3rd party counter that tracks multiple pages with referrers - GoFuckYourself.com

TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 09:03 AM

I'm looking for a drop-in counter that can show traffic flow patterns... So I can see how many hits a referrer sent maybe page 3 levels deep into my site...

lil2rich4u2 · 08-05-2003, 09:03 AM

yes i used to know one .... hmmmmmmm

digifan · 08-05-2003, 09:05 AM

I can recommend the new and free porngraph counter see http://www.porngraph.com it is very accurate.

lil2rich4u2 · 08-05-2003, 09:05 AM

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...page+coun ter

digifan, porngraph doesnt do multipage, does it?

TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by digifan
I can recommend the new and free porngraph counter see http://www.porngraph.com it is very accurate.

Yeah this is EXACTLY what I was looking for -- I talked to the programmer on ICQ last month -- he was just about to launch it. Anyway, I'm going to try it out...

lil2rich4u2 · 08-05-2003, 09:08 AM

ooooohhh fuck me in the ass

john is gonna kill me for not recommending his counter first.

but i never knew it was a multi-page counter. good to know though ...

sorry john ... i owe ya some good head ...

TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 09:08 AM

I haven't signed up but here's what it says "Our unmatched navigational stats allow you to see on which page your surfers enter your site and exit your site. You can also see the paths which they follow around your website, page by page. Knowing where your surfers go on your site, and where they leave can help you increase member retension. "

BUT we'll see if this actually tags the referrer info to the navigational info... so I can see who is sending quality traffic and who is sending shit...

TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 09:19 AM

From a programmer's point of view -- you would have to associate the referrer with the IP -- or insert the referrer into the cookie... then have a separate toplist for each page that's being tracked... And of course I'd like to do all this without using CGI links for the navigational pages...

If there's no realtime/3rd party solution, what's the best option for log-file analysis...?

lil2rich4u2 · 08-05-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
we'll see if this actually tags the referrer info to the navigational info... so I can see who is sending quality traffic and who is sending shit...

genious ... dunno why i cant think of this shit lol

TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

genious ... dunno why i cant think of this shit lol

welcome to the borg.

digifan · 08-05-2003, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...page+coun ter

digifan, porngraph doesnt do multipage, does it?

It does... and it is way cool.

GoGoBar · 08-05-2003, 09:29 AM

Our stats are multipage, however referers are shown overall for each site.

What you are asking for is not really "referers". When a sufer is 3 pages deep into your site, the "referer" for the 3rd page his is the second page (the one he click the link on to get the 3rd page).

I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?

digifan · 08-05-2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Yeah this is EXACTLY what I was looking for -- I talked to the programmer on ICQ last month -- he was just about to launch it. Anyway, I'm going to try it out...

It works fine, you won't regret it

lil2rich4u2 · 08-05-2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar
Our stats are multipage, however referers are shown overall for each site.

What you are asking for is not really "referers". When a sufer is 3 pages deep into your site, the "referer" for the 3rd page his is the second page (the one he click the link on to get the 3rd page).

I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?

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TheFLY · 08-05-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GoGoBar
Our stats are multipage, however referers are shown overall for each site.

What you are asking for is not really "referers". When a sufer is 3 pages deep into your site, the "referer" for the 3rd page his is the second page (the one he click the link on to get the 3rd page).

I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?

Sure the cgi referrer is always the previous page -- but what good is that information? That's obvious. I should be able to know how many hits xyz.com referred to a page 3 levels deep into my site... That way I can measure targeting, hitbots, etc...

Doing overall referers for an entire site is too simplistic -- an img-src tag or hidden frame could fake that -- that's useless info!!!

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 12:13 AM

Eh... Do I have to code my own shit or can you losers step to the plate with some useful software?

Nathan · 08-06-2003, 02:36 AM

Hey TheFly,

If I understand correctly, basically what you want is to have the referrer of the first request to your site tagged to every single page request on your site, so you can check what original referrer a person hitting any page came from.

Is this about what you want? An interesting idea if that is what you want... let me know, and if it is, wait for a day or so and you might just have something ;)

GoGoBar · 08-06-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
Eh... Do I have to code my own shit or can you losers step to the plate with some useful software?

Why don't you answer my original post politely instead of sarcasticly and answer my questions. Maybe you'll get what you want that way instead of just creating more meaningless bullshit talking posts.

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Hey TheFly,

If I understand correctly, basically what you want is to have the referrer of the first request to your site tagged to every single page request on your site, so you can check what original referrer a person hitting any page came from.

Is this about what you want? An interesting idea if that is what you want... let me know, and if it is, wait for a day or so and you might just have something ;)

Exactly man. You can see how useful this info would be. It would allow a paysite to know what galleries/banners are resulting in hits to the signup page -- also it allows a trade site to know what trades are useful, what trades suck...

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan
Hey TheFly,

If I understand correctly, basically what you want is to have the referrer of the first request to your site tagged to every single page request on your site, so you can check what original referrer a person hitting any page came from.

Is this about what you want? An interesting idea if that is what you want... let me know, and if it is, wait for a day or so and you might just have something ;)

It's rather complicated, but in theory I think it would work like this... Let's say URL ABC had 100 hits, but the referer was always the main page of the site...

For each page on the site you would need a toplist of the original referers (tagged) and the direct referers (oldschool)

You might do this...
URL ABC
50 hits original-referer blah1.com/whatever.html
40 hits original-referer blah2.com/stuff.html
10 hits direct-referer google.com/tumadre.html

It might seem like I'm asking a lot, but this would be a VERY useful tool that I'd use myself and I'd recommend all new webmasters to use this tool also...

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Why don't you answer my original post politely instead of sarcasticly and answer my questions. Maybe you'll get what you want that way instead of just creating more meaningless bullshit talking posts.

Nice one.

I did answer your original post.

"I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?"

And my response was:

"Sure the cgi referer is always the previous page -- but what good is that information? That's obvious. I should be able to know how many hits xyz.com referred to a page 3 levels deep into my site..."

Notice that I said "cgi referer" -- your server is always going to tell you the previous page, but please tell me when that information would ever be useful...? How is the cgi referer useful on for example a CC signup page that is never linked to from outside the site...? It would be WAY MORE useful to have all the original referrers listed in a toplist format for each URL on the site so you can see where the traffic is coming from. You could track this all by following the IP on the server with perhaps a database, or you could just insert a cookie when the surfer hits the site for the first time -- and read that cookie on every page that needed "tagged referrer" tracking...

Your original post pissed me off because you assumed that I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

"I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?"

Maybe I should have just said "No."

Maybe this was not clear enough: "I'm looking for a drop-in counter that can show <b>traffic flow patterns</b>... <b>So I can see how many hits a referrer sent maybe page 3 levels deep</b> into my site..."

Anyhow I think we have clarified this now -- and it's not like I'm begging for anyone to code this... If nobody has coded this idea yet, it really NEEDS to be done -- and I've just given out a free idea that's worth $$$. Any coders with a 3rd party counter should be grateful that I'm throwing new ideas out into the open like this (if in fact it is a new idea and it hasn't been already implemented, in which case it would be nice if somebody just posted where I can go to get the software).

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 09:43 AM

I've had a few webmasters offer to pay me thousand$ to essentially code something that would track affiliate codes through a paysite tour... Instead of re-inventing the wheel -- all we need is a 3rd party counter that tags the original referrer either by IP or by cookie, connecting that useful information to important pages like signup forms, niche category links, hitbot traps, etc.

TDF · 08-06-2003, 09:43 AM

then do it..easy money great swammi

TheFLY · 08-06-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
then do it..easy money great swammi

I have way more tasty things on my plate -- I throw the easy ideas to the sharks.

Here's one that's a little more yummy:

I'll just give a hint:

"referrer tagged return stats"

That's a $100K idea right there

Nathan · 08-06-2003, 11:09 AM

Hey TheFLY,

we will look into this and see how we can incorporate those stats the best way.

I'll let you know.

GoGoBar · 08-06-2003, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Your original post pissed me off because you assumed that I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

"I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?"

No, I didn't assume anything. You are the one who is making assumptions about what I said. I was simply trying to have you clarify what you meant becuase _I_ was the one who did not quite understand what you meant.

I know GFY can be a hostile place at times, but don't always assume everyone is out to be an asshole. I was just trying to fully understand what you wanted, thats why I asked you.

Anyway, I think you're talking with Nathan (the actual programmer behind the site) on this feature, so I'll let you continue it with him.

ScriptBall · 08-06-2003, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
I'm looking for a drop-in counter that can show traffic flow patterns... So I can see how many hits a referrer sent maybe page 3 levels deep into my site...

Maybe I'll make one just to see what it goes for.

Nathan · 08-23-2003, 02:54 AM

Hi TheFly,

we finally did what you suggested..

Log in to your PornGraph stats, go to Page Stats (Pages link). There you see a breakdown of all pages the counter is on, and you see two links next to the urls: P and Ref. P will give you all paths with the referrer inside and Ref will give you a list of Traffic Sources for this page. Meaning how many hits to the page came from which referrer and also how many new visitors that cam to that page came from which referrer.

This is still experimental and in beta! But it looks to be working.

Also, in case anyone wants to know, PornGraph now has Week and Month stats for Referrers and such. Both total top stats for a Week or a Month but also, a comparision of all days of that week or month for a single referrer or the like.

Just check it out, it kicks ass ;)

Phil21 · 08-23-2003, 03:28 AM

Haha, Pete.. You stole my idea for TGP galleries I was using.

Naw.. old idea, but it's actually kinda a tough problem. Well, not so really, until you want to track clicks OUT to sponsors/partners/whatever.

I should give you my old code, you can probably modify it for your needs. Does mostly what you want, but you'd have to tweak it some. I have a new "version" I've been pecking at here and there when I get sick of my other work that won't require cookies or anything, all server-side (but a bit more CPU intensive unfortunately)

So yeah, with a bit of hacking I pretty much have what you want. it's certainly not drop-in and good to go though.

-Phil

08-05-2003, 09:03 AM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	3rd party counter that tracks multiple pages with referrers I'm looking for a drop-in counter that can show traffic flow patterns... So I can see how many hits a referrer sent maybe page 3 levels deep into my site...

08-05-2003, 09:03 AM	#2
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	yes i used to know one .... hmmmmmmm __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

08-05-2003, 09:05 AM	#3
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	I can recommend the new and free porngraph counter see http://www.porngraph.com it is very accurate. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

08-05-2003, 09:05 AM	#4
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...page+coun ter digifan, porngraph doesnt do multipage, does it? __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

08-05-2003, 09:08 AM	#6
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	ooooohhh fuck me in the ass john is gonna kill me for not recommending his counter first. but i never knew it was a multi-page counter. good to know though ... sorry john ... i owe ya some good head ... __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

08-05-2003, 09:19 AM	#8
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	From a programmer's point of view -- you would have to associate the referrer with the IP -- or insert the referrer into the cookie... then have a separate toplist for each page that's being tracked... And of course I'd like to do all this without using CGI links for the navigational pages... If there's no realtime/3rd party solution, what's the best option for log-file analysis...?

08-05-2003, 09:29 AM	#12
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	Our stats are multipage, however referers are shown overall for each site. What you are asking for is not really "referers". When a sufer is 3 pages deep into your site, the "referer" for the 3rd page his is the second page (the one he click the link on to get the 3rd page). I think what you want to find out is how many pages a person hits on your site from referer x, y, or z? Is this correct?

08-06-2003, 12:13 AM	#16
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Eh... Do I have to code my own shit or can you losers step to the plate with some useful software?

08-06-2003, 02:36 AM	#17
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hey TheFly, If I understand correctly, basically what you want is to have the referrer of the first request to your site tagged to every single page request on your site, so you can check what original referrer a person hitting any page came from. Is this about what you want? An interesting idea if that is what you want... let me know, and if it is, wait for a day or so and you might just have something ;) __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-06-2003, 09:43 AM	#22
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I've had a few webmasters offer to pay me thousand$ to essentially code something that would track affiliate codes through a paysite tour... Instead of re-inventing the wheel -- all we need is a 3rd party counter that tags the original referrer either by IP or by cookie, connecting that useful information to important pages like signup forms, niche category links, hitbot traps, etc.

08-06-2003, 09:43 AM	#23
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	then do it..easy money great swammi __________________ Sig heil

08-06-2003, 11:09 AM	#25
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hey TheFLY, we will look into this and see how we can incorporate those stats the best way. I'll let you know. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-23-2003, 02:54 AM	#28
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hi TheFly, we finally did what you suggested.. Log in to your PornGraph stats, go to Page Stats (Pages link). There you see a breakdown of all pages the counter is on, and you see two links next to the urls: P and Ref. P will give you all paths with the referrer inside and Ref will give you a list of Traffic Sources for this page. Meaning how many hits to the page came from which referrer and also how many new visitors that cam to that page came from which referrer. This is still experimental and in beta! But it looks to be working. Also, in case anyone wants to know, PornGraph now has Week and Month stats for Referrers and such. Both total top stats for a Week or a Month but also, a comparision of all days of that week or month for a single referrer or the like. Just check it out, it kicks ass ;) __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-23-2003, 03:28 AM	#29
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	Haha, Pete.. You stole my idea for TGP galleries I was using. Naw.. old idea, but it's actually kinda a tough problem. Well, not so really, until you want to track clicks OUT to sponsors/partners/whatever. I should give you my old code, you can probably modify it for your needs. Does mostly what you want, but you'd have to tweak it some. I have a new "version" I've been pecking at here and there when I get sick of my other work that won't require cookies or anything, all server-side (but a bit more CPU intensive unfortunately) So yeah, with a bit of hacking I pretty much have what you want. it's certainly not drop-in and good to go though. -Phil __________________ Quality affordable hosting.