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Centurion · 09-12-2003, 01:16 AM

And this makes 100 reasons why the war in Iraq is oh so wrong.

theking · 09-12-2003, 01:20 AM

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Inability to dispute the argument, so makes another bad attempt at ridicule. yawn

Your painfully small minded comments have been disputed over and over and over again by me as well as others...you do not have an IQ high enough to comprehend. Your are dismissed.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by jas1552

I will make an attempt.

We were attacked on 9/11. We decided that it would be better in the future to be proactive rather than reactive. We know Saddam hates the US with a passion. Saddam was sitting on billions of dollars of oil. North Korea has developed nukes and is desperate for money. There is a chance Saddam could have bought a nuke from North Korea and given it to members of Al-Qaeda or some other islamic militants. Saddam had WMDs and WMD development programs, what he has done with them is anyones guess. Saddam started a war and agreed to terms to obtain a ceasefire. He didn't live up to those terms. Breaking the agreement alone was enough justification to end the ceasefire.

The war is costing many billions of dollars. How much would it cost if a nuke were detonated or other WMDs used in a US city? What are the odds of that happening? Are the odds of such a scenario high enough and the possible consequences bad enough to warrant the cost and effort of a war? Anyway, a decision had to be made. I believe the decision was made correctly as does the majority of the US population.

Ok... where are the WDM's?

Why arn't we going after N Korea? They are opening threating us?

Why has the hunt for Bin Ladden become 2nd priority when HE was the cause of 9/11?

Why do we keep pouring money into a country that does not want us there?

Why did we elect a president who cannot run a business let alone a country?

anyone?

baddog · 09-12-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Ok... where are the WDM's?

Why arn't we going after N Korea? They are opening threating us?

Why has the hunt for Bin Ladden become 2nd priority when HE was the cause of 9/11?

Why do we keep pouring money into a country that does not want us there?

Why did we elect a president who cannot run a business let alone a country?

anyone?

because people are too lazy to investigate facts much less vote.

Alexeos · 09-12-2003, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

The Iraq war was for god knows what reason..

for oil
maybe i'm god ?

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by baddog

because people are too lazy to investigate facts much less vote.

Exactly, they listed to the shit that these politicians spew out of their ass and believe it...

and the media only supplies half truths.....

Americans are extremely lazy and greedy... shit, we use to work in this country.

Examples:

We cant even get up off our lazy asses to change the fucking tv channel... we have remotes for everything... shit, one came with my car stereo.... I'm sitting right there... what the fuck do I need a remote for?

We use to build cars, now it's done by machine.. putting a lot of people ot of work to save a few bucks in payrol and produce more cars faster.

Now, we have most of our products built overseas using slave labor... Kathy Lee Gifford, Nike just to name a few.

ooops.. getting off topic... sorry.

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Why arn't we going after N Korea?

You want something else to complain about?

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

You want something else to complain about?

not tonight thank you.. bit too tired... but thanks for asking

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

not tonight thank you.. bit too tired... but thanks for asking

One the one hand you're complaining that the US has spent too much money on war and on the other you are complaining that the US should be consistent and "go after North Korea".

Does it occur to you that you are going to complain in either case?
I smell partisanship.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

One the one hand you're complaining that the US has spent too much money on war and on the other you are complaining that the US should be consistent and "go after North Korea".

Does it occur to you that you are going to complain in either case?
I smell partisanship.

I meant that the excuses that were given was that GWB thought that Sadam was going to use WMD on us when he made no threat...

N Korea made a threat and we do nothing.. that was the point...

If you are going to war on an assumption and not an acual threat.... that makes no sense.

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

We cant even get up off our lazy asses to change the fucking tv channel... we have remotes for everything.

We use to build cars, now it's done by machine.. putting a lot of people ot of work to save a few bucks in payrol and produce more cars faster.

Yeah, let's just scrap the entire concept of industry and technology. You want to hand crank your car in the morning too?

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 04:03 AM

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Yeah, let's just scrap the entire concept of industry and technology. You want to hand crank your car in the morning too?

no, bring back the horse and buggy then we would not need Iraq's fucking oil and we can be done with it....

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

N Korea mad a threat and we do nothing.. that was the point...

OK, here's a question.

What do you want the US to do? Go to war? Try diplomacy? What could the US attempt that you would be happy with?

If the US bombed NK would you be happy?
If the US sent troops into NK would you be happy?
If the US met in North Korea multiple times to attempt to find a diplomatic solution would you be happy?

IS there a solution that is a good one for you or do you plan to complain either way?

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

no, bring back the horse and buggy then we would not need Iraq's fucking oil and we can be done with it....

http://www.panix.com/~clays/Una/una4.html#section14

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

http://www.panix.com/~clays/Una/una4.html#section14

Good article, but what does that have to do with GWb and the war in Iraq? That is what this thread is about....

Why are we there? Why did we go in the first place and why have we not left?

All we are doing is running our economy down to "save" people who don't want us there in the 1st place.

You know, if they found WMD that would be one thing.. but it was all lies.. the real probelm that started all this has become a lower priority.. Bin Ladden is still out there and laughing at us.. while we go to war over something that may or may not happen or weapons they may or may not have... Bin Ladden Did a terrible thing and we have totally put him on hold to fight what I think is a personal war for GWB... one his daddy never finished.

bringer · 09-12-2003, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by baddog

you said you were going to sleep last night so that your mind would be clear. . . . I see it did not help.

You were not alive then, so you do not know WTF you are talking about. Try limiting your discussions to things you have some knowledge of.

me not being alive then has nothing to do with my knowledge of the subject.

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Good article

The Unabomber Manifesto. Are you a neo-Luddite?

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

That is what this thread is about....

That topic has been done to death. Let's talk about something more interesting. You!

I believe you and I were discussing your statement that GWB is inconsistent in his actions towards Iraq and North Korea. I feel pretty certain that is a partisan stance you hold and for no other reason - sort of like when all the Republicans were arguing against Clinton's policy of bombing central Iraq in 1998. I'm interested in what you have to say on that though but you've pretty much danced around the conversation.

We were also discussing your anti-technology stance. ;-)

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 04:35 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

That topic has been done to death. Let's talk about something more interesting. You!

I believe you and I were discussing your statement that GWB is inconsistent in his actions towards Iraq and North Korea. I feel pretty certain that is a partisan stance you hold and for no other reason - sort of like when all the Republicans were arguing against Clinton's policy of bombing central Iraq in 1998. I'm interested in what you have to say on that though but you've pretty much danced around the conversation.

We were also discussing your anti-technology stance. ;-)

ummmm, never said I was anti technology.. how do you think I earn a living.. I was makeing a point about how lazy we have become. We have machines that do everything for us but wipe our ass... shit, I mean moving sidewalkd... what is wrong with just walking... why do you need a sidewalk that moves (airports mostly).

As fas as Clinton.. I did not like him either... but at least the economy was good, I was making a lot of money in mainstream, was real dissapointed about the fucking tobacco settlements.. that was a bunch of shit.

Again, all I am saying is that you have a country that may or may not have weapons and use them against us and we go to war. You have a man who took out 3 building killing 1,000's of innocent people and he is still running free... and you have a country that has openly stated that they are building nukes and will use them on us and nothing is done..

meanwhile, who is suffering... we are. Familys that miss their loved ones, soldiers that were lied to and cannot come home as planned, an economy that is hurting 1,000's of familys...

So I don't understand why ou are having a hard time understanding what I am trying to say. Are you a GWB supporter? Do you really think he is doing a good job? Do you really think we went to Iraq for anything other than personal reasons?

genomega · 09-12-2003, 04:48 AM

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I'm so fucking tired of hearing George Bush continually justify running his fucking country into the ground, all the while making excuses and waxing poetic about his bullshit in Iraq. Sure, I'm a Canadian but a) our economy depends in a way on the US economy, and when he fucks up his country, it affects us too and b) we have to LISTEN to the cocksucker! Great, fine, get rid of terrorism, but guess what... Saddam is gone, and 95% of the people who live in Iraq are NOT terrorists. They just want to live their lives. Continuing to pour money into the endless money pit, keep soldiers from their families, all the other excuses and bullshit to work out his little inferiority complex wear more thin every day. "Think of Iraq as the front on terrorism". That's nice, what about the fuckers that blew up the WTC and the Pentagon? That the brave people on flight 93 gave their lives to stop? Stop making up bullshit excuses, you useless waste of a human being that the world calls George Bush. Get your fucking act together, and start fixing things at home, because before you know it, there won't be a home to look back to when you're done.

Oh, and something else, apparently the people in his own country aren't nearly as important as the ones in Iraq, or he would stop trying to take money away from them. Fucking wanker.

Ok, I'm done. Flame away.

Heh, mindless rant
0 facts
0 logic

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 04:54 AM

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Yes Bush is single handedly bringing our nation down. That's an accurate statement

I've never had any say as to what he or any other president does with my tax money. I don't know of any tax payers that have that option. I would be ignorant yeah, if I believed I could steer the direction of my tax dollars. I'm not interested in starting a movement or taking a stance against where money is spent and where it's not.

Amazing how many Democratic party gatherings were orchestrated at the expense of tax payers, but it only becomes a money issue when it's not being used for something "exciting".

You started this bullshit post with your ridiculous rant... I'm just replying. Sorry to inform you, not everyone supports whatever opinions you have.

That's fine, I never expected them to

I'm well within my rights to state my opinion, and I'm not stupid enough to think everyone will agree

I was ranting and that's my right, it's been interesting bantering with you though heh.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by jas1552

I will make an attempt.

We were attacked on 9/11. We decided that it would be better in the future to be proactive rather than reactive. We know Saddam hates the US with a passion. Saddam was sitting on billions of dollars of oil. North Korea has developed nukes and is desperate for money. There is a chance Saddam could have bought a nuke from North Korea and given it to members of Al-Qaeda or some other islamic militants. Saddam had WMDs and WMD development programs, what he has done with them is anyones guess. Saddam started a war and agreed to terms to obtain a ceasefire. He didn't live up to those terms. Breaking the agreement alone was enough justification to end the ceasefire.

The war is costing many billions of dollars. How much would it cost if a nuke were detonated or other WMDs used in a US city? What are the odds of that happening? Are the odds of such a scenario high enough and the possible consequences bad enough to warrant the cost and effort of a war? Anyway, a decision had to be made. I believe the decision was made correctly as does the majority of the US population.

I thought it was already proven that Iraq doesn't have and never has had Nukes. Wouldn't you rather be prepareing for Korea instead of cleaning up a mess in Iraq?

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 04:57 AM

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Originally posted by jas1552

Leaving Iraq in chaos would be a disaster. We would probably have to do the whole damn thing over again in a year or so and that would likely cost a hell of a lot more than finishing the job we've started.

Let the UN come in.. They've done well enough in the past how many decades... Why not let them help out now? Oh! I'm Sorry, that might mean that Bush doesn't get to be the boss there anymore and push everyone around and make sure they're still licking his boots! My bad.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I thought it was already proven that Iraq doesn't have and never has had Nukes. Wouldn't you rather be prepareing for Korea instead of cleaning up a mess in Iraq?

Actually, and this is just my opinion.. I think we should be putting ALL our effort into finding that bastard BinLadden and make him pay for what he did and leave everything else till that have been achieved.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by rossiya2

How lame is an administration which pursues a bystander while Osama sits there making videos waving a red flag? The biggest fucking example of displacement in world history. They uh, got the wrong guy. At least now finally Iraq is a hotbed of terrorist activity, as Bush had claimed it was in 2002. After injecting copious amounts of Afghan smack now again circulating the world thanks to U.S. sponsored drug kingpin warlord liberators, one might say he demonstrated leadership of a sort.

Hence half the reason right there that Bush claiming the war in Iraq is the "front on terrorism" is laughable at best.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by baddog

because people are too lazy to investigate facts much less vote.

Yeah! And they don't care what this fuckwit Bush does with their tax dollars either, apparently

Alexeos · 09-12-2003, 05:03 AM

money makes the world go around... (c) cabaret

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 05:05 AM

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money makes the world go around... (c) cabaret

Money is the root of all evil

Alexeos · 09-12-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Yeah! And they don't care what this fuckwit Bush does with their tax dollars either, apparently

i know what happens to your taxes... he's buying cows for his farm

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Actually, and this is just my opinion.. I think we should be putting ALL our effort into finding that bastard BinLadden and make him pay for what he did and leave everything else till that have been achieved.

Well yeah, the thing is, Saddam and his regime are gone. Why not let the Iraqis setup a government with the help of the U.N., have some sort of international committee with U.N. peacekeeping troops there and get the men and women who are fighting for american freedom doing the job they are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, and only are in NAME right now. It's not their fault GWB is trying to finish what his father started, but GWB SHOULD NOT be taking advantage of the country for his own personal vendetta. Osama is no closer to being caught. There are STILL troops in Afganistan. When did all of that become SECONDARY to Iraq? OSAMA is the one who is in charge of Al-Quada, why the fuck is Bush wasting time and money piss anting around in Iraq when he should be going after the man who right now is planning more attacks on freedom, not only in America, but in the world? Because Bush is more interested in his own glory than he is the American people, and he's proven that time and again. Look at the B.S. he's trying to push through congress! Cutting overtime pay? Some families only SURVIVE because they get overtime. Cutting soldier's pay? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS MAN THINKING!? WHERE THE FUCK ARE HIS PRIORITIES? It sure as HELL isn't with his people.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Alexeos
i know what happens to your taxes... he's buying cows for his farm

My tax dollars, as an Ontarian, are going to Quebec of course. They don't make any money for themselves, but SOMEONE has to fund their seperatist movement :P

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:09 AM

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So I don't understand why ou are having a hard time understanding what I am trying to say. Are you a GWB supporter? Do you really think he is doing a good job? Do you really think we went to Iraq for anything other than personal reasons?

Please don't insult me with the "why don't you understand what I am saying" line. What next? "You are brainwashed". Just because you've dodged all my questions about North Korea doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm a centrist. There are things I like and dislike about all the US political parties including the smaller ones especially the libertarian party. I'm not a centrist because I think "being in the middle" is a balanced or good thing. Rather, it is because there is no consistent theme that underlies the major parties. Over time, each of the major parties has co-opted some of the views of the other party often in order to gain votes. I'd have to say my views are rather independent of them. Everything looks different from the middle. Not so extreme.

I'm fine with Bush. I was fine with Clinton. I believe the political process is a good one. The concept of strong division of powers combined with a written constitution and common law is an excellent one. It has been much emulated in the world since. It is a remarkably stable and effective system and remains so today.

It's pretty easy to be critical of any president. Democrats complain about every move a Republican makes and Republicans complain about every move Democrats make. From Johnny Carson to David Letterman every president has been the butt of late night talk show jokes.

Every election cycle brings out a chorus of "worst president ever" and "impeach the president". Impeach Clinon? Impeach Bush? The next guy will get the same treatment.

George Bush received about half the votes in the last election. His approval rating is a little over 52% right now. He's pretty much an average president and thought of as so by most people. For the most part, the Americans that think he is great are Republicans. The people that think he is horrible are Democrats.

Nothing new here. Other than in extreme situations people's views are rather partisan. Getting caught up in the party rhetoric is, well, just that.

Another thing, the "I Hate America" crowd isn't going to go away when a Democrat occupies the White House. They are here to stay.

Alexeos · 09-12-2003, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Money is the root of all evil

roots, bloody roots...

give me more roots

Alexeos · 09-12-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

My tax dollars, as an Ontarian, are going to Quebec of course. They don't make any money for themselves, but SOMEONE has to fund their seperatist movement :P

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I thought it was already proven that Iraq doesn't have and never has had Nukes. Wouldn't you rather be prepareing for Korea instead of cleaning up a mess in Iraq?

Are you saying you would applaud the US pulling all troops out of Iraq and transporting them to South Korea to plan a war? ? ? ?

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Money is the root of all evil

I thought it was "Love of money is the root of evil". I just like it a whole lot!

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Are you saying you would applaud the US pulling all troops out of Iraq and transporting them to South Korea to plan a war? ? ? ?

No, but for all the people that are saying they want to make sure there's not nuclear threat to the US, you'd think THEY would be more interested in being prepared for something like that. Personally I think all war is wasteful, even though some wars may be neccessary. North Korea may be able to pop off one nuke, maybe two, but consider the size of their country, and how much more quickly they would ALL be dead when the US reciprocates in kind. Two US cities would be nuked, but North Korea would just be a memory.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Another thing, the "I Hate America" crowd isn't going to go away when a Democrat occupies the White House. They are here to stay.

The thing is, I can perfectly understand why a lot of people in Europe and the middle east say that they hate America. I myself do NOT hate America, I just think it's a damn shame what it's all coming to. I saw the country unite in a way nobody has seen since the second world war (historically speaking), and now, seeing how far things have fallen since then, and the amount of dispair that's rampant (along with the failing economy, worse than ever health care, and a debt unlike the country has ever known), it just makes me shake my head to think how it can all happen so quickly. I've watched presidents come and go, as a Canadian, but none have REALLY PISSED ME OFF, Georgie boy has done it.

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

I thought it was "Love of money is the root of evil". I just like it a whole lot!

it is... just tired... typeing getting slow.. 2 1/2 hours I would have been at this computer 24 hours.... still not sleepy though.. just not functioning too well

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

No, but for all the people that are saying they want to make sure there's not nuclear threat to the US, you'd think THEY would be more interested in being prepared for something like that. Personally I think all war is wasteful, even though some wars may be neccessary. North Korea may be able to pop off one nuke, maybe two, but consider the size of their country, and how much more quickly they would ALL be dead when the US reciprocates in kind. Two US cities would be nuked, but North Korea would just be a memory.

Well, there's whole lot of people that would like to go to war with North Korea (I'm not one of them. I'd much rather find a diplomatic solution. Wouldn't we all?). Opinions are all over the map on that. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and NK would be a good idea. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and so would NK. There are some people that think Iraq was a good idea and NK is not. Everyone has a different frame of reference and ideologies that are of varying importance to them.

Non-proliferation, to me, is the most important policy decision the western world needs to commit to. Everyone seems partially interested but no one has a firm solution. There continue to be more countries with and developing nuclear weapons. I don't think there is any doubt this makes the world a continually more dangerous place. The UN doesn't have a solution, George Bush doesn't have a solution, no one has a solution.

Unless the outcome is obvious, war costs political capital. It will be years before most people have made up their mind as to whether Iraq was even worth it or not. There are many possibilities that would sway most people's opinions.

Iraq is not North Korea. Different situations require different actions. Much political capital spent on Iraq, much money spent on Iraq, fighting a war in China's neighborhood, the effects on South Korea All this diplomacy in the NK situation boring you? I don't believe that fighting a war in North Korea would be a better solution than diplomacy - not for Americans, Koreans, or the rest of the world.

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

it is... just tired... typeing getting slow.. 2 1/2 hours I would have been at this computer 24 hours.... still not sleepy though.. just not functioning too well

Get some rest. Take care of yourself. Come back later ;-)

NBDesign · 09-12-2003, 05:36 AM

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Get some rest. Take care of yourself. Come back later ;-)

thanks... wish I could rest.. don't know wht I can't sleep tonight... today.... lol

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Well, there's whole lot of people that would like to go to war with North Korea (I'm not one of them. I'd much rather find a diplomatic solution. Wouldn't we all?). Opinions are all over the map on that. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and NK would be a good idea. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and so would NK. There are some people that think Iraq was a good idea and NK is not. Everyone has a different frame of reference and ideologies that are of varying importance to them.

Non-proliferation, to me, is the most important policy decision the western world needs to commit to. Everyone seems partially interested but no one has a firm solution. There continue to be more countries with and developing nuclear weapons. I don't think there is any doubt this makes the world a continually more dangerous place. The UN doesn't have a solution, George Bush doesn't have a solution, no one has a solution.

Unless the outcome is obvious, war costs political capital. It will be years before most people have made up their mind as to whether Iraq was even worth it or not. There are many possibilities that would sway most people's opinions.

Iraq is not North Korea. Different situations require different actions. Much political capital spent on Iraq, much money spent on Iraq, fighting a war in China's neighborhood, the effects on South Korea All this diplomacy in the NK situation boring you? I don't believe that fighting a war in North Korea would be a better solution than diplomacy - not for Americans, Koreans, or the rest of the world.

I don't either.. and honestly, I don't think it will come to that. I think Korea is just trying to do the "look what I've got, fear me" thing. A major inferiority complex. I'm sure that they know as well as I do that it would be COMPLETELY useless of them to shoot off a nuke to the US, simple because once the US was done, there wouldn't be any Koreans left to gloat about what they'd done. Politics will likely prevail in this situation, and that's what I'd LIKE to see happen too. Hell, I don't want a nuclear war on my doorstep, I'm only a few hours from New York. NO thank you.

I also believe, however, that the whole Iraq situation needs to be handled differently now. Sure the US troops are taking fire, but guess what, they are occupying a country that really doesn't want them there now. Is this a surprise? Also, take into account that the Arab nations have been making war amongst each other for MILLENIA, it's not surprising that there are sparks flying. The US occupation of Iraq isn't going to change the nature of a people that's been established for thousands of years. I just feel it's time for them to move on. Those poor fellows over there are tired out, hair-triggered, and their job is done. Look at what happened, with the US troops mowing down all those trucks (some of whom were driven by Iraqi police). The "Evil Regime" of Saddam is gone, the U.N. will step in to help. I really so NO REASON why GWB is continuing to occupy Iraq other than to gloat, really. If I'm incorrect, please, sombody enlighten me. Maybe they know something I don't. But I would think that the American people, and the world, would love to see George putting his priorities back in order and going after the REAL threats to the US, not his personal scapegoats and the means of his father's "vindication".

Fabien · 09-12-2003, 05:41 AM

THAT'S IT!!! WAR WITH USA!!!

En astie

quiet · 09-12-2003, 05:47 AM

Technological Fetishism!!

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:49 AM

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Technological Fetishism!!

The way you said that was almost....sexy.

12clicks · 09-12-2003, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

The thing is, I can perfectly understand why a lot of people in Europe and the middle east say that they hate America.

ok, lets hear it.
why?

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
I myself do NOT hate America, I just think it's a damn shame what it's all coming to. I saw the country unite in a way nobody has seen since the second world war (historically speaking), and now, seeing how far things have fallen since then, and the amount of dispair that's rampant (along with the failing economy, worse than ever health care, and a debt unlike the country has ever known), it just makes me shake my head to think how it can all happen so quickly.

stop watching liberal TV shows. Your assumptions are wrong.
There is no "dispair" here is your failing economy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI&t=6m
"worse than ever health care" is a lie. Everyone has the same healthcare we've had forever. yeah, it costs a little more but then, we're not getting 1960s era treatments like our canadian friends either.
Also, our country has always known debt.
You're inability to understand what happened to our economy with the double wammy of 9/11 and the bursting of the false economy bubble along with your lack of knowledge conserning tax cuts and its stimulus to the economy makes you unequipped for this argument.

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I've watched presidents come and go, as a Canadian, but none have REALLY PISSED ME OFF, Georgie boy has done it.

oh well, most of america thinks he's doing what we want and we don't care about what foreigners think. It's not like we can count on them for anything.

LadyMischief · 09-12-2003, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

oh well, most of america thinks he's doing what we want and we don't care about what foreigners think. It's not like we can count on them for anything.

You're such a funny little man, Ron. I love ya anyways, but you're still funny :P

USA Is Doomed · 09-12-2003, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

That topic has been done to death. Let's talk about something more interesting. You!

I believe you and I were discussing your statement that GWB is inconsistent in his actions towards Iraq and North Korea. I feel pretty certain that is a partisan stance you hold and for no other reason - sort of like when all the Republicans were arguing against Clinton's policy of bombing central Iraq in 1998. I'm interested in what you have to say on that though but you've pretty much danced around the conversation.

We were also discussing your anti-technology stance. ;-)

You are a very annoying c<b></b>unt. But you know that don't you?

Another fucking dumb american.

Funny shit.

ADL Colin · 09-12-2003, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

The thing is, I can perfectly understand why a lot of people in Europe and the middle east say that they hate America. I myself do NOT hate America, I just think it's a damn shame what it's all coming to. I saw the country unite in a way nobody has seen since the second world war (historically speaking), and now, seeing how far things have fallen since then, and the amount of dispair that's rampant (along with the failing economy, worse than ever health care, and a debt unlike the country has ever known), it just makes me shake my head to think how it can all happen so quickly. I've watched presidents come and go, as a Canadian, but none have REALLY PISSED ME OFF, Georgie boy has done it.

See - this is just politics.

"How far things have fallen"? That's an interesting point of view.
Is there anything that indicates to you that there is anything that is outside of the normal right now?

Economics. A number of EU countries are in a recession, Japan has been having economic problems for a decade, much of the world's economy is stangant. Hell, the US economy is growing much faster than the EU economic average. So if most of the industrial world is in a slowly growing economy why do you view that as "the US economy is failing"? Good thing you weren't around in 1930. When was the US economy worse than today? Well, we're not even in a recession and yet you think the economy is failing? There have been 22 recessions in the past 100 years, one every 4.5 years, about one per election cycle. All normal. What would you have thought in 1953, 1957, 1960, 1969, 1973, 1980, or 1990? Catastrophe? Since we're not ina recession, all those periods were WORSE that today economically.

Long term average of unemployment is 6%. Unemployment now, I believe 6.1%. Normal.

Debt. Compared to the size of the economy US debt is not at a record high. Debt/GDP exceeded 100% in the aftermath of World War II. The debt/gdp ratio of the US right now is about 60%. The average debt/gdp ratio of the G7 is 59%.

Now, I am no fan of ultra-huge deficits but overall the US is in the same situation on this as most of the other G7 countries. The US is in pretty much the same situation as Italy, Germany, France, and Japan on debt. Yeah, the US debt is huge but so is the US economy. the US economy is monstrously large. The US economy is 45x larger than the world's 10th largest economy, Belgium. Italy at #10 is 10 times smaller. $10,000 in debt is quite different to a guy making $100 million a year and a guy making $30,000 a year.

Apples and oranges.

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