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Old 09-03-2003, 04:46 PM   #1
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What do you think of same sex marriages

I am a devout liberal, and I have always thought that it would be O.K. by me, until this last week something that I saw changed my mind. Do not misunderstand this to think I am against gays, (this means you too squirt)


Here is what happended that changed my mind:

I was at my Gym, it is not a chain Gym. Rather it is a family oriented upperscale Gym. There are always a lot of ...welll hmmm lets call them the beautiful people...you know the people I am talking about, the ones that always look good, and have a little extra pocket change to throw around... trophy wifes, etc.. etc.. (I know you california people can relate)

I was doing my normal , Yoga then a little trip to the steam room, and a dip in the jacuzzi.

Thats where I had the vision of all the future turmiol that could, and would be caused if a blanket yes was the answear to same sex marriages.

I believe that so many new rules , and regulations would have to be enforced, that it would not be an easy task.

I was sitting in the steam room minding my own business, relaxing. There were two other gentlemen in the steam room also.
This is not uncommon, as the place is usually quite full. I looked up to see that one of the guys, was rubbing the other guys back.

I must admit, this had me quite dumfounded at what I was seeing take place in a very hetro establishment. (don't get me wrong, there are a lot of gay people there too) I just mean that this is a family establishment with a very large hetro presence to it.

I was thinking to myself, wow if a straight guy had a woman in the same position it would be outrage also. This is a public place!

I then moved to the Jacuzzi , only to find that the same 2 guys followed me into the jacuzzi (not following me, just came in after I did)

One sat down, the other then moved between his legs and started picking the hair on his partners chest! Then I noticed the one guy got out of the jacuzzi, and had a hard on going! He just stood there and admired the other naked men in the showers. I could not believe my eyes!

If this was to be a male / female situation it would be battling out in the court rooms for years to come.

So if the same sex marriage was to be allowed, how would you stop this type of behavior from taking place on a regular basis?

Would you need to build a seperate gay locker facility, like you do for male/female patrons now? would gay people be happy with this situation? or would the complaints of ineaquality make it a cost prohibitive thing for business to do?

What about this? should I , or the people in the showers that were being ogled by this man with his hard on raging, Sue the gym for sexual harrasment?

What about the hetro guys, that feel violated by this man, the same as a woman would if it were a straight guy doing this to them in the showers?

I would like to know all of your input on this, as it is something that has put my liberal stance in question...as to what I would vote on this issue now.

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Old 09-03-2003, 04:50 PM   #2
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Same sex marriage? Who cares. If it makes them happy, go for it. Marriage is still fucking dumb whether you're the opposite sex or not.


Now then.... Gay pride rallies, parades, protests, demonstrations, etc.... ? Fucking ban that shit and throw them fuckers in jail. Or don't fucking complain when I hold a goddamned HETERO PRIDE, rally, parade, demonstration, etc.

I'm sick of the fucking one-sidedness. I got your fucking oppression in my fucking pants bitches. Wanna be gay? Fine. Keep your fucking gayness to yourself. I don't wanna hear it.
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Old 09-03-2003, 04:51 PM   #3
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Allowing or not allowing gay marriages wouldn't have changed your experience. It would have happened either way. Some people like showing public display of affection. Not much you can do about it...
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This has nothing to do with gay marriage. You just realized that you aren't comfortable having homosexuals around you in a variety of situations. You didn't mention marriage once, after the introduction. If what you saw was a problem, then it is a problem with homosexuality, not gay marriage. Something for you to think about.

Personally, it's not a big deal. It shows that segregating restrooms etc. by sex, something we are all used to now, was based on heterosexual assumptions. I've lived in dorms with mixed restrooms, and it was no big deal. Its something people can get used to. Just because someone is attracted to a certain gender does not mean they constantly have inappropriate thoughts, or that they ever do inappropriate things. And when someone does do something inappropriate, that is a problem with that individual, not everyone of their sexual orientation.
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"hetero establishment". ;-)
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Their success rate is even lower than conventional marriages.
I don't think it's a healthy environment to raise kids in.
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Old 09-03-2003, 04:57 PM   #8
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Joesho, those are 2 horny fuckers who can't respect others. Nothing much to think about. It happens anywhere, at anytime with anywho. Just go your own way or if you feel bothered, then just tell them off. It's just a question of respect.

Just my 2 cents.
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I'm sick of the fucking one-sidedness. I got your fucking oppression in my fucking pants bitches. Wanna be gay? Fine. Keep your fucking gayness to yourself. I don't wanna hear it.
We were going to ask you to be the grand marshal at the next gay pride parade in Seattle too! Does this rule you out now?

Get over it amp..you protest too much about something that's no big deal. You're going to hear/see "gayness" everywhere you go unless you stay in your house with the tv, radio, and especially, the internet shut off.
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This has nothing to do with gay marriage. You just realized that you aren't comfortable having homosexuals around you in a variety of situations. You didn't mention marriage once, after the introduction. If what you saw was a problem, then it is a problem with homosexuality, not gay marriage. Something for you to think about.

Right on. And I'm curious if all or most straight men feel "violated" if a gay guy looks twice at you or does a non-verbal "hit" on ya.
My friends actually take it as a compliment!
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Right on. And I'm curious if all or most straight men feel "violated" if a gay guy looks twice at you or does a non-verbal "hit" on ya.
My friends actually take it as a compliment!
I am not offended, or creeped-out, when a gay guy hits on me. I am just chagrinned, because it's only ever the guys. Girls never hit on me, or approach me at all in clubs.
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We were going to ask you to be the grand marshal at the next gay pride parade in Seattle too! Does this rule you out now?

Get over it amp..you protest too much about something that's no big deal. You're going to hear/see "gayness" everywhere you go unless you stay in your house with the tv, radio, and especially, the internet shut off.
Oh I am over it.... and ya know, the gay pride thing doesn;t bother me at all.... what pisses me off is, can you just picture the fucking outrage if there were actually a Hetero Pride Rally somewhere, say.... San Francisco? The gays would go fucking ballistic. I got nothing against gays. But I am sick of it being shoved down my fucking throat.
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I am not offended, or creeped-out, when a gay guy hits on me. I am just chagrinned, because it's only ever the guys. Girls never hit on me, or approach me at all in clubs.
Ah..somehow I find that hard to believe.
I think some of the best girls are SHY and just wait for YOU to make the first move!
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Here in Buenos Aires same sex marriages are legal since last month, and the first woman-woman couple married is a couple I know. Good people, not friends but really good people, and if it makes them happy, well, nice for them. Same sex marriage has nothing to do with sex, but with legal rights and obligations (like social security, heritage rights, right to adopt, etc), it's like hetero people who's in a couple but not married, law is not the same for them as if they're married.

Hey Labret, you can marry here in Buenos Aires!
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Oh I am over it.... and ya know, the gay pride thing doesn;t bother me at all.... what pisses me off is, can you just picture the fucking outrage if there were actually a Hetero Pride Rally somewhere, say.... San Francisco? The gays would go fucking ballistic. I got nothing against gays. But I am sick of it being shoved down my fucking throat.
Umm..dang..you have an interesting view of the "typical" gay man.

I seriously doubt any "riot" would break out in San Fran over a hetero rally (though I think a lot of yawns would! grin)

"shoved down your throat"..I'm sure that was just a wrong choice of words!

But seriously, how are you being "assaulted" so by "gay things"?
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Umm..dang..you have an interesting view of the "typical" gay man.

I seriously doubt any "riot" would break out in San Fran over a hetero rally (though I think a lot of yawns would! grin)

"shoved down your throat"..I'm sure that was just a wrong choice of words!

But seriously, how are you being "assaulted" so by "gay things"?
Here's my take on the whole thing:


Let's suppose you're gay. Or let's suppose I'm gay. I don't care.... it's an example. Now... there's nothing "magical" about being fucking gay alright. It's a sexual preference. Nothing more. It doesn't make you special and it doesn't give you super powers. It means you like to screw the same sex as yourself.

All too obvious, yet apparently not to some.

What is the purpose of a gay pride parade? To announce to the world that "I'm gay!" Well big fucking deal. Who fucking cares. Just as you said, a hetero parade: yawns. So why am I supposed to get excited over a gay pride parade? Why is there national news coverage? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE BIG DEAL?

A step further: Television. Shows are being entirely CENTERED around the single element of being GAY. How many shows are there that the main point of the show is that the lead characters are hetero? None. Why? Because it's FUCKING BORING.

Yet, for some reason, being gay is now a badge of fucking honor. You're gay? Announce it to the world big and loud and you will be carried on shoulders. Give me a fucking break.

You're gay? Fine.... but stop expecting special treatment for it. No one fucking cares who you wanna fuck. Am I threatened? LOL... yeah right. Threatened by what? No, but I AM sick and fucking tired of the gay revolution bullshit. It's overblown and made to BE something when in fact, it is NOTHING. So you like to fuck guys in the ass. Why is this the focal point of television shows? Why is this the ENTIRE REASON for holding a fucking parade?


good christ.... the world is going straight to fucking Hell in a minivan and the Devil's in the backseat with a fucking Big Gulp.
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like I said.... I got nothing against gays in general. But I'm sick of the whole, throwing it in my face shit. If I came over to your house, and you're gay.... the last thing you would expect me to do would be to flaunt my fucking heteroness all up in your face. But if you come to my house as a gay man.... (and again, an example.... I have no idea if you're gay or not)..... it's OKAY for you to flaunt your gayness all up in MY face?


Summing it all up, I can only think of one thing I'd like to say to the gays of this world: Get the fuck over yourselves. You're not that fucking important.
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getting back on topic, Joesho... if you're offended by gays, that's your personal problem. I could do a helluva lot more to offend you than some gay couple touching each other. Get over it.
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getting back on topic, Joesho... if you're offended by gays, that's your personal problem. I could do a helluva lot more to offend you than some gay couple touching each other. Get over it.
Thats just it man... I am not offended by gays, I have seen them make out at parties, show affection in public, I have friends that are gay that come to my house and eat dinner or spend the day with my family...I have business associates that are gay... (both male and female)

But this was different...it was like this vision of ancient roman times flashed before my eyes ...then the end came...it was an epiphany man...and I am curious as to how I will vote on that subject now... i am looking for points of view...not "fuck you JoesHo you just don't like gays"...cause that aint it man... i just think it will cause way to much backlash...is the epiphany that I had that's all... so i need a little clarification on where the finish line is for this issue...
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What is the purpose of a gay pride parade? To announce to the world that "I'm gay!" Well big fucking deal. Who fucking cares. Just as you said, a hetero parade: yawns. So why am I supposed to get excited over a gay pride parade? Why is there national news coverage? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE BIG DEAL?

Hokay..for starters..yes I am gay.

Amp, you've answered your own question on "Why am I supposed to get excited over a gay pride parade?"

You're NOT! No one has asked you to. If you want to, that's great, but it is MAINLY for Gay/Lesbian/Bi-sexual folk. You seem to be upset over something that has never been asked of you.

Why is there national news coverage? Why is ANYTHING ever on the news? Because it's news! And the more "titilating", the better for the ratings. Are you saying you want NO national news coverage of ANY gay event ever? Tad bit un-realistic comming from a man like you who seems to understand that life is pretty complicated and multi-faceted at times.
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A step further: Television. Shows are being entirely CENTERED around the single element of being GAY. How many shows are there that the main point of the show is that the lead characters are hetero? None. Why? Because it's FUCKING BORING.

Does your tv just get the NBC channel on Thursday nite at 9pm local time? (That's when "Will & Grace" are on)

I think you might be exaggerating a tad when you say shows are being entirely centered around the single element of being gay.
A few are (thankfully!), but geez Amp! There's Billions & billions of lousy hetro series on tv also!

In fact, I think 9 of the top ten shows for last season were with straight leading men & women. (Character wise..not real life)
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You're gay? Fine.... but stop expecting special treatment for it. No one fucking cares who you wanna fuck. Am I threatened? LOL... yeah right. Threatened by what? No, but I AM sick and fucking tired of the gay revolution bullshit. It's overblown and made to BE something when in fact, it is NOTHING. So you like to fuck guys in the ass. Why is this the focal point of television shows? Why is this the ENTIRE REASON for holding a fucking parade?


Sigh..the old "you want special treatment" argument.

Believe what you want Amp, gay men & lesbian women just want to be left alone to lead their life the way they want and to be afforded the same fruits (no pun intended) of their labors (benefits, employment, etc), that straight folk get.

And about parades..why the fuck do the Irish have to march down the street every 3/17? Ever seen an Outer Mongolian parade? So, carefull about arguing against something like parade, because many times the very thing you are so opposed to might mean the world to someone else! And I ain't talking about gay guys either!
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like I said.... I got nothing against gays in general. But I'm sick of the whole, throwing it in my face shit. If I came over to your house, and you're gay.... the last thing you would expect me to do would be to flaunt my fucking heteroness all up in your face.

Summing it all up, I can only think of one thing I'd like to say to the gays of this world: Get the fuck over yourselves. You're not that fucking important.
Psst! Hey Amp! Guess what? You flaunt your heteroness in almost 90% or more of your posts! (When you talk about women, which is often! )

But it doesn't bother me. Why not afford me the same courtesy?

And as you say "Get the fuck over yourself"..you're not that fucking important either! (Said with the best of intentions!)
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Sigh..the old "you want special treatment" argument.

Believe what you want Amp, gay men & lesbian women just want to be left alone to lead their life the way they want and to be afforded the same fruits (no pun intended) of their labors (benefits, employment, etc), that straight folk get.
bullshit.... if they "just wanted to be left alone" they wouldn;t be drawing national attention to themselves. They WANT the attention. And don't you dare deny it.
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Psst! Hey Amp! Guess what? You flaunt your heteroness in almost 90% or more of your posts! (When you talk about women, which is often! )

But it doesn't bother me. Why not afford me the same courtesy?

And as you say "Get the fuck over yourself"..you're not that fucking important either! (Said with the best of intentions!)
Show me one post where I talked about "women".
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i just think it will cause way to much backlash...is the epiphany that I had that's all... so i need a little clarification on where the finish line is for this issue...
That wasn't an ephiphany you had...it was a boner!

Seriously, you may not have GENERAL issues about being gay, but it's obvious the mere THOUGHT of gay sex is something you are not comfortable with. Fine, that fits a lot of people in this country.

But guys (straight & gay!) have been spouting boners for centuries in "men only changing" rooms, and there has been no backlashes. If one was to have happened, it would have happened by now.

The question is not where the "finish line" is for the world, but where is it for YOU? Because it appears you are basically the only person having a problem with what you "saw". Get over it and move on. Life is much too short to give this scenario much thought!
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bullshit.... if they "just wanted to be left alone" they wouldn;t be drawing national attention to themselves. They WANT the attention. And don't you dare deny it.
I deny it. Get over it Amp..like you said before..you're making a huge mountain over a mole hill here.
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Show me one post where I talked about "women".
You can't be serious? I've got better things to do with my time that to rummage through all of your old posts buddy!
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I deny it. Get over it Amp..like you said before..you're making a huge mountain over a mole hill here.
Okay fine..... the next gay attention getter I see, I'm going to shove down your throat. But you know that already. Gays just wanna be left alone.

This won't take long.
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same sex marriage is fine as long as they don't do what's not right in the eye of the public!!!
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You can't be serious? I've got better things to do with my time that to rummage through all of your old posts buddy!
I don't talk about women for the sake of talking about women. If I'm talking about a woman, it's in reference to my girlfriend and something that she either did or has been done to her.

You are obvoiusly thinking of the cretins that drool over every pic posted on GFY. I still ask you to find a post of that nature authored by myself.
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same sex marriage is fine as long as they don't do what's not right in the eye of the public!!!
Would you mind re-stating what you meant in English?
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Okay fine..... the next gay attention getter I see, I'm going to shove down your throat. But you know that already. Gays just wanna be left alone.

This won't take long.
Amp..I think you see & hear what you want, and no one is going to be able to convince you otherwise.

Special rights and equal treatment under the law are not the same thing.

If you consider working to establish equal treatment under the law as "attention getting", then yes, Gay Men & Lesbian Women do want to bring attention to this situation.
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I don't talk about women for the sake of talking about women. If I'm talking about a woman, it's in reference to my girlfriend and something that she either did or has been done to her.

You are obvoiusly thinking of the cretins that drool over every pic posted on GFY. I still ask you to find a post of that nature authored by myself.
You have a girlfriend..so, if I wanted to be highly agitated, I could argue that you just flaunted your "heteroness" in my face.

I could even go to the extreme and ask you to be "gender neutral" when talking about your "special someone" because it REALLY BOTHERS ME!

But it doesn't! See?
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same sex marriages should never ever be allowed, their are already to many special interest groups we dont need to create anymore it just ends up costing the country as a whole in the long run, once you open the door to a fag they want everything in equality.

too bad, being gay is a lifestyle choice not a race, and should be treated like this and never be allowed.
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agreed. A perversion should not be given credibility.
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same sex marriages should never ever be allowed, their are already to many special interest groups we dont need to create anymore it just ends up costing the country as a whole in the long run, once you open the door to a fag they want everything in equality.

too bad, being gay is a lifestyle choice not a race, and should be treated like this and never be allowed.
Your post shows only one thing:

You know so little about homosexuality.
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