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KRL · 09-12-2003, 12:33 AM

FDLE Investigation Finds No Laws Broken In Naked Kid Videos

LAND O'LAKES -- A state investigation has concluded a nudist who sold videos of naked elementary-age girls didn't break the law.

Walt Zadanoff, former president of the country's largest nudist organization, said he is satisfied with his exoneration by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement but his reputation has been ruined.

Gov. Jeb Bush's office ordered an investigation of Zadanoff after U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach, lambasted the 68-year-old nudist for peddling videos on the Internet of naked child beauty pageants shot in Europe.

Law enforcement authorities told the governor because the videos show no sex, they are legal.

"As much as we look at his activities with a little bit of disdain, there are no Florida statutes Mr. Zadanoff violated,'' said Rick Morera, spokesman for the state investigators' Tampa office.

Foley wants the law to change. He has sponsored a bill called the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act'' that would outlaw the videos Zadanoff sold.

Just because the state cleared Zadanoff doesn't mean he's not exploiting children, Foley spokesman Chris Paulitz said. Foley himself called the videos, which feature full-frontal nudity, a "fix for pedophiles.''

Fearing bad publicity, nudist groups, including some of the clothes-free resorts that are Land O'Lakes' biggest industry, have suggested Zadanoff stay away.

Zadanoff has maintained the videos are "information and entertainment for a legitimate nudist,'' though he said it's impossible to screen pedophiles from buying.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 12:45 AM

Foley wants the law to change. He has sponsored a bill called the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act'' that would outlaw the videos Zadanoff sold.

ok, how about all these mothers that drag their small children to these non-nude beauty pagents... That too is child exploitation and should be stopped. I have seen some pretty disturbing documentrys on this subject....

What about Led Zepplins Houses of the Holy album cover... with Plant's two children naked on the cover, the Beatles put out a book back in the 70's where two nude children were walking hand in hand through a field?

There is nothing wrong with the human body... we should all be free enough to shed our outer skin and walk around as mother nature meant us to be if we desire.

Why do people get so uptight about their bodies and showing them? Why is that so moraly wrong.. because of what the bible says? A mythical book of fables? Pa Lease!

Ok, a person buying this stuff for self pleasure is a bit disturbing... but ther is nothing wrong with nudity.. not at any age.

Voodoo · 09-12-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Foley wants the law to change. He has sponsored a bill called the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act'' that would outlaw the videos Zadanoff sold.

ok, how about all these mothers that drag their small children to these non-nude beauty pagents... That too is child exploitation and should be stopped. I have seen some pretty disturbing documentrys on this subject....

What about Led Zepplins Houses of the Holy album cover... with Plant's two children naked on the cover, the Beatles put out a book back in the 70's where two nude children were walking hand in hand through a field?

There is nothing wrong with the human body... we should all be free enough to shed our outer skin and walk around as mother nature meant us to be if we desire.

Why do people get so uptight about their bodies and showing them? Why is that so moraly wrong.. because of what the bible says? A mythical book of fables? Pa Lease!

Ok, a person buying this stuff for self pleasure is a bit disturbing... but ther is nothing wrong with nudity.. not at any age.

Pedo

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Voodoo

Pedo

? Pedo ? You mean pedophile? No... I really do not like children... That is why I don't have any... least that I know of

I am the mean old man on the block.. I chase all the kids away.. noisy little brats.

KRL · 09-12-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

? Pedo ? You mean pedophile? No... I really do not like children... That is why I don't have any... least that I know of

I am the mean old man on the block.. I chase all the kids away.. noisy little brats.

Well if you had kids you would understand.

My son has movie star looks and I've noticed pervy older guys staring at him at malls and stuff and it freaks me out sometimes cause you just know they're thinking pedo thoughts.

AmeliaG · 09-12-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Well if you had kids you would understand.

My son has movie star looks and I've noticed pervy older guys staring at him at malls and stuff and it freaks me out sometimes cause you just know they're thinking pedo thoughts.

I don't have kids and I don't want to have kids and I totally understand. I can't believe that such an icky video guy could get away with it. In the information age, I actually think this sort of thing needs to be limited. Once upon a time, a mom could take a bearskin rug photo of her baby and it was grody and likely to be embarrassing later in life, but it was unlikely that large numbers of people would be paying to jerk off to it. Given that context is less and less possible now, I am normally the LAST person to say there oughtta be a law, but in this case . . . ugh.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Well if you had kids you would understand.

My son has movie star looks and I've noticed pervy older guys staring at him at malls and stuff and it freaks me out sometimes cause you just know they're thinking pedo thoughts.

Yea, there are some sick fucks in this world.

No, my point was that it's a pagent, a naturalist pagent.. there is nothing wrong with that..

That is why they found nothing wrong with it because there was not sex....

Now, how he is getting away with selling this without a model release is another story alltogether.

StacyCat · 09-12-2003, 04:17 AM

Why would someone want to buy a video of a naked childrens pagent? Its not impossible to weed out the pedophiles wanting it, anyone who wants it is probably a pedo.

If it was a documentary type subject, maybe. If it was a documentary of the nudists themselves, not focusing on the children, that I can understand. But, not naked kids.

lyno · 09-12-2003, 04:20 AM

Some thing that i don´t understand is the popular belief that by banning pictures that could be attractiv to people who likes to harm children would make those people (and their deeds) disappear. What you can´t see will do you no harm....

KRL · 09-12-2003, 04:37 AM

I just can't imagine an auditorium full of adults parading their kids naked on stage and thinking that's a good thing.

Stud Money · 09-12-2003, 04:43 AM

I've just had a sweet idea

Lets all pool together some $$$ place a few ads in local newspapers advertising a local naked childrens beauty pagent somewhere.

When the day of the 'pagent' comes lets beat ten pounds of shit out of all the pedos that show up to this thing

Nothing says dont be a pedo like mob justice and i bet your ass it would work as a deterrent too

cluck · 09-12-2003, 06:17 AM

So was this video JUST a child video pageant or an overall nudist video? I mean it's one thing if it's a video of a nudist resort and they happen to have a beauty pageant, it's another if it's just a video of a child beauty pageant. With the first one there could be legit interests but come on, what else would anyone buy a pageant video for?

EscortBiz · 09-12-2003, 06:19 AM

total outrage, guy needs to be fucked up the ass with a knife.

Carrie · 09-12-2003, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Well if you had kids you would understand.

My son has movie star looks and I've noticed pervy older guys staring at him at malls and stuff and it freaks me out sometimes cause you just know they're thinking pedo thoughts.

Walk tall, and carry a BIG stick.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 06:33 AM

Ok, I am not condoning what this man did... I guess I am just tired and need to take a counter point to stay awake.....

but for those of you who have kids?...

your kids never ran around the neighborhood naked? We did when we were kids.. little kids I mean... so many times I see parents that let their little girls run around with no top on.. or their kid just strips out for their clothes and runs around the yard, house, neighborhood and they say...."awe... isn't that cute?"

Again, naturalists do not consider nudity...

1. offensive
2. sexual

It's a lifestyle, a form of freedom.

One of the reasons I like working at home is I don't have to get dressed to go to work. I suppose if I was more comfortable with my body... I would love to go to a nudist resort and run free.... have been know to do it out in the dessert here.. but when no one is around... would'nt want to scare anyone lol

Again, I am sure the people buying this tape and the guy selling it were using it for perverted reasons and that is wrong... but don't mistake nudity and these nude pagents as being sexual or wrong, they are just people who choose to live by a different set of standards than the rest of you.

Fletch XXX · 09-12-2003, 06:35 AM

Europe has naked child pagaents?

hahaha

nike · 09-12-2003, 06:38 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, I am not condoning what this man did... I guess I am just tired and need to take a counter point to stay awake.....

but for those of you who have kids?...

your kids never ran around the neighborhood naked? We did when we were kids.. little kids I mean... so many times I see parents that let their little girls run around with no top on.. or their kid just strips out for their clothes and runs around the yard, house, neighborhood and they say...."awe... isn't that cute?"

Again, naturalists do not consider nudity...

1. offensive
2. sexual

It's a lifestyle, a form of freedom.

One of the reasons I like working at home is I don't have to get dressed to go to work. I suppose if I was more comfortable with my body... I would love to go to a nudist resort and run free.... have been know to do it out in the dessert here.. but when no one is around... would'nt want to scare anyone lol

Again, I am sure the people buying this tape and the guy selling it were using it for perverted reasons and that is wrong... but don't mistake nudity and these nude pagents as being sexual or wrong, they are just people who choose to live by a different set of standards than the rest of you.

My God it is like somebody actually thinks about what they type on GFY.

Surely I must be hallucinating - I'm going to get a beer, if people are still making sense when I get back there is going to be trouble.

RockDaddy · 09-12-2003, 08:45 AM

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KRL · 09-12-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
total outrage, guy needs to be fucked up the ass with a knife.

I bet not too many people fuck with you and live to tell about it.

KRL · 09-12-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, I am not condoning what this man did... I guess I am just tired and need to take a counter point to stay awake.....

but for those of you who have kids?...

your kids never ran around the neighborhood naked? .

Ah no, my kid does not run around the neighbor naked. What era are you living in?

rockbear · 09-12-2003, 08:57 AM

Fuck You Pedo

beemk · 09-12-2003, 09:16 AM

its cp

Libertine · 09-12-2003, 09:33 AM

I am waiting for the day when the anti-pedo crusaders will burn down the Sistine Chapel and start hanging all parents who ever took nude baby pictures.

WicKed NinJas · 09-12-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
I am waiting for the day when the anti-pedo crusaders will burn down the Sistine Chapel and start hanging all parents who ever took nude baby pictures.

so true, so true....eventually anyone who takes a picture of there son or daughter in the bath will be labeled a pedo, have there kids taken and trown in jail to be raped and tortured

Dirty F · 09-12-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by beemk
its cp

Child porn?

Go to dictionary and search up the word porn.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by nike

My God it is like somebody actually thinks about what they type on GFY.

Surely I must be hallucinating - I'm going to get a beer, if people are still making sense when I get back there is going to be trouble.

Shit.. I must be showing my age... lol

EZRhino · 09-12-2003, 10:10 AM

Kimmykim · 09-12-2003, 10:59 AM

Nudity, and child nudity per se, do not make for an illegal act. Selling access to pictures of underage nude children is not illegal in this country under the current federal laws. Selling them for prurient interests could be construed as breaking the law but these cases don't make it to court when there are so many real instances of the law being broken.

Personally I don't agree with it at all. From the standpoint of the first amendment and the law, it is legal.

Saying there outta be a law will just get you in trouble later on, since believe me, there are plenty of people who think there outta be laws against everything we do.

There has to be a line somewhere and for me, it's the difference in legal and not. The minute they make nudist stuff illegal, I hope it gets shut down, turned off and never comes back. Until then, it's not something I'll be looking at but I am not going to dispute the right to its existence.

Thoughts aren't crimes, actions are. So if a guy buys a video and has illicit thoughts while watching it, that's his right. If he chooses to act on those thoughts, then he's broken the law. This is no different than buying a movie where someone blows up a building or walks into a bank and mows down everyone in sight with an automatic weapon.

AmeliaG · 09-12-2003, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Nudity, and child nudity per se, do not make for an illegal act. Selling access to pictures of underage nude children is not illegal in this country under the current federal laws. Selling them for prurient interests could be construed as breaking the law but these cases don't make it to court when there are so many real instances of the law being broken.

Personally I don't agree with it at all. From the standpoint of the first amendment and the law, it is legal.

Saying there outta be a law will just get you in trouble later on, since believe me, there are plenty of people who think there outta be laws against everything we do.

There has to be a line somewhere and for me, it's the difference in legal and not. The minute they make nudist stuff illegal, I hope it gets shut down, turned off and never comes back. Until then, it's not something I'll be looking at but I am not going to dispute the right to its existence.

Thoughts aren't crimes, actions are. So if a guy buys a video and has illicit thoughts while watching it, that's his right. If he chooses to act on those thoughts, then he's broken the law. This is no different than buying a movie where someone blows up a building or walks into a bank and mows down everyone in sight with an automatic weapon.

I think that is seriously one of the only topics which brings out the they-oughtta-legislate in me. Most of the time, I really think we need fewer laws, but I also do think we need unambiguous laws in order to have a free society. People should know whether they are breaking the law. It should not be up to the randomness of unpredictable local authorities after the fact.

That said, a typical nudist credo would be that nudity is natural and not intrinsically sexual. What would real nudists be doing making their kids compete for who has the most beautiful body? Part of the point of nudism is not feeling self-conscious about your own body. I totally respect nudists' right to do what they do, but having their kids do it competitively seems awfully suspicious to me.

Kimmykim · 09-12-2003, 12:36 PM

Amelia -- in clothes, out of clothes, beauty pageants are brutal to kids.

I've mentioned before, we had a show at the Venetian one summer and the hall next to us had some kind of kids competition -- little girls in full makeup, spandex outfits and high heeled tap and dance shoes.

Had I been one of the parents, I'd have left the fucking thing immediately when I saw the porn crowd go by. Not because they were the porn crowd but because the outfits and the makeup were identical to the kids in the competition for the most part.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 12:39 PM

Hey Kimmy Kim... can you contact me via icq? I would like to discuss some possible business...

Thanks

PS - it has nothing to do with this thread topic either... lol

KRL · 09-12-2003, 12:50 PM

OK, I have no problem if adults want to prance around nude at at these campgrounds. But I'm sorry, little girls should NOT be competing on a stage completely naked in a pageant with an auditorium full of adults getting off on it. That is just fucked up wrong and totally perverse. Preteen childreen have no understanding about sexuality and I guarantee the majority if you asked them when they are older whether that was right or wrong would be upset about it looking back.

And those beauty pageants were they make the little girls dress up like 21 year olds are bizarre too.

directfiesta · 09-12-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
OK, I have no problem if adults want to prance around nude at at these campgrounds. But I'm sorry, little girls should NOT be competing on a stage completely naked in a pageant with an auditorium full of adults getting off on it. That is just fucked up wrong and totally perverse.

Nudist camps are like any other camps, but people are naked( pretty obvious...). They play sports naked, go to the corner store naked ( makes me remember a Seinfield episode where Helen says she is always naked..lol), do their cleaning naked.. and so on. Nothing sexual and in fact very family oriented.

It is normal that they have pageants of all sort.

What is wrong in this situation is that an indiividual tapes those precise events and then distribute them outside the camp circle. This is where the depravity comes in.

The only reason an individual ,not attending the camp, would want to buy that is for arrousal ( aside from Townshed for research...), and this is very wrong.

Solutions are not in the legal system...

michaelw · 09-12-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, I am not condoning what this man did... I guess I am just tired and need to take a counter point to stay awake.....

but for those of you who have kids?...

your kids never ran around the neighborhood naked? We did when we were kids.. little kids I mean... so many times I see parents that let their little girls run around with no top on.. or their kid just strips out for their clothes and runs around the yard, house, neighborhood and they say...."awe... isn't that cute?"

Again, naturalists do not consider nudity...

1. offensive
2. sexual

It's a lifestyle, a form of freedom.

One of the reasons I like working at home is I don't have to get dressed to go to work. I suppose if I was more comfortable with my body... I would love to go to a nudist resort and run free.... have been know to do it out in the dessert here.. but when no one is around... would'nt want to scare anyone lol

Again, I am sure the people buying this tape and the guy selling it were using it for perverted reasons and that is wrong... but don't mistake nudity and these nude pagents as being sexual or wrong, they are just people who choose to live by a different set of standards than the rest of you.

a fucking men
its sick to see what kind of a world were coming to.. a naked child is considered pornographic to all you fucks?
believe it or not, we were not born with clothes. Naturally, we are supposed to be naked all the time. it sickens me to see shit like this. somoene took a video of a nudist camp and people try to get him in jail for it? what the fuck?! did you not run around naked as a child? what kind of sick fuck has thoughts about fucking the brains out of a little 3 year old girl when she (not knowing any better) takes off her top and runs around in the yard? Its just cute, i dont know how the fuck sex gets involved with something like that.

The more society starts blowing this child porn thing out of proportion, the worse its going to get and the more "taboo" having sex with children is going to get - and sadly, the more its going to happen. A fully grown man fucking a 4 year old against his/her will, or tricking them into it, or having sex at all with any child should be fucking illegal, and thank god it is. But when your little girl runs around the house naked and you take a picture because its so cute, thats NOT child porn.

Did you see the interview on 60 minutes like 2 years ago? society was blowing cp so fucking out of proportion back then. one man came home from work and his two daughters decided to "moon daddy". the father took a picture of this perfectly innocent act and it turned out that the lady who worked at the film store saw them when developing them, and reported it to the police. the man ended up getting jail time, he was ridiculed all over his town for being a pedophile, and basically lost every ounce of dignity he had. he cried uncontrollably on 60 minutes, saying "these are my children - i bathe them, i clothe them, i cant ever imagine having any sexual thoughts with my own children".

this is bullshit. this whole cp thing is getting out of control. absolutely assholes that have sex with children should be taken out on to the street and fucking stabbed, but once a parent ends up suffering what that man suffered for taking a picture of this child, you know somethings gone wrong.

dont your parents have naked pictures of you when you were in the tub or something? for fuck sakes, can you even begin to imagine that perhaps your parents took the picture because they wanted to have sex with you and you turned them on?

wake the fuck up.

the indigo · 09-12-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by michaelw

a fucking men
its sick to see what kind of a world were coming to.. a naked child is considered pornographic to all you fucks?
believe it or not, we were not born with clothes. Naturally, we are supposed to be naked all the time. it sickens me to see shit like this. somoene took a video of a nudist camp and people try to get him in jail for it? what the fuck?! did you not run around naked as a child? what kind of sick fuck has thoughts about fucking the brains out of a little 3 year old girl when she (not knowing any better) takes off her top and runs around in the yard? Its just cute, i dont know how the fuck sex gets involved with something like that.

The more society starts blowing this child porn thing out of proportion, the worse its going to get and the more "taboo" having sex with children is going to get - and sadly, the more its going to happen. A fully grown man fucking a 4 year old against his/her will, or tricking them into it, or having sex at all with any child should be fucking illegal, and thank god it is. But when your little girl runs around the house naked and you take a picture because its so cute, thats NOT child porn.

Did you see the interview on 60 minutes like 2 years ago? society was blowing cp so fucking out of proportion back then. one man came home from work and his two daughters decided to "moon daddy". the father took a picture of this perfectly innocent act and it turned out that the lady who worked at the film store saw them when developing them, and reported it to the police. the man ended up getting jail time, he was ridiculed all over his town for being a pedophile, and basically lost every ounce of dignity he had. he cried uncontrollably on 60 minutes, saying "these are my children - i bathe them, i clothe them, i cant ever imagine having any sexual thoughts with my own children".

this is bullshit. this whole cp thing is getting out of control. absolutely assholes that have sex with children should be taken out on to the street and fucking stabbed, but once a parent ends up suffering what that man suffered for taking a picture of this child, you know somethings gone wrong.

dont your parents have naked pictures of you when you were in the tub or something? for fuck sakes, can you even begin to imagine that perhaps your parents took the picture because they wanted to have sex with you and you turned them on?

wake the fuck up.

agreed

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 03:14 PM

yea.. my mom has pictures of me as a baby bare ass on a rug... as most parents did back in those days... my aunt has pictures of her daughters in the tub, I 'll be damned if either my mom or my aunt are pedophiles...

There is such a big difference between an innocent picture of your child nude and fondling or abusing a child... BIG Difference.

Hell, one of the reasons I try to get the kids in the neighboehood to dislike me is because their parents know what I am doing for a living now... I would NEVER want one of them to think I was abusing their kids... and just being in this business and knowing the way this wholy rollers feel about this business... I am not taking a chance....

NO FUCKING WAY!!!!

Rahter be hated by the kids than to go to jsil for something I would NEVER do.

Don't get me wrong... I really do not hate kids.. I hate the way our society uses them as an excuse for their cause.

Just like with the price of cigaretts... If we rais the price... kids will not smoke... BULLSHIT... Half the young kids in this neighborhood smoke... 13, 15, 16... All under age..the price did not stop them... and any figure our government puts out stating that it is working... Hello.... You makje it so hard to buy a pack of smokes that they cannot possible purchase them... Shit... I am 37 and I still get carded for cigeretts... but never alcolol...

Sorry... didn't mean to get off topic.. that was just an example.

neewwman · 09-12-2003, 03:14 PM

That story about the guy whose children mooned him was horrifying (I saw it on TV).

He takes a quick snapshot and doesn't notice through the viewfinder that one of the girls' vulvas is showing a little bit. All of a sudden he's this molester.

Nudity is not porn. The fact that someone is jerking off to it doesn't change that. I'm sure there are pedos jerking off to the Sears catalogue if they can't find anything better.

michaelw · 09-12-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by neewwman
That story about the guy whose children mooned him was horrifying (I saw it on TV).

He takes a quick snapshot and doesn't notice through the viewfinder that one of the girls' vulvas is showing a little bit. All of a sudden he's this molester.

Nudity is not porn. The fact that someone is jerking off to it doesn't change that. I'm sure there are pedos jerking off to the Sears catalogue if they can't find anything better.

exactly

its sad that the first 30 posts of this thread were just ignorant fuckers saying "MOTHERFUCKING PEDOPHILE SHOULD BURN". the sad truth is, rarely will anyone stick up and try to show the difference between porn and nutidy. luckily this is gfy and you are free to speak you mind, but in almost any other forum its either post that the guy should have his penis cut in two, or keep your mouth shut on a controversial subject - that is, if you feel differently on the situation.

cp is really getting out of hand - people no longer can judge what is ok and whats not.

KRL · 09-12-2003, 04:21 PM

I'd wager everyone who seems to be pro child nudity on a stage in this thread has not had kids yet.

maxjohan · 09-12-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by AmeliaG

I think that is seriously one of the only topics which brings out the they-oughtta-legislate in me. Most of the time, I really think we need fewer laws, but I also do think we need unambiguous laws in order to have a free society. People should know whether they are breaking the law. It should not be up to the randomness of unpredictable local authorities after the fact.

That said, a typical nudist credo would be that nudity is natural and not intrinsically sexual. What would real nudists be doing making their kids compete for who has the most beautiful body? Part of the point of nudism is not feeling self-conscious about your own body. I totally respect nudists' right to do what they do, but having their kids do it competitively seems awfully suspicious to me.

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Doctor Dre · 09-12-2003, 05:32 PM

I dunno he might have just sold videos of nude ppl and like 1 % fo the vid was a naked child or soemthing ...

goBigtime · 09-12-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by StacyCat
Why would someone want to buy a video of a naked childrens pagent? Its not impossible to weed out the pedophiles wanting it, anyone who wants it is probably a pedo.

Let's hope we don't need Jeff Foxworthy to tell us...

....If you are PAYING MONEY for a video tape to be mailed to you of a "beauty pagent" consisting of naked children, then you're probably a pedophile.

fiveyes · 09-12-2003, 06:22 PM

Dirty Little Secrets of Nudists...

AmeliaG · 09-12-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Amelia -- in clothes, out of clothes, beauty pageants are brutal to kids.

I've mentioned before, we had a show at the Venetian one summer and the hall next to us had some kind of kids competition -- little girls in full makeup, spandex outfits and high heeled tap and dance shoes.

Had I been one of the parents, I'd have left the fucking thing immediately when I saw the porn crowd go by. Not because they were the porn crowd but because the outfits and the makeup were identical to the kids in the competition for the most part.

I'm still more squicked out by the naked ones, but that anecdote rules. That is one of those perfect the-true-nature-of-things-is-suddenly-obvious moments that usually only happens in movies.

69pornlinks · 09-12-2003, 06:42 PM

"brave new world' ever read that book...

sexeducation · 09-13-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by fiveyes
Dirty Little Secrets of Nudists...

interesting thread ...
VERY interesting link.

KRL · 09-13-2003, 04:33 AM

Obviously not all nudists are pedo's. But I'm sure there are a heck of a lot of them in their midsts.

DeadFidel · 09-13-2003, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation

interesting thread ...
VERY interesting link.

What took you so long? I figured you had a service that would beep you when a child thread appears....

Another note: I am not sure who of you use Verotel, but think about the 12.5% of your money that goes to promote the 80-90 or more child "Model" sites they process.
Not easy to forget the facts.

sexeducation · 09-13-2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by DeadFidel

What took you so long? I figured you had a service that would beep you when a child thread appears....

Another note: I am not sure who of you use Verotel, but think about the 12.5% of your money that goes to promote the 80-90 or more child "Model" sites they process.
Not easy to forget the facts.

I follow all of KRL posts.

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In fact, until I know what I am doing.
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09-12-2003, 12:33 AM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Wow. Hard To Believe They Ruled This Is Legal. FDLE Investigation Finds No Laws Broken In Naked Kid Videos LAND O'LAKES -- A state investigation has concluded a nudist who sold videos of naked elementary-age girls didn't break the law. Walt Zadanoff, former president of the country's largest nudist organization, said he is satisfied with his exoneration by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement but his reputation has been ruined. Gov. Jeb Bush's office ordered an investigation of Zadanoff after U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach, lambasted the 68-year-old nudist for peddling videos on the Internet of naked child beauty pageants shot in Europe. Law enforcement authorities told the governor because the videos show no sex, they are legal. "As much as we look at his activities with a little bit of disdain, there are no Florida statutes Mr. Zadanoff violated,'' said Rick Morera, spokesman for the state investigators' Tampa office. Foley wants the law to change. He has sponsored a bill called the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act'' that would outlaw the videos Zadanoff sold. Just because the state cleared Zadanoff doesn't mean he's not exploiting children, Foley spokesman Chris Paulitz said. Foley himself called the videos, which feature full-frontal nudity, a "fix for pedophiles.'' Fearing bad publicity, nudist groups, including some of the clothes-free resorts that are Land O'Lakes' biggest industry, have suggested Zadanoff stay away. Zadanoff has maintained the videos are "information and entertainment for a legitimate nudist,'' though he said it's impossible to screen pedophiles from buying. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-12-2003, 12:45 AM	#2
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	Foley wants the law to change. He has sponsored a bill called the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act'' that would outlaw the videos Zadanoff sold. ok, how about all these mothers that drag their small children to these non-nude beauty pagents... That too is child exploitation and should be stopped. I have seen some pretty disturbing documentrys on this subject.... What about Led Zepplins Houses of the Holy album cover... with Plant's two children naked on the cover, the Beatles put out a book back in the 70's where two nude children were walking hand in hand through a field? There is nothing wrong with the human body... we should all be free enough to shed our outer skin and walk around as mother nature meant us to be if we desire. Why do people get so uptight about their bodies and showing them? Why is that so moraly wrong.. because of what the bible says? A mythical book of fables? Pa Lease! Ok, a person buying this stuff for self pleasure is a bit disturbing... but ther is nothing wrong with nudity.. not at any age. __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

09-12-2003, 04:37 AM	#10
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I just can't imagine an auditorium full of adults parading their kids naked on stage and thinking that's a good thing. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-12-2003, 06:17 AM	#12
cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	So was this video JUST a child video pageant or an overall nudist video? I mean it's one thing if it's a video of a nudist resort and they happen to have a beauty pageant, it's another if it's just a video of a child beauty pageant. With the first one there could be legit interests but come on, what else would anyone buy a pageant video for? __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

09-12-2003, 06:19 AM	#13
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09-12-2003, 04:17 AM	#8
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	Why would someone want to buy a video of a naked childrens pagent? Its not impossible to weed out the pedophiles wanting it, anyone who wants it is probably a pedo. If it was a documentary type subject, maybe. If it was a documentary of the nudists themselves, not focusing on the children, that I can understand. But, not naked kids.

09-12-2003, 04:20 AM	#9
lyno Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: On my way to Sirius1 Posts: 474	Some thing that i don´t understand is the popular belief that by banning pictures that could be attractiv to people who likes to harm children would make those people (and their deeds) disappear. What you can´t see will do you no harm....

09-12-2003, 04:43 AM	#11
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	I've just had a sweet idea Lets all pool together some $$$ place a few ads in local newspapers advertising a local naked childrens beauty pagent somewhere. When the day of the 'pagent' comes lets beat ten pounds of shit out of all the pedos that show up to this thing Nothing says dont be a pedo like mob justice and i bet your ass it would work as a deterrent too

09-12-2003, 06:33 AM	#15
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	Ok, I am not condoning what this man did... I guess I am just tired and need to take a counter point to stay awake..... but for those of you who have kids?... your kids never ran around the neighborhood naked? We did when we were kids.. little kids I mean... so many times I see parents that let their little girls run around with no top on.. or their kid just strips out for their clothes and runs around the yard, house, neighborhood and they say...."awe... isn't that cute?" Again, naturalists do not consider nudity... 1. offensive 2. sexual It's a lifestyle, a form of freedom. One of the reasons I like working at home is I don't have to get dressed to go to work. I suppose if I was more comfortable with my body... I would love to go to a nudist resort and run free.... have been know to do it out in the dessert here.. but when no one is around... would'nt want to scare anyone lol Again, I am sure the people buying this tape and the guy selling it were using it for perverted reasons and that is wrong... but don't mistake nudity and these nude pagents as being sexual or wrong, they are just people who choose to live by a different set of standards than the rest of you. __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

09-12-2003, 06:35 AM	#16
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09-12-2003, 08:45 AM	#18
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09-12-2003, 09:16 AM	#22
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09-12-2003, 09:33 AM	#23
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09-12-2003, 10:10 AM	#27
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09-12-2003, 10:59 AM	#28
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Nudity, and child nudity per se, do not make for an illegal act. Selling access to pictures of underage nude children is not illegal in this country under the current federal laws. Selling them for prurient interests could be construed as breaking the law but these cases don't make it to court when there are so many real instances of the law being broken. Personally I don't agree with it at all. From the standpoint of the first amendment and the law, it is legal. Saying there outta be a law will just get you in trouble later on, since believe me, there are plenty of people who think there outta be laws against everything we do. There has to be a line somewhere and for me, it's the difference in legal and not. The minute they make nudist stuff illegal, I hope it gets shut down, turned off and never comes back. Until then, it's not something I'll be looking at but I am not going to dispute the right to its existence. Thoughts aren't crimes, actions are. So if a guy buys a video and has illicit thoughts while watching it, that's his right. If he chooses to act on those thoughts, then he's broken the law. This is no different than buying a movie where someone blows up a building or walks into a bank and mows down everyone in sight with an automatic weapon.

09-12-2003, 12:36 PM	#30
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Amelia -- in clothes, out of clothes, beauty pageants are brutal to kids. I've mentioned before, we had a show at the Venetian one summer and the hall next to us had some kind of kids competition -- little girls in full makeup, spandex outfits and high heeled tap and dance shoes. Had I been one of the parents, I'd have left the fucking thing immediately when I saw the porn crowd go by. Not because they were the porn crowd but because the outfits and the makeup were identical to the kids in the competition for the most part.

09-12-2003, 12:39 PM	#31
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09-12-2003, 12:50 PM	#32
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	OK, I have no problem if adults want to prance around nude at at these campgrounds. But I'm sorry, little girls should NOT be competing on a stage completely naked in a pageant with an auditorium full of adults getting off on it. That is just fucked up wrong and totally perverse. Preteen childreen have no understanding about sexuality and I guarantee the majority if you asked them when they are older whether that was right or wrong would be upset about it looking back. And those beauty pageants were they make the little girls dress up like 21 year olds are bizarre too. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-12-2003, 03:14 PM	#36
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	yea.. my mom has pictures of me as a baby bare ass on a rug... as most parents did back in those days... my aunt has pictures of her daughters in the tub, I 'll be damned if either my mom or my aunt are pedophiles... There is such a big difference between an innocent picture of your child nude and fondling or abusing a child... BIG Difference. Hell, one of the reasons I try to get the kids in the neighboehood to dislike me is because their parents know what I am doing for a living now... I would NEVER want one of them to think I was abusing their kids... and just being in this business and knowing the way this wholy rollers feel about this business... I am not taking a chance.... NO FUCKING WAY!!!! Rahter be hated by the kids than to go to jsil for something I would NEVER do. Don't get me wrong... I really do not hate kids.. I hate the way our society uses them as an excuse for their cause. Just like with the price of cigaretts... If we rais the price... kids will not smoke... BULLSHIT... Half the young kids in this neighborhood smoke... 13, 15, 16... All under age..the price did not stop them... and any figure our government puts out stating that it is working... Hello.... You makje it so hard to buy a pack of smokes that they cannot possible purchase them... Shit... I am 37 and I still get carded for cigeretts... but never alcolol... Sorry... didn't mean to get off topic.. that was just an example. __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

09-12-2003, 03:14 PM	#37
neewwman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 1,737	That story about the guy whose children mooned him was horrifying (I saw it on TV). He takes a quick snapshot and doesn't notice through the viewfinder that one of the girls' vulvas is showing a little bit. All of a sudden he's this molester. Nudity is not porn. The fact that someone is jerking off to it doesn't change that. I'm sure there are pedos jerking off to the Sears catalogue if they can't find anything better. __________________ Porn Wealth Everything the newbie adult webmaster needs to know. Buy it, or sell it through our 50% affiliate program!

09-12-2003, 04:21 PM	#39
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I'd wager everyone who seems to be pro child nudity on a stage in this thread has not had kids yet. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-12-2003, 06:22 PM	#43
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09-13-2003, 04:33 AM	#47
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Obviously not all nudists are pedo's. But I'm sure there are a heck of a lot of them in their midsts. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

09-13-2003, 06:06 AM	#50
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	In fact, until I know what I am doing. I just basically opened the website up. NOT a single word has changed.