so you're saying abortion would be acceptable to you until the kid is about 16..?

Right, because there's a surplus of people wanting to adopt kids. Please, if the kid does eventually get adopted half the time they'll just become fuckups anyway. Most of the kids I grew up with who were adopted ended up going from home to home and eventually ended up as junkies.

It'd be great if people would adopt, but that's usually not the case. Even when they do half of the time it's a miserable failure.

again.. you are missing the point.. it's not about punishing irresponsible people.. it's about educating them to their options. The easy way out is not always the best option.

Interesting thread, guys, great to see so many viewpoints & honest opinions coming into play!

I'm like chodadog, torn between both sides. It all depends on circumstances. I know sluts that have abortions a few times a year, I think that's plain wrong. I know others who have become pregnant while they were young, and have made an informed decision that they are not ready to support a baby. So hard to know, there is no black or white answer I have to this. I guess it all depends on your view as to when life starts. And what is life, and who should have the power to destroy it. Big questions.. ... :2 cents:

Here's a little story for you pro-lifers....


My girlfriend back in high school got pregnant. She was 18, I was 16. I broke up with her prior to knowing she was pregnant. Two weeks later, she ran into me and my new girl. It was then she dropped the bomb on me. She was pregnant. She was on the pill prior to that, but she admitted that she got pregnant on purpose, because.... get this.... she thought I might break up with her.

wow..... helluva reason to get pregnant.

Well, she told me she was keeping the baby. Against my better judgement AND advice. And she did.

I hauled ass.


That kid is now 19 years old.




I have zero relationship with him. She's since then, had 5 or 6 other kids from various guys. She was married, and is currently not with anyone. Her last husband is in fed prison.... courtesy of her.



My son's birthday is in one week. I won't be sending a card because I have no idea where he is. Collectively, I've seen him for approximately 5 hours across his entire life.



Pro-life huh?


Yeah.... he got his life alright. I'm sure he's enjoyed every fucking minute of it too.


I fully blame her. She chose. Not me. I voiced my opinion on it, and was overrided. And his life has been shit for the last 19 years because of it.

But still, making them have a kid and calling it justice is like if someone stole your car, so you think it's fair to go steal someone elses. They fuck up their lives and they should get shit for it, but it's not worth it to create another fucked up life.

You are confusing newborn adoptions with schoolage adoptions where the kids come from broken homes or worse. Newborn adoptions are in demand and most of the children grow up in a family with people who love them more than anything!

im saying until it comes out of that womb, it is NOT a child but living tissue just like the rest of that body and until you are faced with such a tough decision, then you shouldnt speak about things you havent experienced.

The Truth Hurts = Idiot

Living proof why the choice to abort is a good thing.

18 years of child support payments, that just ended last May.... and I still have absolutely zero relationship with my first born son.


that speaks volumes for pro-life at any cost.

Exactly, it's more of a crime to inflict that 19 years of suffering on the kid than nipping the whole thing in the bud before it got that far.

Edit: 50 blood soaked fetuses

Hmm.. when I was 16 I wore the rubber so I knew I was safe. I didn't trust anyone that they were "on the pill".

This is a whole other discussion.

Not all women who have abortions are poor, or young, or an idiot, or didn't use birth control. No form of BC is 100% effective.

Let's say a fetus is found to have profound defects, to the extent that the child would have no chance of living anything resembling a life. Should it be born, or is the kinder more loving thing to do is have an abortion?

Or maybe you should volunteer to take in an unwanted child, or 2, or 5. Or a severely handicapped child, or 5 or 10.

What Amp said.

Didn't see this when I made my post.

Good for you.

Was it your choice to have no relationship with him?

So how about they make abortion legal and all the sluts that would have had them put their babies up for adoption. There's bound to be a surplus of babies. Plus how many of those loving families are gonna take in a black baby born addicted to crack?

You'll be back. Anyhow, I love when Anti-Choice zealots start this argument. In my own community, the county Childrens Service Bureau has, at any given time, over 50 children - live, breathing, walking, talking humans - available for adoption. All ages, sizes and colors. Where are all these people who are waiting years to adopt?

Irrelevant and you know it sharky. Don't you dare chastise me for something that happened 20 years ago. I was fucking 16 man..... 16, living in the fuckng 80's. Had she been RESPONSIBLE, she would have reasoned that neither of us was prepared to raise a fucking child. And she would have ended it. She kept it for one reason only....


she, (and I quote) "wanted something to REMEMBER me by".....


so my son's whole fucking life is one big souvineer.


The sad part is, now he's old enough to understand this shit, and he knows now. And he's fucking gone. Neither her nor I will likely ever see him again.


There's your fucking pro-life, on a fucking plate.

well said....those pro lifers can protest abortion is wrong but if push came to shove and they had to take care of all those unwanted, born children, they would be singing a far different tune! i say those who protest abortions should put up or shut the fuck up.

abortion for valid reasons is an acceptable, responsible choice. those who have an abortion because they cant keep their legs closed should have their child bearing abilities stripped from them be it male or female.

Interesting story amp, however your son could very well be me.

But I grew up in a situation that, I guarantee, was far worse.

Having the general idea who I am, and what I do, and having chatted many times, you think perhaps I should have been aborted to spare me the miserable life I've built for myself?

He is now at an age that you may get a knock on your door with this type of greeting..."How do you do...my name is Sue...and now you're gonna die".

Until a fetus is capable of sustaining its own life outside the womb, then there is plenty of room for choice.

Of course I also don't believe in keeping coma patients alive on life support and I am firmly in the DNR camp when it comes to terminal illness and other such situations.

I can't speak for Amp, but I don't think he should be obligated to have a relationship with the kid OR pay ANY child support at all. It was HER choice to lie to him and get pregnant. Then she had the kid despite his wishes to have the kid aborted. He was scammed and taken for what's probably alot of money.

I have faced this decision bitch.
And I've regretted the choice made for me since.

I've said it earlier.. if it's in the first trimester, fine. after that.. there is amazing medical improvements to correct some of these defects.

however, there is always an exception.

Where do you thing the school age kids come from??? They aren't orphans, they were taken away from their parents who shouldn't have had them in the first place!

I'm not gonna speak for your situation.... I don't know the details of it, nor how you feel about it. But I know what my son has gone through.... and I know he's gone. And sure, he probably doesn't wish he was aborted, but that still doesn't make it right. In her blind rationing that he MUST be born, she fucked up my life, her life, and most importantly, his life.... all in one swift stroke.

When she could have prevented all of it so easily.

boo fucking hoo! probably the best choice you ever made (if that is even the truth) for your attitude in this reply speaks volumes.

enjoy your night :winkwink:

The truth really does hurt.... doesn't it Truth.

Read again, the choice was made FOR me.
My opinion, didn't matter.

Nope, message board warriors on a legalized killing spree aren't going to change my opinion.

You are proving my point. if the parents were educated and gave the children up for adoption when they were born, chances are the child would be in a much better place now.

I agree with all that you said.

in comparison, my other two kids were not planned either. Both of them were "accidents".... the difference was, we were prepared for it even though it wasn't planned. At 16, I was not prepared. At 25, I was. I have good relationships with both of them, even though I've lived prohibitively far away from them for the last 6 years.

wow.... wonder why that is?

There should be more abortions, not fewer or non. Idiots who should not have kids, or can not afford them should have abortions. Kids should not have kids. Crack ho's should not have kids.

I just wrote a monsterous tax check today, of which plenty goes to poor lazy fucks.

would've been MUCH easier for both of us (now divorced) had we just KILLED them in the womb.... but guess what.... we CHOSE to have them.

and even though we're divorced and living 5000 miles away, I still have a solid conection to them,..... something I will never have with my first.


hmmm..... boggles the fucking mind huh.

It just all boils down to one thing.

Wear a condom.

Basically the conversation has taken a turn of epic and extremist idiology.

Telling people they can not breed aint gonna happen anytime soon (Within the US).

Taking peoples children away at birth cuz they are to stupid to raise a child is on the edge of just pure evil.

But we all know the truth about some girls in this world. They trick and con men into planting a hot seed in there pussy and run off with the child and take the male for every penny possible in the course of 18 years (In the United States).

Some girls just have children to live off the system.

There is a gross injustice to mens rights concerning siblings within the United States.

getting back to the article..

the technology is amazing... imagine the other uses of this.... full 3D views of the heart and arteries, etc... This could save MANY lives!

so what it boils down to, is not being inconvenienced?


here's a tip... every conveninece store i've ever been to in my life, sells rubbers... Kmart sells them, walmart sells them, grocery stores sell them, gas stations sell them, clinics and schools give them away.. surely you go to at least one of these places on a regular basis... BUY SOME

here's another tip... rubbers are cheaper than abortions.

Damn. just turned on the news, and they are talking about this technology too!
lol