he has a superhero logo. I got in contact with him and offered to do some toons for a link exchange. The stuff looked great, he ran it for awhile but we lost contact and I figure it's cause he's very busy but he kept his word. That's when things are fun.

Like with traffic I do toons/projects in exchange. You'ld be suprised the good stuff you can break off.

So when you get the conflicts noted in this thread it's disturbing.

If you get clients that are patient and fun, that makes work fun. If you get services that are fun that makes work fun.

Goes both ways. Don't bang your head against the wall. You either work well together or just split.

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09-16-2003, 06:43 AM	#1
bluecrawl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 21	BAD Designers ALERT! Hey, this is for all you companies wanting ADULT WEB DESIGN. If you want quality, reliable site designs, DO NOT USE THESE COMPANIES: http://adultwebexperts.com/ http://www.wildxsites.com/ http://www.totalwebenterprises.com/adultsolutions/ http://www.bitchmedia.com/index_en.html http://not4kidsdesigns.com/ I know what your thinking, ?this guy is not serious? I am? All the above companies promise you everything to get you to pay the deposit. Once you have, lol, it?s very different. The mood changes. You may think I was wasting people?s time ? not at all! All I wanted was a satisfactory design. I tried one company, he promised me the best design on the net ? it was shit! I told him, they alter it, still no good! They argue to show you more. If you ask for a refund, you may as well eat shit! These pricks keep your money and your trust!! In all, I have been ripped off for over $2000. So I just wanna get it out there to people looking for designers, avoid this shit-fake-rip off designers. My name is Andrew. I AM TELLING YOU FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. IF YOU $$$ IS PRECIOUS TO YOU STEER CLEAR OF THESE. You can email me @ [email protected] or AIM: andrewmjolley If you are looking for a designer and have come across any of these guys, contact me I can send you every ICQ history between me and these guys.

09-16-2003, 07:13 AM	#3
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09-16-2003, 07:14 AM	#4
badmunchkin Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,797	Maybe you're just a picky a-hole who's not satisfied with anything. You went through all those design companies & none of them were able to satisfy your requirements? I find that very hard to believe. __________________ Custom, Full Color Printing with BIG Discounts for GFY! ICQ 283197499 Last edited by badmunchkin; 09-16-2003 at 07:17 AM..

09-16-2003, 07:24 AM	#9
okny Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Vault Posts: 5,761	http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=14734 Here read this fellas talk about who ripped who off. __________________ Aim: okny Icq: 306232 Skype: OlegKrasBT

09-16-2003, 07:30 AM	#13
okny Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Vault Posts: 5,761	Read XBiz thread and see how many designer he asked to do design, and never paid them a dime. __________________ Aim: okny Icq: 306232 Skype: OlegKrasBT

09-16-2003, 07:10 AM	#2
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	bad kind of promo ...

09-16-2003, 07:15 AM	#5
PM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 504	someone is out 50bucks

09-16-2003, 07:22 AM	#6
bluecrawl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 21	not at all munchkin. these guys are BAD, if you dont belive me, then shut up and go give them ur money, but u will get fucked. these dicks! cudnt satisfyyyyy a horse!!

09-16-2003, 07:26 AM	#10
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	Posting this again in a new thread? Post the convos for all to see if you are going to call bullshit on a web design crew so we can all see it instead of just slamming someone without proof.

09-16-2003, 07:28 AM	#11
mikeeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 481	yeah, let's see the design work you got done that is so unsatisfactory. For all we know you got a personal problem with these guys and you're bashing them. Show the work, and how much you paid. Maybe you wanted a 3 page tour for 100 bucks? lol!

09-16-2003, 07:30 AM	#14
har har So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 409	waaa waaaaaaaaa sooky bitchass

09-16-2003, 07:31 AM	#15
okny Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Vault Posts: 5,761	I have no more comments on this 19 year old moron. __________________ Aim: okny Icq: 306232 Skype: OlegKrasBT

09-16-2003, 07:50 AM	#18
bluecrawl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 21	shit, isn't it funny. all the guys popping back with saying "dont trust him, he's bad, bad customer" its all the pricks defending their name. and prick, i am 22!

09-16-2003, 07:53 AM	#19
okny Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Vault Posts: 5,761	The Xbix thread speaks for itself go cry me a river. __________________ Aim: okny Icq: 306232 Skype: OlegKrasBT

09-16-2003, 07:53 AM	#20
Mr. Porno King Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 146	bluecrawl, you're a lying piece of shit. Those designs look great. Why don't you post the rest of them so we can see what a total scamming asshole you are.

09-16-2003, 07:56 AM	#21
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09-16-2003, 07:58 AM	#22
theS2O Adult Design Since 2003 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: s2odesigns.com Posts: 4,784	I've got a similar case myself a couple of months ago.. a client want's a design to be done.. I made a couple of studies and he just don't like not even one of the designs.. So, I made more designs.. Around 5 and no fuckin shit! HE EVEN CURSE my designs! telling me how bad it is! I just LOL about it when I remember that.. From that moment. I told him (still in a polite way) lolz that he find alternatives coz obviously his taste are different from my style... He didn't reply and just took fuckin off! Wow.. I bet his gay or somethin.. lolz

09-16-2003, 07:59 AM	#23
bluecrawl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 21	i just got 4 emails from revenue sites, thanking me for my post. they have blacklisted you guys.

09-16-2003, 08:01 AM	#24
C-Bass Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: th3 1nt3Rwebz Posts: 3,153	This is the fuckini sad reality of online bussiness practices. There is soo much you can persieve from a client when meeting them in person, and online, anyone could be anything. Un-fuckin-fortunetly some IDIOTS think they can scam the system and get away with it by bitching on a webmaster board to clear their guilty conscience. Guys, stick to your rules, if someone doesnt have the money to pay your full deposit, fuck em, is not YOU who is loosing money, let them wait and get the FULL amount. Once they have that, get some shit signed and your ass is covered! So if they decided to fuck off.....take em to the cleaners! __________________ "Unhappy with the riches 'cause you're piss poor morally." Trade traffic? - Highdef Blog

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09-16-2003, 08:38 AM	#27
Gianna_CECash Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The World Posts: 1,135	I don't know what this guys is talking about, I have been doing business with totalwebenterprises.com for a while and I have never had any problems. Bottom line honest and talented people. __________________ CE Gianna [email protected] ICQ : 831432

09-16-2003, 08:48 AM	#28
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09-16-2003, 08:49 AM	#29
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	These kinds of threads always backfire. When will people learn?

09-16-2003, 08:54 AM	#30
lock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,065	oh and i got my post deleted when i asked if you ever made a scene in mcdonalds for a free burger what you gonna do about this thread http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.p...&threadid=14734 __________________ Traffic.Tools - 40+ Free Tools Free.Marketing - 150+ Free Tools Submission.Tools - 20+ Free Tools

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09-16-2003, 09:08 AM	#33
lock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,065	Before you deleted my post i was sticking up for 5 reputable companies i said 1 or 2 is believable but not 5 i asked also whether the work was not to the standards of the demos and i actually i asked to see a sample of the bad work i did ask if you had cried when your big brother got a bigger bike and whether you had ever caused a scene at mcdonalds for a burger. This post has backfired on you as if you showed the poor work that you couldnt possibly pay for you may have justified the post. I am just wondering how you feel now we have both sides of story __________________ Traffic.Tools - 40+ Free Tools Free.Marketing - 150+ Free Tools Submission.Tools - 20+ Free Tools

09-16-2003, 09:39 AM	#34
bluecrawl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 21	totalwebenterprises.com/adultsolutions/ do not even design... they use a poor arab guy to do all their work keivdesigner.com (i think) they even fucked him out of monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnney

09-16-2003, 09:50 AM	#35
DJRCyberAVS Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WeebleLand Posts: 493	theS2O Nice DIALER in your www there.... (no one click on this guy's www link) Looks like he's trying to rip webmasters off here with that shit, LOL.

09-16-2003, 10:02 AM	#37
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Oh I get it now. This is the guy who hits up designers gives them sob stories about getting ripped off, gets free work and then never talks to the designer again. I did a free design for this guy to try and help him out and fix this mess. I turned over the design and never heard from him. Lucky it was just a screenshot and a mock up of what he already had since i was trying to fix this mess he is in. Funny how they always knock designers but when they shit all over an honest one they dont care. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-16-2003, 10:09 AM	#39
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Its him. He wasted days of my time and owes me money for what I did. I never heard from him again. I made a thread about him. he gave me a big sob story said he got my name from a reference and that he could trust me. After he got my design I never heard from him. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-16-2003, 10:16 AM	#41
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Exactly. http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=175127 __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-16-2003, 10:40 AM	#43
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i hate dum ass ppl who pay a couple hundred bucks and want the world from a designer, u get what you pay for so dont complain because u are the stupid one.

09-16-2003, 10:46 AM	#45
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Fletch, You know we always get paid over here at webinc.com It's all about good customer service. Try and take care of the clients as best as you can. 99.9% of the time all will be ok, and they will turn into a return customer __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

09-16-2003, 10:55 AM	#46
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I have no desire to bicker with a designer who feels its okay for another designer to get ripped off. It would be like me pointing out all idiots who get their Paypal locked should have read the rules ;) __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me