:thumbsup

Every little thing has energi, right .. so there's energi

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It's just a guy with a flashlight moving it around daily, don't be fooled by wild stories of solar systems, aliens and such non sense.

Accually, I am afraid you are all mistaking. According to a recent interview with a christian preist, there is our galaxy, then there is a little space, then there is white puffy clouds.. with angels that sit on them.. and a golden gate..

Its true, He said he even saw it once....

The only things we know for sure are out there are energy, matter and infinite space.

more different systems

We don't know for sure it's infinite.

I've studied astronomy and philosophy for a while, two fields that, when combined, can help think about questions like this one.

As soon as we were able to detect large gas giants in remote solar systems, we began to spot them everywhere. Interesting, huh? So it turns out there are far more stars with planets than we expected, including some configurations we didn't know were possible. Further, it is very likely that earth-scale planets will turn out to be common as well.

The more we see, the more we see how likely extra-solar life is. And, frankly, even life elsewhere within our solar system is a strong possibility, even if we assume that carbon and water are necessary.

But here's a thought... Life is just a word for a certain level of complexity, that results in reproduction, repair, and a few other traits. Why assume that it takes a world just like our own? It might not even take the compounds (or elements) that are a big part of life here.

So yeah, there's life out there. It's just too unlikely that there isn't, in a *huge*, near-infinite universe.

We have strong evidence that the universe is finite. It just happens to be boundless, because of the curviture of space.

what makes you think there is a "Beyond" and it doesn't just end there?

Oh yeah, science... I love science.

A parallel and opposite universe where ...

Brad Shaw is humble.
Boneprone "did" nobody.
Aaron helps newbies.
KK can't find work.
lil2rich4u2 is loved by everyone.
Dugmor needs Viagra.
Serge doesn't post.
Steve Goldman is a philanthropist.

fiddy. :321GFY

That whole donut hole theory :)

Nothing, all other stars & galaxies just an illusion :Graucho

In answer to the topic title...infinity.

simple:

"A long time ago,
in a galaxy far, far away"

so, you will find that galaxy :thumbsup

The question of whether there is life elsewhere in the Universe depends on what you think of abiogenesis. It's a somewhat popular view that since life appeared here on Earth it must have had a fairly decent chance of appearing.

Problem is we know nothing about whether the origin of life is normal or whackily improbable. We know nothing about the odds of self-replicating molecules appearing. It seems that all life on earth is related enough that abiogenesis appeared only once on Earth.

It might that the odds are extremely high (1 in 10 planets) or it might be that they are vanishingly small (1 in *number of planets in universe*. Sample size is pretty small. 1 known case. We know nothing.

If you come across a really strange object in the jungle, what are the odds you'll find another one? Not a clue with the information we have. Speculating that you found it in the forest you happen to be in and calculating how many other forests there are "just like it" won't help.

Fletch pointed out the ignorance of man and that we have no reason to think we are alone in the Universe. I think we are even more ignorant than he does. We don't have a clue.

this is like when people try to explain God, God is nothing like we ever dreamed of, imagined, or can even come close to picturing, His self is so complex and so simple we could never come close to fathem His truth.

this is just like as you said when it comes to life and in the universe in general, even if we found it we would not know if it was or if their is more. this is my reason why i dont want to die as a human you live to discover the future and if heaven is what people hope it is its not the same place i wish it was. to die and be told all secrets that man has spent an infinite amount of time to even start to understand be handed to you.

so live on and prosper!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOO. :glugglug

Who is this God guy? Never met him. You mean the judeo/christian gaseous vertebrate?

Well logically, scientifically and theoretically speaking how could it be finite? For it to be finite it would have to have an end. Then what is on the other side of the end? Human minds can't comprehend infinity because it is very difficult to imagine a forever.

But infinity is the only way it can be.

We live on the surface of a 4 dimensional universe.
Just like the surface of a 3 dimensional ball is 2 dimensional.

Imagine you have a ball and draw a man on it, and lets say he lives. he can keep walking towards one direction but he will eventually come back to its original position. He will think the ball is infinitely big since there is no "end" to it.

Now imagine that ball is the universe and but its 4 dimensional, and we are living on its surface since we are only 3 dimensional. Its huge and its still inflating since the big bang. If you go into one direction for over 10-20 billion light years, you will eventually get back to your originial position.
Once they build telescopes big enough to see that far, they will actually be able to see the big bang. If it happened lets say 10 billion years ago, we just need to see 10 billion light years far into the space to see it.

read my post above

I think rather we envision infinity because we don't see the end. I agree more with Colin, that we are clueless. To an ant on an anthill, the earth might seem infinite.

Also Ian, I agree that life on other systems might be completely different to the point where we might not recognize it as life at all, if we are even able to see it.

It's all definitely interesting stuff to keep the monkeys fascinated for a good long time.

Since they say the Universe is ever expanding, then there must be room out there or it's making room. Some how some way.

Life? Hmmm, Odds are there IS some form of life in many other solar systems. Whether it is something we cam recognize is something open for conjecture.

Could they travel here? Having grown up when the original Star Trek series came out,... everyone scoffed at all the neat things they portrayed on that show. But wow, they have made most all of that come true just in these few short years, So odds are, IF there are folks out there, they could hide from us so easily it's not even open for discussion.

If we travel out there with some sort of propulsion to cut down the distance - time thing, they would have SOME sort of (trekkie) tricorder that would hopefully recognize lifeforms or be able to adapt to it.

And as they say, Kree Gloc kahh! Who knows. lol None of us will be alive to experience it. Maybe when Dick Clark finally decides to pass, he will enlighten us what they have found after we have passed. We all know he has about 500 more years of life left in him. :winkwink:

regarding life on other planets,

even if there is life somewhere else, whats the chance of it being intelligent beyond the threshold to have the ability improve itself and produce technology?

there are over 6 million species on earth and only one of them was intelligent enough.

there are so many coincidences that made our existence possible, its one of the reasons that i believe in God.

Some aliens laughing at all of the people on this planet :1orglaugh.

Why? What information do we possess that indicates it is probable? The vastness of space only tells us that if the odds are
better than 1 in maybe 50 sextillion solar systems or whatever other ratio you want to use that it is highly probable there is life elsewhere. We don't know that number though.

Yeah,

Without the KT extinction, mammals would still be scurrying about in the underworld. We didn't have to appear. It is not at all a given that someday intelligence and technology will appear in an evolutionary line.

There's proof of alien life all over the bible.

Providing the stores in the bible are not fiction anyway.

If you believe the things in the bible actually happend here, then you should believe in life on other planets.

If you believe all the stories in the bible you need a reality check.

Someday they'll put people in institutions for believing those stories.

You are missing the possibility of a finite universe with no edge, that is still boundless. If you can get your head around the "surface of a ball" analogy, you're nearly there.

I love it when uneducated porn webmasters (not you in specific, I mean the whole discussion) think they know more than the scientific community. I think there is plenty of discussion available on the level of what people on GFY know, but its odd when it gets to the point when people say "there is no way" the scientists can be right.

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There are single cell little creatures living in molten lava.. That's pretty extreme.. :)

Who's to say our technology is something special compared to other possibilities throughout the universe? People thousands of years ago might have thought, "wow, I can hit someone with a stick! what a cool weapon!", which we obviously see as primitive. Life in other parts of the universe could have thought of computers and the internet, which we think of as high-tech, thousands of years ago and would laugh at the thought of us being a high-tech society.

We DON'T know but I think that's not Lane's point. It's really that the possibility of technology-using creatures appearing on any planet that life does appear seems like it would be very small. It's quite possible to rely on tooth and claw alone and be the dominant life form on the planet (you bacteriologists will laugh at me). No asteroid 65 millions of years ago. No humans today.

That being said I think he would say that does not dismiss the possibility in any way.

I agree with Lane on that but not on the creator part.

Well, if I remember correctly from Contact:

The universe is incredibly big and if Earth is the only place with life then it would be an aweful waste of space!

We are not alone in this universe!

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the human race will probably never know.

Eventually we will probably get out far enough to discover some one celled organism and stuff, but the chances of finding any intelligent life are very remote.

The odds of a planet being somewhat close and having intelligent life at the same time frame of our exisitance is pretty much impossible.

So maybe there is intelligent life millions and millions of light years away. By the time we encouter them, Earth will no longer have intelligent life.

If we were to meet intelligent life now, they would have had to come from very far away and would be so advanced we would be like animals to them.

the argument for that is that we are one of the youngest solar systems in the universe.

imagine how much certain animals have evolved over the past thousands of years, whos to say what they could do if they had the timelength of a million years.

if their is other intelligent life they are either so smart they do not even waste their time with us, or their is no other intelligent species at all.

Well, actually, many believes that if Mars would more life friendly, life could be found on it... What are the odds that another planet have similar caracteristics as the earth? Extremely high...
LIfe as we know it might also be different than "life" on a different planet.. where oxygene for exemple is not needed... Where "living creatures" are not formed with molecules but something totally different, ect...


And even if what you say is right... (that we might be some freaks of nature) the odds that there's life elsewhere still remain a big probability... 1:2 ?

"believes", yes. This is a very weak kind of belief and pretty philosophical. What do we know about abiogensis? What is the process by which non-living matter becomes living matter for the first time? We know close to nothing. Any calculation of the odds of non-living matter randomly organizing itself into a modern organism (simplest bacteria) are so fantastically close to nothing that it should not have happened.

So some think that maybe there is some sort of self-organization, an emergent property that takes some fiendishly simple life form go from proto-life to life with odds that are non-vanishing. Then one is left only with the question of how non-life becomes proto-life, which is still going to be damned difficult.

It's a very difficult problem. What is the smallest and most likely molecule that can self-replicate and mutate in the process to eventually become a simple organism?

About the odds. Consider that when such calculations are attempted the odds are on the order of 10 to the 40th,50th,60th, and so forth. Absurdly small. An extremely rough estimate is that the number of atoms in the universe is on the order of 10 to the 80th. (what's the error in THAT? ;-) ). So somewhere in there you get to the point where you say "shouldn't happen so what gives? Why are we here?" Now, maybe there is a trick. Maybe there is a way life bootstraps itself up from non-life to life. No one yet knows.

2. Life is what we define it to be. What makes something alive?

fruit punch. lots of it.