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KRL · 08-29-2003, 03:14 AM

Microsoft Set To Change Its Internet Browser

Microsoft Corp., which this month was found to have infringed a patented method for viewing Internet pages, will make changes to its Web browser software, according to the World Wide Web Consortium trade group.

The consortium, which counts Microsoft as a member, said the company will make changes "very soon" to its Internet Explorer program that "may affect a large number of existing Web pages." The group made the claims in a statement on its Web site, citing conversations with unidentified Microsoft officials.

Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler said the company "may take precautionary steps in response to the ruling." He declined to say what those steps are and confirmed Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft has talked to the consortium about the ruling.

Internet Explorer controls about 96 percent of the browser market. A federal jury in Chicago ordered Microsoft to pay $521 million to the University of California and Chicago-based Eolas Technologies Inc. for infringing a patented method of accessing interactive programs with a browser. Eolas' lawyer has said the company will seek hundreds of millions of dollars more in royalties.

The jury award was based on royalties for units sold between November 1998 and September 2001.

shima · 08-29-2003, 03:19 AM

Poor ol' Bill..

sumphatpimp · 08-29-2003, 03:23 AM

the internet started out being a good thing, now it is just a big friggin mess.

too many jack offs just looking to scam a buck.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Microsoft Set To Change Its Internet Browser

Microsoft Corp., which this month was found to have infringed a patented method for viewing Internet pages, will make changes to its Web browser software, according to the World Wide Web Consortium trade group.

The consortium, which counts Microsoft as a member, said the company will make changes "very soon" to its Internet Explorer program that "may affect a large number of existing Web pages." The group made the claims in a statement on its Web site, citing conversations with unidentified Microsoft officials.

Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler said the company "may take precautionary steps in response to the ruling." He declined to say what those steps are and confirmed Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft has talked to the consortium about the ruling.

Internet Explorer controls about 96 percent of the browser market. A federal jury in Chicago ordered Microsoft to pay $521 million to the University of California and Chicago-based Eolas Technologies Inc. for infringing a patented method of accessing interactive programs with a browser. Eolas' lawyer has said the company will seek hundreds of millions of dollars more in royalties.

The jury award was based on royalties for units sold between November 1998 and September 2001.

Is this another Acacia in your mind?

KRL · 08-29-2003, 03:36 AM

Microsoft must be taking it pretty darn seriously if they're going to re-write Explorer's code over it.

Yep, sounds like another Acacia type situation.

Brian911 · 08-29-2003, 03:39 AM

whatever they do, it will probably take a long, long time to actually affect webmasters because most surfers wont be updating...

unless they force an update through the RPC overflow bug

KRL · 08-29-2003, 03:43 AM

I just saw another company also that is claiming they have the patent for digitally signed transactions on the Internet.

That could be another nightmare in the making.

SGS · 08-29-2003, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I just saw another company also that is claiming they have the patent for digitally signed transactions on the Internet.

That could be another nightmare in the making.

I get the feeling that these things are going to crawl out of the woodwork on a regular basis now.

KRL · 08-29-2003, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by SGS

I get the feeling that these things are going to crawl out of the woodwork on a regular basis now.

Its the juicy settlement money. Lawyers going into a feeding frenzy when they see Microsoft cutting 1/2 a billion dollar checks.

Can't blame these patent holders really. Its a great way to make money without having to work for it. Just sit back, let someone make a fortune off your patented idea and then pounce on them when they can be jacked.

stocktrader23 · 08-29-2003, 04:22 AM

I'd do it had I actually patented something. Are forums patented yet?

sweet7 · 08-29-2003, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by sumphatpimp
the internet started out being a good thing, now it is just a big friggin mess.

too many jack offs just looking to scam a buck.

So who's scamming here? M$ or Eolas?

Nathan · 08-29-2003, 07:08 AM

Hey,

does anyone know details about this? What exactly was it that was patented?

So we can figure out what might be changed in IE.

calm · 08-29-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Hey,

does anyone know details about this? What exactly was it that was patented?

So we can figure out what might be changed in IE.

You'd think this would have come up sooner in this croud.... or not. A bump nontheless.

loverboy · 08-29-2003, 08:34 AM

ok, another limelight for Microsoft. this would really affect other softwares dependent on IE, they will too need some overhaul of their systems. that's how big Microsoft controls the internet.

Lane · 08-29-2003, 09:32 AM

lawyers are such scums

untitled · 08-29-2003, 09:37 AM

lEricPl · 08-29-2003, 10:01 AM

I think I read about this a few weeks ago and I think other browsers are in violation too.

I can't believe how fucked the courts are to award these types of rulings.

I'm sure they are appealing.

Fatbat · 08-29-2003, 10:04 AM

I can't believe anyone can just go a file a patent on generic technology that isn't unique. Like patenting a pop up or some dumb shit like that.

lEricPl · 08-29-2003, 10:08 AM

http://www.eedesign.com/pressreleases/prnewswire/92888

For example, the technology is used often with stock information, video players, games, virtual real estate tours and other interactive content on the Web.

Flash maybe?

lEricPl · 08-29-2003, 10:13 AM

http://www.computerworld.com/softwar...,83929,00.html

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Microsoft called the jury's decision "disappointing" and said it plans to appeal the verdict to the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. "We are confident the facts will support our position," the software vendor said in a statement.

TheJimmy · 08-29-2003, 10:15 AM

awwwwwwwwwww

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JSA Matt · 08-29-2003, 10:19 AM

So who holds the patent on the wheel?

untitled · 08-29-2003, 10:41 AM

http://cse.stanford.edu/class/cs201/...ypermedia.html

this patent covers use of any embedded program objects, or applets within Web documents, and any computer program product for use in a system comprising of at least one client workstation and one network server

so flash would be in violation if it gets data from an external server, LAME, i make a living off flash games and anything as llittle of a high score list would put it in violation. DAMN alot of online games would be in violation, actually ALOT OF SHIT would be!!!

EZRhino · 08-29-2003, 11:28 AM

I'm shocked that Microsoft isnt trying to fight it more.

Rictor · 08-29-2003, 11:31 AM

Royalties? So people actually pay for Internet Explorer?

lEricPl · 08-29-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Royalties? So people actually pay for Internet Explorer?

I don't think its just Internet Explorer...I think they are just going after them because they have money.

Microsoft is fighting it.

It seems they do VERY well with appeals for some reason.

The Other Steve · 08-29-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Royalties? So people actually pay for Internet Explorer?

The next version of IE will be a paid for release. It will either be OEM or you fork out dollars to upgrade - no more freebies.

That's just part of the fallout from hassle Microsoft had with the justice department last year.

On top of that - quite a few software makers are moving to the same activation system that Microsoft use for XP - Macromedia and Adobe are two of them.

bret · 08-29-2003, 03:08 PM

i have to side 100% with the courts. otherwise what good is a patent. sorry, i guess microsoft should have done their homework.

to say anything contrary would be 100% anti-capitalism and anti-american. And since M$ is a U.S. based company any problems they have with this violation are unjust.

I do side with M$ on the money issue... if anything they are losing money by making a free browser. they have to pay people to write the code, troubleshoot, beta test, customer support personnel, i say the patent holder cuts M$ a check to help soak up the loss they take on IE. I sure as hell do not see how they are making money off it... so if the asshole patent holder wants part of the action, let them have it...

Where does the $521,000,00.00 figure come from? Plus royalties?!?!? What royalties... Somone needs to shoot the fucking idiot who awarded this sum.

if anything they should have ordered microsoft to put the order of coding a new browser as job 1 or face penalites if they did not comply by a set date. but no money should have been paid out to the patent holder.

unless i am missing something and microsoft is making money off IE... maybe the patent holder tried to infer that an end user purchases an operating system not only for the os itself, but also for the software (deemed free or otherwise) bundled with it...

or maybe i am just talking out of my ass.

TheFLY · 08-29-2003, 03:53 PM

I'm going to sue the fuck out of Bill Gates too... I know where the Internet is going and I'm going to patent these ideas before anyone else

SMG · 08-29-2003, 03:58 PM

Is HTTP protocol patented? *goes off to a patent office*

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loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	ok, another limelight for Microsoft. this would really affect other softwares dependent on IE, they will too need some overhaul of their systems. that's how big Microsoft controls the internet.

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untitled Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 352	http://cse.stanford.edu/class/cs201/...ypermedia.html this patent covers use of any embedded program objects, or applets within Web documents, and any computer program product for use in a system comprising of at least one client workstation and one network server so flash would be in violation if it gets data from an external server, LAME, i make a living off flash games and anything as llittle of a high score list would put it in violation. DAMN alot of online games would be in violation, actually ALOT OF SHIT would be!!! __________________ Suicide isn't so bad, give it a chance... Last edited by untitled; 08-29-2003 at 10:43 AM..

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bret Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: detroit Posts: 766	i have to side 100% with the courts. otherwise what good is a patent. sorry, i guess microsoft should have done their homework. to say anything contrary would be 100% anti-capitalism and anti-american. And since M$ is a U.S. based company any problems they have with this violation are unjust. I do side with M$ on the money issue... if anything they are losing money by making a free browser. they have to pay people to write the code, troubleshoot, beta test, customer support personnel, i say the patent holder cuts M$ a check to help soak up the loss they take on IE. I sure as hell do not see how they are making money off it... so if the asshole patent holder wants part of the action, let them have it... Where does the $521,000,00.00 figure come from? Plus royalties?!?!? What royalties... Somone needs to shoot the fucking idiot who awarded this sum. if anything they should have ordered microsoft to put the order of coding a new browser as job 1 or face penalites if they did not comply by a set date. but no money should have been paid out to the patent holder. unless i am missing something and microsoft is making money off IE... maybe the patent holder tried to infer that an end user purchases an operating system not only for the os itself, but also for the software (deemed free or otherwise) bundled with it... or maybe i am just talking out of my ass.

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