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LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by USA Is Doomed

You are a very annoying c<b></b>unt. But you know that don't you?

Another fucking dumb american.

Funny shit.

Sounds like you're someone who's too chickenshit to post under their real handle :P

butcherboy · 09-12-2003, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion

2 things are very apparent from your post:

The first: You started with we were attacked on 9/11. And we most definitely were. Why in the heck then didn't we go AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT ATTACKED US! It wasn't Saddam Hussein. It was Osama bin Laden and his henchmen! Somewhere along the line Bush goes "Yeah, Bin Laden attacked us..but I really hate that Saddam guy, and we KNOW where HE is, so let's blow the fuck out of his country!" And we did! But it did NOTHING..absoutely NOTHING at all to get us closer to getting the fuckers that attacked us on 9/11. It did NOTHING to make this country safer from attacks by Al-Qaeda.

The second thing that's evident in your post is that you like to play the "What if" game. What IF Saddam bought a nuke from North Korea and gave it to Al-Qaeda? That's just LAME! What's to stop North Korea then from just giving it DIRECTLY to Al-Qaeda? Why use Saddam as a middle man. Not to mention Hussein and Bin Laden HATE each other! One is secular, one is not!

Your whole case for attacking Iraq does NOT improve our security against terrorism and does not get us any closer to finding Osama Bin Laden. Yet all the pro-war people won't even talk about how we've all but given up the search for Bin Laden.

Well said!

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by USA Is Doomed

You are a very annoying c<b></b>unt. But you know that don't you?

Another fucking dumb american.

Funny shit.

This is the typical response of someone who is so owned they must resort to name-calling.

Begin your education here.
http://psychology.about.com/library/bl/bl101_1.htm

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Sounds like you're someone who's too chickenshit to post under their real handle :P

LadyMischief,

Next war, I'm on your side ;-)

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Sure the US troops are taking fire, but guess what, they are occupying a country that really doesn't want them there now. Is this a surprise?

May Iraqis want the US there. Look at he first poll conducted in Baghdad:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...wpoll17big.gif

56% of those polled said they wanted US troops to stay for at least a year. Leaving might be worse than staying for Iraqi's.

The same very small minority of people attacking US troops are the same ones bombing nightclubs and markets in Israel, Jakarta, and India.

What is not a surprise is that Iraqis have a wide range of opinions from believing the US and UK were justified in attacking Iraq to downright lowathing. Categorically stating that "Iraqis think ..." on any topic is impossible.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

You're such a funny little man, Ron. I love ya anyways, but you're still funny :P

The truth hurts, doesn't it my princess?

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

The truth hurts, doesn't it my princess?

Aww sweetheart, the truth is ALL about perception, though. Your truth and my truth won't neccessarily agree, but if it makes you happy to believe in something, you go right on ahead

Furious_Female · 09-12-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Please don't insult me with the "why don't you understand what I am saying" line. What next? "You are brainwashed". Just because you've dodged all my questions about North Korea doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm a centrist. There are things I like and dislike about all the US political parties including the smaller ones especially the libertarian party. I'm not a centrist because I think "being in the middle" is a balanced or good thing. Rather, it is because there is no consistent theme that underlies the major parties. Over time, each of the major parties has co-opted some of the views of the other party often in order to gain votes. I'd have to say my views are rather independent of them. Everything looks different from the middle. Not so extreme.

I'm fine with Bush. I was fine with Clinton. I believe the political process is a good one. The concept of strong division of powers combined with a written constitution and common law is an excellent one. It has been much emulated in the world since. It is a remarkably stable and effective system and remains so today.

It's pretty easy to be critical of any president. Democrats complain about every move a Republican makes and Republicans complain about every move Democrats make. From Johnny Carson to David Letterman every president has been the butt of late night talk show jokes.

Every election cycle brings out a chorus of "worst president ever" and "impeach the president". Impeach Clinon? Impeach Bush? The next guy will get the same treatment.

George Bush received about half the votes in the last election. His approval rating is a little over 52% right now. He's pretty much an average president and thought of as so by most people. For the most part, the Americans that think he is great are Republicans. The people that think he is horrible are Democrats.

Nothing new here. Other than in extreme situations people's views are rather partisan. Getting caught up in the party rhetoric is, well, just that.

Another thing, the "I Hate America" crowd isn't going to go away when a Democrat occupies the White House. They are here to stay.

You are brilliant

Well said

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

May Iraqis want the US there. Look at he first poll conducted in Baghdad:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...wpoll17big.gif

56% of those polled said they wanted US troops to stay for at least a year. Leaving might be worse than staying for Iraqi's.

The same very small minority of people attacking US troops are the same ones bombing nightclubs and markets in Israel, Jakarta, and India.

What is not a surprise is that Iraqis have a wide range of opinions from believing the US and UK were justified in attacking Iraq to downright lowathing. Categorically stating that "Iraqis think ..." on any topic is impossible.

Of course they want something.. they have no organization as of yet and they're grasping at straws.. But that's just a little over half..what about the rest, who voted no? It won't take long for the vote to go the other way

Regardless, we could all hope the situation is resolved, and that everyone ends up happy in the end. Oh wait, it's not Cinderella, is it?

Furious_Female · 09-12-2003, 06:32 AM

While I agree that more jobs should be kept on homeland, many of the unemployed people are the ones that lost their job in the dot com disasters.

It may be true that we have the biggest deficit in history, but we as a nation have been through far worse times. You can't even compare the Depression to a slump in our economy now. These days, people are in debt from having too much. Credit card debts, high interest loans etc. Very few live within or under their means. The difference between poverty and debt, is that today people complain about not being able to buy luxury items, as opposed to other recessions, where people could not afford to buy food or when food simply wasn't available.

When the majority of the US has no food supply, no running water, no heat, no sanitation etc (like MANY other countries) When we are tapped out of the bare necessities, it's at that time that I will complain about how much debt my country is in. I'm not so selfish that I would worry about what I have to go without. I have been on both sides of the rich and poor teeter totter, rich is better, undeniably! but personally, I'd be willing to go without a lot, just to sustain basic survival. What it comes down to, is greed and like I have said before, I am thankful for all that I have, most of which is just gravy.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
While I agree that more jobs should be kept on homeland, many of the unemployed people are the ones that lost their job in the dot com disasters.

It may be true that we have the biggest deficit in history, but we as a nation have been through far worse times. You can't even compare the Depression to a slump in our economy now. These days, people are in debt from having too much. Credit card debts, high interest loans etc. Very few live within or under their means. The difference between poverty and debt, is that today people complain about not being able to buy luxury items, as opposed to other recessions, where people could not afford to buy food or when food simply wasn't available.

When the majority of the US has no food supply, no running water, no heat, no sanitation etc (like MANY other countries) When we are tapped out of the bare necessities, it's at that time that I will complain about how much debt my country is in. I'm not so selfish that I would worry about what I have to go without. I have been on both sides of the rich and poor teeter totter, rich is better, undeniably! but personally, I'd be willing to go without a lot, just to sustain basic survival. What it comes down to, is greed and like I have said before, I am thankful for all that I have, most of which is just gravy.

I would agree in most cases, but when you look at the numbers of homeless, or those living on or vastly below the poverty line, you can't help but think maybe less money should be spent feeding Iraqis and more spent feeding Americans?

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Of course they want something.. they have no organization as of yet and they're grasping at straws.. But that's just a little over half..what about the rest, who voted no?

That's why we can say that Iraqis have MIXED FEELINGS. Pointing out the views of one side or the other leaves an incomplete view.

Balance a dose of hatred for Saddam against hatred of infidels, the west, and Americans. What did we expect after some people cheered in the streets and others fired AK-47s as British, American, and Australian troops rolled into Iraqi cities?

Some Iraqis are building rebuilding their country, starting newspapers, publishing books and others are busy blowing up buildings and shooting at soldiers and Iraqi policemen.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
While I agree that more jobs should be kept on homeland, many of the unemployed people are the ones that lost their job in the dot com disasters.

Don't forget the biggest job killer of all... corporate takeovers..

When a corporation buys another for such a large amount that in order to make a profit they have to break up and sell off pieces of the company they just purchased laying off hundred's if not thousands of people. People who have been at their job for most of their working life now have nothing. These are usually in towns where there is no other work and people are forced into poverty because of these greedy corporate assholes who over bid on companies because it's a game to them... they will not loose to another no mater what th cost.

Unfortunetly, that is not the case here.. here we have a power mad idiot that could not run any business he ever had control over and now he is running this country into the ground the same way he ran all his businesses down.

bringer · 09-12-2003, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I would agree in most cases, but when you look at the numbers of homeless, or those living on or vastly below the poverty line, you can't help but think maybe less money should be spent feeding Iraqis and more spent feeding Americans?

how about less money feeding illegals and more money feeding americans? i think that'd work
those homeless and low income familys are mostly there by choice
having a kid at 15 is a CHOICE which leaves you in shitville
i dont want to have to pay for your mistakes

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 07:02 AM

Centurion, my liberal lacky, here are some facts. I'm sure you'll ignore them (its the liberal way) but here you go any way.

after 9/11 the united states attacked afghanistan, the home of terorrists and their supporters. ALL taliban and alqueda members are now dead or on the run.
Since then, the only attacks from osama bin laden have been poorly scripted vhs tapes. If you'd like, I'll attack him with a vhs tape of my own.

in 1991, Iraq attacked the peaceful country and friend of the US kuwait. As a result, we defeated iraq. Part of their surrender agreement was disarmorment and verification by inspectors. After 8 years of liberal coddling by clinton and the UN, Bush laid down the law. Why did bush take such a tough stance? because of what we know happened when clinton passed up his chance to eliminate osama bin laden.
The UN (whom you liberals follow lockstep) knew there were tons of chemical weapons unaccounted for 10 years after iraq agreed to disarm. Now I understand that you dopey liberals think that if we gave them just another 10 years they would have come clean but as you see, the bungling of liberal president clinton and the UN DID not force iraq to turn over their WMDs it just gave them 10 years to hide them.
(oops, the UN conveniently forgets that little fact when denouncing the US)
could it be because the UN is not a target of terrorism? could it be as long as the US is the target the rest of the world doesn't really care?

Lets see, you liberal bozos like to say iraq has no ties to terrorism. how about this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84265,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wnidal25.xml
you remember abu abbas and abu nidal don't you centurion? I know it doesn't fit in your defense of saddam and iraq but the liberal party line rarely has use for the truth.

liberal fools, here's another example of why we went to iraq from your beloved liberal bastion PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...defectors.html
to quote:
n 1995, Saddam Hussein actually appeared to be winning in his strategy of cheat and retreat. He had actually managed to hide so many of his weapons that many of the U.N. weapons inspectors thought that he had turned over most of them, and were prepared to make that kind of recommendation. And it was only on the defection of his son-in-law and cousin [Kamel] that the international community realized how much he really still had. The whole crisis actually might have ended at that point, if it hadn't been for that very ... defection. ...

so, if not because of *ONE* bit of luck (saddam's son in law's defection) the UN and the hey, saddam is really a good guy" europeans would have given iraq a clean bill of health about WMDs only to be fooled again.

Now you liberal dopes can PRETEND that the above is NOT evidence but it would only prove your stupidity.
I'm sure most of you liberals need a 9/11 every other year to give you just enough backbone to ALMOST go out and attack terrorism, but I don't
once was enough.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

That's why we can say that Iraqis have MIXED FEELINGS. Pointing out the views of one side or the other leaves an incomplete view.

Balance a dose of hatred for Saddam against hatred of infidels, the west, and Americans. What did we expect after some people cheered in the streets and others fired AK-47s as British, American, and Australian troops rolled into Iraqi cities?

Some Iraqis are building rebuilding their country, starting newspapers, publishing books and others are busy blowing up buildings and shooting at soldiers and Iraqi policemen.

It's a damn mess, no matter which way you cut it.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by bringer

how about less money feeding illegals and more money feeding americans? i think that'd work
those homeless and low income familys are mostly there by choice
having a kid at 15 is a CHOICE which leaves you in shitville
i dont want to have to pay for your mistakes

Well, I'm quite sure that $87 Billion dollars would go better to those types of issues than pouring into the endless money pit that is Iraq, no?

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 07:22 AM

poor deluted liberal

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Don't forget the biggest job killer of all... corporate takeovers..

When a corporation buys another for such a large amount that in order to make a profit they have to break up and sell off pieces of the company they just purchased laying off hundred's if not thousands of people. People who have been at their job for most of their working life now have nothing. These are usually in towns where there is no other work and people are forced into poverty because of these greedy corporate assholes who over bid on companies because it's a game to them... they will not loose to another no mater what th cost.

I realize the corporate world is over your head but I'll dumb it down for you.
You run a shoe store in town. 4 salesmen, 1 book keeper.
you do well and buy a dress shop in town next to your shoe store. 4 saleswomen, 1 book keeper.
hmmmm, one book keeper can handle both businesses.
in the liberal world that second book keeper is OWED a job!
in the real world there is no need for the second book keeper. she moves on to the next job.

you liberal idiots crying about layoffs are so fucking silly. there were more layoffs in the 80's then there are now. The jobs don't disappear they're re-created in new businesses that crop up every day.
you think the corporations OWE workers a job. get a clue worker, you are owed nothing. you owe it to yourself to do whats best for you, not look for a hand out.

Unfortunetly, that is not the case here.. here we have a power mad idiot that could not run any business he ever had control over and now he is running this country into the ground the same way he ran all his businesses down. [/B][/QUOTE]

Furious_Female · 09-12-2003, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Well, I'm quite sure that $87 Billion dollars would go better to those types of issues than pouring into the endless money pit that is Iraq, no?

America is the land of opportunity, Iraq is not. Only in America can you get free food, free education, free health care, free housing and STILL have the freedom to complain about it.

So many people come into this country, never having worked a day in their lives and get their share of things granted to them by the government.

If people in this country are poor/poverty level, it's by their own decision. Unless they are mentally or physically disabled, your prosperity is in your control. If people are poor or hungry, without legitimate medical reason, it is their own choice. I've never seen an unemployed doctor. You can find a million and one excuses for why someone has so much and you have so little, but the fact remains, unless you are a "lucky" talented entertainer or athlete, born ricj or win the lotto, chances are, you get what you give.

Marv · 09-12-2003, 07:28 AM

Bush praise the Veterans of America

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

America is the land of opportunity, Iraq is not. Only in America can you get free food, free education, free health care, free housing and STILL have the freedom to complain about it.

So many people come into this country, never having worked a day in their lives and get their share of things granted to them by the government.

If people in this country are poor/poverty level, it's by their own decision. Unless they are mentally or physically disabled, your prosperity is in your control. If people are poor or hungry, without legitimate medical reason, it is their own choice. I've never seen an unemployed doctor. You can find a million and one excuses for why someone has so much and you have so little, but the fact remains, unless you are a "lucky" talented entertainer or athlete, born ricj or win the lotto, chances are, you get what you give.

Uhm, I beg to differ.. Free Food? Where? Free health care? What the hell is an HMO then? We have free health care in Canada, and it's ACTUALLY FREE. Free education, but substandard right? We have that in Canada too. And tell all those people that live on the streets or have to spend every dollar they earn to have a cubby hole in a hovel so they don't have to be on the street. Free? RIGHT. I think if you actually did a demographic on a lot of the people who are poor/underprivledged, etc, you would be VERY surprised. Do you REALLY think that all the poor people are poor just because they're lazy fuckers? Free Education? Have you checked how much College tuition is lately? How many kids come from poor families contribute to the vicious circle of poverty because they CAN'T AFFORD SCHOOL to make MORE of their lives? There are only so many scholarships. Free. Heh yeah right. Not even FREEDOM is free, my dear.

There's an old saying and I think it holds true here. "Remove the rafter from your own eye before attempting to remove the piece of straw from your brother's". What you've said is very patriotic, but very idealistic, and far from the truth. I think the problem with, well not only America, but a LOT of countires in the world is that they're so busy picking out faults and trying to fix the problems of other countries, they overlook the vast inequalities and injustices in their own. Take a closer look, FF, your American Utopia is ALL IN YOUR IMAGINATION.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Marv
Bush praise the Veterans of America

that "homeless vet" pic is the best!

I once saw a panhandler with a sign that said "former president of the US"
not being a liberal, I didn't take a picture of his sign and pretend it was a fact.

pauliewalnutz · 09-12-2003, 07:37 AM

what i wonder about is it was 2 months into Bushs administration when our country went into this little recession, what everybody has to realize is the TECH boom and now crash is what caused this problem.

sperbonzo · 09-12-2003, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
Centurion, my liberal lacky, here are some facts. I'm sure you'll ignore them (its the liberal way) but here you go any way.

after 9/11 the united states attacked afghanistan, the home of terorrists and their supporters. ALL taliban and alqueda members are now dead or on the run.
Since then, the only attacks from osama bin laden have been poorly scripted vhs tapes. If you'd like, I'll attack him with a vhs tape of my own.

in 1991, Iraq attacked the peaceful country and friend of the US kuwait. As a result, we defeated iraq. Part of their surrender agreement was disarmorment and verification by inspectors. After 8 years of liberal coddling by clinton and the UN, Bush laid down the law. Why did bush take such a tough stance? because of what we know happened when clinton passed up his chance to eliminate osama bin laden.
The UN (whom you liberals follow lockstep) knew there were tons of chemical weapons unaccounted for 10 years after iraq agreed to disarm. Now I understand that you dopey liberals think that if we gave them just another 10 years they would have come clean but as you see, the bungling of liberal president clinton and the UN DID not force iraq to turn over their WMDs it just gave them 10 years to hide them.
(oops, the UN conveniently forgets that little fact when denouncing the US)
could it be because the UN is not a target of terrorism? could it be as long as the US is the target the rest of the world doesn't really care?

Lets see, you liberal bozos like to say iraq has no ties to terrorism. how about this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84265,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wnidal25.xml
you remember abu abbas and abu nidal don't you centurion? I know it doesn't fit in your defense of saddam and iraq but the liberal party line rarely has use for the truth.

liberal fools, here's another example of why we went to iraq from your beloved liberal bastion PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...defectors.html
to quote:
n 1995, Saddam Hussein actually appeared to be winning in his strategy of cheat and retreat. He had actually managed to hide so many of his weapons that many of the U.N. weapons inspectors thought that he had turned over most of them, and were prepared to make that kind of recommendation. And it was only on the defection of his son-in-law and cousin [Kamel] that the international community realized how much he really still had. The whole crisis actually might have ended at that point, if it hadn't been for that very ... defection. ...

so, if not because of *ONE* bit of luck (saddam's son in law's defection) the UN and the hey, saddam is really a good guy" europeans would have given iraq a clean bill of health about WMDs only to be fooled again.

Now you liberal dopes can PRETEND that the above is NOT evidence but it would only prove your stupidity.
I'm sure most of you liberals need a 9/11 every other year to give you just enough backbone to ALMOST go out and attack terrorism, but I don't
once was enough.

At last....someone who didn't get their history lessons from comic book! It's chilling to me how many people on this board have no memory and no source of information outside either liberal popular media with agendas, (US and worldwide), or wacky consipiracy theory websites! It's become bizarre to me how people can't remember anything past 2 years ago!

(applause!!!)

pauliewalnutz · 09-12-2003, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Uhm, I beg to differ.. Free Food? Where? Free health care? What the hell is an HMO then? We have free health care in Canada, and it's ACTUALLY FREE. Free education, but substandard right? We have that in Canada too. And tell all those people that live on the streets or have to spend every dollar they earn to have a cubby hole in a hovel so they don't have to be on the street. Free? RIGHT. I think if you actually did a demographic on a lot of the people who are poor/underprivledged, etc, you would be VERY surprised. Do you REALLY think that all the poor people are poor just because they're lazy fuckers? Free Education? Have you checked how much College tuition is lately? How many kids come from poor families contribute to the vicious circle of poverty because they CAN'T AFFORD SCHOOL to make MORE of their lives? There are only so many scholarships. Free. Heh yeah right. Not even FREEDOM is free, my dear.

There's an old saying and I think it holds true here. "Remove the rafter from your own eye before attempting to remove the piece of straw from your brother's". What you've said is very patriotic, but very idealistic, and far from the truth. I think the problem with, well not only America, but a LOT of countires in the world is that they're so busy picking out faults and trying to fix the problems of other countries, they overlook the vast inequalities and injustices in their own. Take a closer look, FF, your American Utopia is ALL IN YOUR IMAGINATION.

you are very ignorant,

Hospitals in america can not refuse a patient treatment because of financial reasons.

For anyone who can not afford food they can apply and will receive food stamps to pay for food.

As for college everyone in this country has the same opportunity, we can all borrow money for college and the government gives it out no questions asked. The loan is the best interest loan you will ever see in your life. This is th eland of opportunity immigrants are coming in every year for the opportunity.

Amazing how your opinion lacks merit like your countries dollar.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Uhm, I beg to differ.. Free Food? Where? Free health care? What the hell is an HMO then? We have free health care in Canada, and it's ACTUALLY FREE.

really? your doctors work for free? your hospitals are able to stay open with no money?
wow, when a liberal thinks that having something paid for with taxes is "free" there's generally no saving her.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Free education, but substandard right? We have that in Canada too.

I don't have that. the public education my children get is fantastic.

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
And tell all those people that live on the streets or have to spend every dollar they earn to have a cubby hole in a hovel so they don't have to be on the street. Free? RIGHT.

so you think it should all be free right?

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
I think if you actually did a demographic on a lot of the people who are poor/underprivledged, etc, you would be VERY surprised.

No I wouldn't.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Do you REALLY think that all the poor people are poor just because they're lazy fuckers?

Nope, some of them are the children of lazy fuckers.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Free Education? Have you checked how much College tuition is lately?

you don't need a college education to get a job and afford a home in this country.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
How many kids come from poor families contribute to the vicious circle of poverty because they CAN'T AFFORD SCHOOL to make MORE of their lives?

perhaps their mother's should have kept their legs closed until they could afford children like the successful people of the country did.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
There are only so many scholarships.

and the smart kids and athletes get them. what's your point?

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Free. Heh yeah right. Not even FREEDOM is free, my dear.

but canadian health care is? now you've got me confused.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
There's an old saying and I think it holds true here. "Remove the rafter from your own eye before attempting to remove the piece of straw from your brother's". What you've said is very patriotic, but very idealistic, and far from the truth. I think the problem with, well not only America, but a LOT of countires in the world is that they're so busy picking out faults and trying to fix the problems of other countries, they overlook the vast inequalities and injustices in their own. Take a closer look, FF, your American Utopia is ALL IN YOUR IMAGINATION.

how trite.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by pauliewalnutz

you are very ignorant,

Hospitals in america can not refuse a patient treatment because of financial reasons.

For anyone who can not afford food they can apply and will receive food stamps to pay for food.

Amazing how your opinion lacks merit like your countries dollar.

I'm sure they aren't supposed to refuse patients, but I've heard too many horror stories in the news and elsewhere to feel that this is always upheld. I know everyone would like to think the best of their country. Unfortunately, the truth is often far different from the ideal. Fuck, I should know. I live in a country with a mediocre government at best, and although in comparison to the rest of the civilized world, like the US, we live in "splendour", I could spend days picking apart all the bullshit problems that are rampant in my country. And many of them are exactly the same ones that the US share. I am not so shortsighted as to believe my country is "superior", and I'm not just slamming the US. I'm simply stating the facts that many people refuse to see in all their patriotic idealism. Why not go start a conversation with the next homeless person you see. Ask him how he got there, how well he's been treated, how all the wonderful free things in the country have benefitted him?

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

how trite.

Ahem I was responding to Miss Furious Female, dear. Did you read her post before you dissected mine? I think you'd find her far more ignorant than I. I can admit the faults of my country. Fuck, of the entire world.

pauliewalnutz · 09-12-2003, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I'm sure they aren't supposed to refuse patients, but I've heard too many horror stories in the news and elsewhere to feel that this is always upheld. I know everyone would like to think the best of their country. Unfortunately, the truth is often far different from the ideal. Fuck, I should know. I live in a country with a mediocre government at best, and although in comparison to the rest of the civilized world, like the US, we live in "splendour", I could spend days picking apart all the bullshit problems that are rampant in my country. And many of them are exactly the same ones that the US share. I am not so shortsighted as to believe my country is "superior", and I'm not just slamming the US. I'm simply stating the facts that many people refuse to see in all their patriotic idealism. Why not go start a conversation with the next homeless person you see. Ask him how he got there, how well he's been treated, how all the wonderful free things in the country have benefitted him?

I actually do work at homeless shelters and soup kitchens once in a while and speak to these people. Its all about being humble the ones that come are not ashamed to get the handout because they need it.

The ones that dont come are just being stubborn and not humble. Therefore not getting their share of the food that our taxes pay for to take of people who have had problems or have gone looney.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Ahem I was responding to Miss Furious Female, dear. Did you read her post before you dissected mine? I think you'd find her far more ignorant than I. I can admit the faults of my country. Fuck, of the entire world.

Please, admitting faults of your own country means nothing when you go on to spew lies about my country.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Why not go start a conversation with the next homeless person you see. Ask him how he got there, how well he's been treated, how all the wonderful free things in the country have benefitted him?

Why? because I don't give a fuck about him. ANY bit of help he receives is WASTED. And at who's expense? the contributers of society.
Fuck the homeless.
When you see one sitting on the sidewalk, it means they aren't out working or trying to find a job.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by pauliewalnutz

I actually do work at homeless shelters and soup kitchens once in a while and speak to these people. Its all about being humble the ones that come are not ashamed to get the handout because they need it.

The ones that dont come are just being stubborn and not humble. Therefore not getting their share of the food that our taxes pay for to take of people who have had problems or have gone looney.

I have done this kind of work too, and the waste I've seen (here in Canada) is shameful. I've seen people who just had shitty luck end up on the streets, people who had great jobs and homes. Although it's true, they say 63% of homeless people have one form of mental illness or another, with schizophrenia being high on that list.. We could probably all fight forever about idealism, but what it all comes down to is, man, things are shitty all around, aren't they? No matter how great things are for some people, someone will always be suffering, or dying, or hungry somewhere else. I get so worked up about things because I'm too empathetic I think, I can't look anywhere in the world and think "Isn't it a shame that this person has to suffer this way". You've obviously got that in there too, or you wouldn't want to help those people too.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo

At last....someone who didn't get their history lessons from comic book! It's chilling to me how many people on this board have no memory and no source of information outside either liberal popular media with agendas, (US and worldwide), or wacky consipiracy theory websites! It's become bizarre to me how people can't remember anything past 2 years ago!

(applause!!!)

keep your eye on this thread. my post will be ignored as the truth always is by the liberals.

sperbonzo · 09-12-2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I'm sure they aren't supposed to refuse patients, but I've heard too many horror stories in the news and elsewhere to feel that this is always upheld. I know everyone would like to think the best of their country. Unfortunately, the truth is often far different from the ideal. Fuck, I should know. I live in a country with a mediocre government at best, and although in comparison to the rest of the civilized world, like the US, we live in "splendour", I could spend days picking apart all the bullshit problems that are rampant in my country. And many of them are exactly the same ones that the US share. I am not so shortsighted as to believe my country is "superior", and I'm not just slamming the US. I'm simply stating the facts that many people refuse to see in all their patriotic idealism. Why not go start a conversation with the next homeless person you see. Ask him how he got there, how well he's been treated, how all the wonderful free things in the country have benefitted him?

Actually, I think I can answer that. I actually WAS homeless in the early 90s. I had just gotten out of the army and I had been sending my girlfriend all my money, unemployment was MUCH higher than it is now, and.........it's a long story, but anyway...

I slept on the streats in LA. I dug through the trash to get the classifieds. I walked 10 miles or more for the chance to file applications for a job. Every day there were at least 4 meals that I could get from different agencies without panhandling, ever. I NEVER had to beg. All the guys I saw begging....without exception, were using the money for drugs and booze.

After 2 and a half months, I got a job. A couple of months later, I became supervisor and I went back to the park where I had lived when I was on the street. I offered EVERY single person (at least 40 people), that I knew were homeless there, a job working on the phone. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON TURNED UP.

As for homeless shelters, there are waiting lists and it took me two months to get in, but if you have kids you are put in that very same day, no matter what.....HOWEVER, that is contigent on whether or not you are sober. If you see a family on the street, it's because the parents are doing drugs or drinking.

With the exception of people with severe mental problems, there is no one on the streets who hasn't chosen to be there. You who think that they are just victims and that no one helps them and that they are left for years on the streets just don't know what you are talking about.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

Why? because I don't give a fuck about him. ANY bit of help he receives is WASTED. And at who's expense? the contributers of society.
Fuck the homeless.
When you see one sitting on the sidewalk, it means they aren't out working or trying to find a job.

Lies about your country.. Thoes homeless are Americans too, aren't they? Are the troops in Iraq just fighting for the rich? Or isn't it part of your precious country's constitution that all men are equal? You hold the ideal of your country so high, but you turn your back on it in the same breath. And you aren't the only one, either. What makes you worth more than them aside from money? Take that away and put you in their shoes, and you're where? YOU may be "perfect" but what about the rest of the imperfect human beings in your country, and mine, and everywhere else. Patriotism shouldn't be limited, should it? If so, you should probably go inform the soldiers in the middle east. I'm sure they'll be relieved to know they only have to fight for SOME Americans, and not ALL of America. They might get a well-deserved day off, then!

bringer · 09-12-2003, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I have done this kind of work too, and the waste I've seen (here in Canada) is shameful. I've seen people who just had shitty luck end up on the streets, people who had great jobs and homes. Although it's true, they say 63% of homeless people have one form of mental illness or another, with schizophrenia being high on that list.. We could probably all fight forever about idealism, but what it all comes down to is, man, things are shitty all around, aren't they? No matter how great things are for some people, someone will always be suffering, or dying, or hungry somewhere else. I get so worked up about things because I'm too empathetic I think, I can't look anywhere in the world and think "Isn't it a shame that this person has to suffer this way". You've obviously got that in there too, or you wouldn't want to help those people too.

you can only help those who want it. i say fuck em. they more often than not choose to be there and dont want any help from anyone. instead they want to jump on your car and attempt to clean your window for $5, $5 that goes to drugs or beer. they dont want to be part of society, they want to live on their own terms. fuck em all.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo

Actually, I think I can answer that. I actually WAS homeless in the early 90s. I had just gotten out of the army and I had been sending my girlfriend all my money, unemployment was MUCH higher than it is now, and.........it's a long story, but anyway...

I slept on the streats in LA. I dug through the trash to get the classifieds. I walked 10 miles or more for the chance to file applications for a job. Every day there were at least 4 meals that I could get from different agencies without panhandling, ever. I NEVER had to beg. All the guys I saw begging....without exception, were using the money for drugs and booze.

After 2 and a half months, I got a job. A couple of months later, I became supervisor and I went back to the park where I had lived when I was on the street. I offered EVERY single person (at least 40 people), that I knew were homeless there, a job working on the phone. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON TURNED UP.

As for homeless shelters, there are waiting lists and it took me two months to get in, but if you have kids you are put in that very same day, no matter what.....HOWEVER, that is contigent on whether or not you are sober. If you see a family on the street, it's because the parents are doing drugs or drinking.

With the exception of people with severe mental problems, there is no one on the streets who hasn't chosen to be there. You who think that they are just victims and that no one helps them and that they are left for years on the streets just don't know what you are talking about.

Of course.. But it didn't happen overnight. You didn't just wake up one morning and be transformed with a job and a home and all that. You had a state of transition in between, looking for work.. It wasn't handed to you on a silver platter. I'm sure you can vouch that while a lot of the homeless are "hopeless cases" for various reasons, not all are, and it's many various reasons that put them there.

directfiesta · 09-12-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
Centurion, my liberal lacky, here are some facts. I'm sure you'll ignore them (its the liberal way) but here you go any way.

after 9/11 the united states attacked afghanistan, ...

in 1991, Iraq attacked the peaceful country and friend of the US kuwait. As a result, we defeated iraq. ..

Impressive . All that done by the US!

I was under the impression that actually our Canadian soldiers are in charge in Kabul as a NATO component.

Did we defeat the US to take that away???

And the Gulf War was the US also. You guys have been busy.... History must be wrong of citing the UN with about 50 REAL countries, and US paying about 10% of the cost...

The US did this, the US did that...

12clicks, your balls are going to burst....

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by bringer

you can only help those who want it. i say fuck em. they more often than not choose to be there and dont want any help from anyone. instead they want to jump on your car and attempt to clean your window for $5, $5 that goes to drugs or beer. they dont want to be part of society, they want to live on their own terms. fuck em all.

Yeah. I won't give most homeless money either, but I will buy them a meal or something of the like. It's a sad state of affairs. A lot of the people with mental problems though, they don't know better or they aren't capable of getting help. I saw a lot of those types of people when I volunteered for the shelter, and I think they broke my heart the most.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo

Actually, I think I can answer that. I actually WAS homeless in the early 90s. I had just gotten out of the army and I had been sending my girlfriend all my money, unemployment was MUCH higher than it is now, and.........it's a long story, but anyway...

I slept on the streats in LA. I dug through the trash to get the classifieds. I walked 10 miles or more for the chance to file applications for a job. Every day there were at least 4 meals that I could get from different agencies without panhandling, ever. I NEVER had to beg. All the guys I saw begging....without exception, were using the money for drugs and booze.

After 2 and a half months, I got a job. A couple of months later, I became supervisor and I went back to the park where I had lived when I was on the street. I offered EVERY single person (at least 40 people), that I knew were homeless there, a job working on the phone. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON TURNED UP.

As for homeless shelters, there are waiting lists and it took me two months to get in, but if you have kids you are put in that very same day, no matter what.....HOWEVER, that is contigent on whether or not you are sober. If you see a family on the street, it's because the parents are doing drugs or drinking.

With the exception of people with severe mental problems, there is no one on the streets who hasn't chosen to be there. You who think that they are just victims and that no one helps them and that they are left for years on the streets just don't know what you are talking about.

Bravo!

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 08:15 AM

how silly.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Lies about your country.. Thoes homeless are Americans too, aren't they? Are the troops in Iraq just fighting for the rich? Or isn't it part of your precious country's constitution that all men are equal?

All men are created equal. that's why I expect all men to work.
I already pay more in taxes than 1000s of the poor combined. I've earned the right to expect them to pull just one once of their wieght.
I'm paying for their military protection and everything else they get.
what is your point?

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
You hold the ideal of your country so high, but you turn your back on it in the same breath. And you aren't the only one, either.

saying it doesn't make it true dear.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
What makes you worth more than them aside from money?

my drive to succeed, my hard work, the responsibility of my actions, my contribution to society.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Take that away and put you in their shoes, and you're where?

take away my money and put me in their shoes? where would I be?
out looking for a job, then working at a job, then getting ahead in life again.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
YOU may be "perfect" but what about the rest of the imperfect human beings in your country, and mine, and everywhere else.

I know plenty of imperfect people. they all have jobs, houses, responsibilities.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Patriotism shouldn't be limited, should it? If so, you should probably go inform the soldiers in the middle east. I'm sure they'll be relieved to know they only have to fight for SOME Americans, and not ALL of America. They might get a well-deserved day off, then!

listen, its ok to be embarrassed by canada. really. but don't get mad because I'm NOT embarrassed about america.

sperbonzo · 09-12-2003, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Of course.. But it didn't happen overnight. You didn't just wake up one morning and be transformed with a job and a home and all that. You had a state of transition in between, looking for work.. It wasn't handed to you on a silver platter. I'm sure you can vouch that while a lot of the homeless are "hopeless cases" for various reasons, not all are, and it's many various reasons that put them there.

Of course it wasn't handed to me on a silver platter, and I wouldn't want it that way. I don't want to live in a socialist nightmare (and I have when I was growing up....the UK), and be forced into mediocratey by high taxes and massive goverment regulation so that I'm stuck in some dreary middle. I have been at the lowest low, and now I have a great place on the water, and brand new BMW and a nice boat, etc.... I've worked my ass off to get here and I don't want to have to throw that all away because someone else makes a different choice.

By the way....try turning your life around like that in 90 percent of other countries on the planet.......GOOD LUCK.

I've fought for my country, I've been poor in my country, and I've lived three other countries (UK, South Africa, Hong Kong). I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I LOVE this country!!!

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Impressive . All that done by the US!

I was under the impression that actually our Canadian soldiers are in charge in Kabul as a NATO component.

Did we defeat the US to take that away???

No, we threw you a bone so you could pretend you have a meaningfull military. (once the heavy lifting was over of course)

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Originally posted by directfiesta
And the Gulf War was the US also. You guys have been busy.... History must be wrong of citing the UN with about 50 REAL countries, and US paying about 10% of the cost...

I'm sure that's the history you're learning.
care to provide a link to your historic "facts"?
I'll bet not.

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Originally posted by directfiesta
The US did this, the US did that...

12clicks, your balls are going to burst....

It sucks being in a world where you don't matter doesn't it son?

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
how silly.

listen, its ok to be embarrassed by canada. really. but don't get mad because I'm NOT embarrassed about america.

Heh, I wouldn't live anywhere BUT Canada at this point. My country may be mediocre, and nothing to brag about, but I'm safe, happy, and it's BEAUTIFUL. I guess I'm so much of a bleeding heart though, I just can't condemn people based on what happens in their lives, because I've had shit happen that put me at the bottom of the barrel many times, and I've had to fight like a demon to get back to the top. I'd still love to know what Bush has done for you lately, though :P

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Heh, I wouldn't live anywhere BUT Canada at this point. My country may be mediocre, and nothing to brag about, but I'm safe, happy, and it's BEAUTIFUL.

where I live is no different.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
I guess I'm so much of a bleeding heart though, I just can't condemn people based on what happens in their lives, because I've had shit happen that put me at the bottom of the barrel many times, and I've had to fight like a demon to get back to the top.

and yet you don't hold those who refuse to "fight like a demon" accountable for their actions?
That's where we differ. I spent 15 yrs working in one of the hardest jobs known to man. half those years also working a second job at night.
I don't believe in handing over my hard earned money to some drunk drug addict who's happy living in the street.

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
I'd still love to know what Bush has done for you lately, though :P

He's killed my enemies and lowered my taxes. he's also made the burst of the internt bubble a lot less painful and the recession it caused a lot easier on everyone.

sperbonzo · 09-12-2003, 08:34 AM

Hey 12clicks....send me an email sometime.....I would like to talk to you about something

[email protected]

directfiesta · 09-12-2003, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I'm sure that's the history you're learning.
care to provide a link to your historic "facts"?
I'll bet not.

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Originally posted by directfiesta
And the Gulf War was the US also. You guys have been busy.... History must be wrong of citing the UN with about 50 REAL countries, and US paying about 10% of the cost...
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Amazing how lazy you are 12Shits... You really need links to prove that the Gulf War was a UN operation with major allies...

Oh well, here goes to educate the dumbs:

oooooooooo

The decision comes down after 4 a.m. The United Nations declares, for only the third time in its history, that force will be used against Iraq.

http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-71-593-3109\

ooooooooo

The last major U.S. war, the original Persian Gulf War in 1991, was a different matter. As part of a much larger international coalition, the United States successfully raised almost all of the approximately $61 billion cost through international contributions.

There is, however, a very small cash cushion left over from the 1991 Gulf War. The Defense Cooperation Account, where money from U.S. allies was deposited to help pay for the first Gulf War, still had about $657 in cash and another $13.1 million in holdings of U.S. government securities on hand at February's end, according to the Treasury Department.

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet...EASURY-WAR-COL

ooooooooooo

Coalition States:

Argentina Morocco
Australia Netherlands
Bahrain New Zealand
Bangladesh Niger
Belgium Norway
Britain Oman
Canada Pakistan
Czechoslovakia Philippines
Denmark Poland
Egypt Qatar
France Russia
Greece Saudi Arabia
Honduras Senegal
Hungary Spain
Italy Syria
Germany Turkey
Japan United Arab Emirates
Kuwait United States

http://home.achilles.net/~sal/coalition_countries.html

00000000000000000000

I could go on, but not point to loose time on such a dispictable lowlife.

PSL: It is time you find new phrases to insult people ( Liberal dopey is kind of " passé "....

2nd PS: I am not your son, bitch.

Furious_Female · 09-12-2003, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Ahem I was responding to Miss Furious Female, dear. Did you read her post before you dissected mine? I think you'd find her far more ignorant than I. I can admit the faults of my country. Fuck, of the entire world.

You and others might find me more ignorant than yourself, but please base your opinions of me on facts. I NEVER said the US is without faults, I could sit here and write a War and Peace length book of what's wrong in America, but unlike you, I don't like to harp on every negative occurance of the US or any other issue for that matter. People are quick to point out what they consider bad, but completely ignore the GOOD things we should be grateful for.

Our economic and other issues are nothing new. The fire wasn't started from the Bush administration, it was always burning. You love where you live in Canada so much, why were you trying to become a US citizen before 9/11 as you said? Perhaps you are just pissed off that you aren't, because we needed to take extra security measures and that is why you sound so incredibly bitter and foolish to the facts?

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 08:59 AM

The idea popular among some that the state of the US and it?s position in world affairs is bleak is nothing but incredible short sightedness.

My father, who was vehemently opposed to the Viet Nam war thought he was living in the worst period in American history. Not only Viet Nam but the OPEC oil shocks and a terrible economy combining stagnation and inflation ruled the 1970s.

My future mother-in-law speaks of 1962 and the Cuban Missile Crisis as the scariest week of her life. For 10 days, the Soviet Union and United States played a game of chicken in the Atlantic with the specter of nuclear war looming over the entire affair. As a child in school in the mid-1970s I had to perform ?duck and cover? drills in the event of a nuclear war.

One of my grandfathers fought in World War II. He was a gunner on the USS Enterprise during the most catastrophic war in history.

My other grandfather was a teen during the Great Depression. He had to leave his family, my great-grandparents to go to Oregon and serve in Roosevelt?s Civilian Conservation Corps. His weekly paycheck was sent home to help buy groceries and pay rent.

My Great Grandfather came to the United States in 1921 from Italy after the Great War, the war to end all wars that really wasn't, had devastated Europe in a way that no one had ever witnessed before.

No doubt that if my family had come to the US earlier I would be able to tell you stories from the Civil War, the war that tore our nation apart and threatened to end the United States as they knew it.

Maybe it is human nature for every generation to believe that their current situation is a great crisis. In the absence of a crisis, people seem to manufacture them. Anything this American generation faces is nothing compared to the sacrifices that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents had to make. In fact, today, we need hardly sacrifice at all. We pretty much just live our lives.

Furious_Female · 09-12-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Maybe it is human nature for every generation to believe that their current situation is a great crisis. In the absence of a crisis, people seem to manufacture them. Anything this American generation faces is nothing compared to the sacrifices that our parents, grandparents, and their great grandparents had to make. In fact, today, we need hardly sacrifice at all. We pretty much just live our lives.

Amen.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
poor deluted liberal

I realize the corporate world is over your head but I'll dumb it down for you.
You run a shoe store in town. 4 salesmen, 1 book keeper.
you do well and buy a dress shop in town next to your shoe store. 4 saleswomen, 1 book keeper.
hmmmm, one book keeper can handle both businesses.
in the liberal world that second book keeper is OWED a job!
in the real world there is no need for the second book keeper. she moves on to the next job.

I think we are taking apples and oranges here my friend.. there is a big difference.

I am talking about factories in small towns where people have worked ALL THEIR LIVES, know nothing else and there are not enough openings for 500 - 1000 people laid off.

for what.. because some greedy bastard wanted another company under his belt and will stop at nothing to get it including paying WAY TOO MUCH for a company knowing that they will be putting hundreds and thousands of people out of work.

What are these people to do.... go on welfare? Where does that money come from? Us the tax payer... so who wins? The greedy bastard who got his token company and made his money... who looses? The worker and me, the tax payer who now has to support these people.

Bleeding heart? No... Just tired of having to pay for rich boys and their toys.

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09-12-2003, 07:02 AM	#165
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	Centurion, my liberal lacky, here are some facts. I'm sure you'll ignore them (its the liberal way) but here you go any way. after 9/11 the united states attacked afghanistan, the home of terorrists and their supporters. ALL taliban and alqueda members are now dead or on the run. Since then, the only attacks from osama bin laden have been poorly scripted vhs tapes. If you'd like, I'll attack him with a vhs tape of my own. in 1991, Iraq attacked the peaceful country and friend of the US kuwait. As a result, we defeated iraq. Part of their surrender agreement was disarmorment and verification by inspectors. After 8 years of liberal coddling by clinton and the UN, Bush laid down the law. Why did bush take such a tough stance? because of what we know happened when clinton passed up his chance to eliminate osama bin laden. The UN (whom you liberals follow lockstep) knew there were tons of chemical weapons unaccounted for 10 years after iraq agreed to disarm. Now I understand that you dopey liberals think that if we gave them just another 10 years they would have come clean but as you see, the bungling of liberal president clinton and the UN DID not force iraq to turn over their WMDs it just gave them 10 years to hide them. (oops, the UN conveniently forgets that little fact when denouncing the US) could it be because the UN is not a target of terrorism? could it be as long as the US is the target the rest of the world doesn't really care? Lets see, you liberal bozos like to say iraq has no ties to terrorism. how about this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84265,00.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wnidal25.xml you remember abu abbas and abu nidal don't you centurion? I know it doesn't fit in your defense of saddam and iraq but the liberal party line rarely has use for the truth. liberal fools, here's another example of why we went to iraq from your beloved liberal bastion PBS: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...defectors.html to quote: n 1995, Saddam Hussein actually appeared to be winning in his strategy of cheat and retreat. He had actually managed to hide so many of his weapons that many of the U.N. weapons inspectors thought that he had turned over most of them, and were prepared to make that kind of recommendation. And it was only on the defection of his son-in-law and cousin [Kamel] that the international community realized how much he really still had. The whole crisis actually might have ended at that point, if it hadn't been for that very ... defection. ... so, if not because of ONE bit of luck (saddam's son in law's defection) the UN and the hey, saddam is really a good guy" europeans would have given iraq a clean bill of health about WMDs only to be fooled again. Now you liberal dopes can PRETEND that the above is NOT evidence but it would only prove your stupidity. I'm sure most of you liberals need a 9/11 every other year to give you just enough backbone to ALMOST go out and attack terrorism, but I don't once was enough. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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09-12-2003, 07:37 AM	#173
pauliewalnutz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 486	what i wonder about is it was 2 months into Bushs administration when our country went into this little recession, what everybody has to realize is the TECH boom and now crash is what caused this problem. __________________ <a href="http://netverifier.com/getpaid.asp?siteid=10018799"><img src="http://www.skyweb.net/~kgosselin/banners/newbanner.gif" border="0"></a><br><font color=white size=2> We provide the content to keep your members sticking around!<BR></font> <font color=white size=3>$45.00 per sale!</font>

09-12-2003, 08:59 AM	#198
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	The idea popular among some that the state of the US and it?s position in world affairs is bleak is nothing but incredible short sightedness. My father, who was vehemently opposed to the Viet Nam war thought he was living in the worst period in American history. Not only Viet Nam but the OPEC oil shocks and a terrible economy combining stagnation and inflation ruled the 1970s. My future mother-in-law speaks of 1962 and the Cuban Missile Crisis as the scariest week of her life. For 10 days, the Soviet Union and United States played a game of chicken in the Atlantic with the specter of nuclear war looming over the entire affair. As a child in school in the mid-1970s I had to perform ?duck and cover? drills in the event of a nuclear war. One of my grandfathers fought in World War II. He was a gunner on the USS Enterprise during the most catastrophic war in history. My other grandfather was a teen during the Great Depression. He had to leave his family, my great-grandparents to go to Oregon and serve in Roosevelt?s Civilian Conservation Corps. His weekly paycheck was sent home to help buy groceries and pay rent. My Great Grandfather came to the United States in 1921 from Italy after the Great War, the war to end all wars that really wasn't, had devastated Europe in a way that no one had ever witnessed before. No doubt that if my family had come to the US earlier I would be able to tell you stories from the Civil War, the war that tore our nation apart and threatened to end the United States as they knew it. Maybe it is human nature for every generation to believe that their current situation is a great crisis. In the absence of a crisis, people seem to manufacture them. Anything this American generation faces is nothing compared to the sacrifices that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents had to make. In fact, today, we need hardly sacrifice at all. We pretty much just live our lives. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink" Last edited by ADL Colin; 09-12-2003 at 09:06 AM..

09-12-2003, 08:34 AM	#195
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Hey 12clicks....send me an email sometime.....I would like to talk to you about something [email protected]