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AdultNex · 08-20-2003, 10:23 AM

I completely had forgotton about a previous hosting account I had with a specific host (I hadn't even touched the server in the last few months).

Here is the letter I received from them for not paying:

Quote:

Dear customer,

I am regret to inform you that we will format your server due to
non-payment of overdue invoices. We have shut down your server over the
last 24 hours and no action or payment has been made. Therefore, we will
cancel your account. Please note that once we format your server, all
the data will be lost.

Moreover, please make the outstanding payment as soon as possible;
otherwise, your details will be passed to collection agency. And all
collection administrative charges will be due under your account.

What exactly do they mean by the text outlined in bold?

freeadultcontent · 08-20-2003, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultNex
I completely had forgotton about a previous hosting account I had with a specific host (I hadn't even touched the server in the last few months).

Here is the letter I received from them for not paying:

What exactly do they mean by the text outlined in bold?

Pay your past due bill, or they will turn you over to collections and you will get fines added.

dougeetx · 08-20-2003, 10:27 AM

Fuck that! Come on over to the DarkSide! Checkout the sig! I'll make you a kick ass deal on a server!

Fu-Q · 08-20-2003, 10:27 AM

it means that they are going to let a collections agency handle it and you will be charged for the collection agency's fees

NoCarrier · 08-20-2003, 10:48 AM

Expect some freaky threatening phone calls pretty soon

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Introduction

Nothing reduces a business's cash flow like unpaid bills. Particularly in a small business, tracking down the guilty parties is both a financial and physical drain.

To recover owed money, many businesses turn to collection agencies. These organizations specialize in collecting payment from overdue accounts.

Most firms bring in collection agencies for debt that is about eight months old, although a few bring in agencies after only three months.

This guide is designed to give you the facts you need to hire a collection agency for your business. The various sections are listed in the box above. You can choose to read this guide from beginning to end, or jump directly to a section of interest.

How Agencies Work

Collection agencies can attempt to collect on bad debts in two ways:

By mail and phone

For larger debts, they will typically send letters and make phone calls to the delinquent account.

By mail only

Smaller debts may not justify the cost of phone calls, limiting the collection agency to simply sending threatening letters.

Choosing a Service

Choosing a collection service is tricky, since it's hard to predict a firm's success with delinquent accounts ahead of time. A few areas to investigate when choosing a collection service:

Method of collection

You should examine the letters that will be used and judge whether they will be effective with your customer base. Also ask about the training that telephone collectors receive to ensure they understand the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

This 1977 act requires that debt collectors treat debtors fairly by prohibiting certain methods of debt collection.

How the service will work with you

Be sure to find out:

how information about delinquent accounts will be transferred to the agency.

when collected funds will be forwarded.

what reports are provided detailing the collection progress and success rates.

how you can stop collections if you receive payment or credit an account.

How they handle skiptracing

This is particularly important when collecting from individuals. Skiptracing refers to how the firm finds debtors who have disappeared and can no longer be directly contacted. Agencies should have access to online search capabilities and telephone databases to help locate these debtors.

Reputation of the firm

Make sure to check references, particularly from clients that are in a similar business. Also find out whether the firm complies with state licensing or bonding laws.

Before Hiring an Agency

There are several actions you can take to reduce the amount owed to you before resorting to an agency.

Be careful when offering credit

Carefully check credit references of each new account and don't extend more credit than the firm can handle.

Explain transaction terms thoroughly

When extending credit, make sure that accounts know when you expect payment, and clearly detail any credits or penalties for early or late payment.

Follow up overdue accounts

Do not expect customers to police themselves; instead, make sure to promptly send statements and reminders of payment due dates.

Institute a series of overdue notice

You should schedule regular written and oral reminders before even considering a collection agency. This will not only help save money, but will also avoid the ill will that can be generated when using a third party to collect the funds.

Set an absolute due date and stick to it

As a final step, set an absolute due date before the account is turned over to a collection agency. Do not extend this date, but do give the debtor warning of this final payment date.

Pricing

Debt collection is usually done on a contingency basis. This means that the agency keeps a percentage of money that is collected from a debtor. Depending on the size of the business, commissions can range from 10% to 50% of the recovered amount. Other agencies require an upfront fee and then take a lower percentage of the recovered amount.

The advantage of contingency billing is that you do not pay for uncollected debts. However, some agencies will not offer contingency services for small debts. In these cases, you will typically pay a fixed fee for a series of letters or calls.

Buying Tips

Be thorough

When assigning a third party to collect an overdue account, provide them with all the information you have about the debtor, including an itemized breakdown of all contacts between your organization and the debtor's business or home.

Make sure the agency you choose is licensed

Some states require collection agencies to be licensed in their state before they can pursue debtors. Contact the American Collectors Association (612/926-6547) or a particular state's collection agency administrator for specific details on state requirements.

Get more than the P.O. box

To increase the agency's chances of tracking down an individual or business, always ask for the customer's physical address (even if you are sending the materials to a Post Office box), phone number and social security number. It can also help to work with a credit reporting agency. All of this information will be helpful in tracking down individuals even if they have closed their P.O. box or changed their address and phone number.

NBDesign · 08-20-2003, 10:50 AM

Pay your bills and you will not have these problems... do you need a loan?

Lane · 08-20-2003, 10:56 AM

collection agencies are out there to only scare you, they cant do shit except calling you every morning.

SpeakEasy · 08-20-2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultNex
I completely had forgotton about a previous hosting account I had with a specific host (I hadn't even touched the server in the last few months).

Here is the letter I received from them for not paying:

What exactly do they mean by the text outlined in bold?

It means they are going to try to collect the money you owe them. This can also have a negative impact on your credit.

-=HOAX=- · 08-20-2003, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
collection agencies are out there to only scare you, they cant do shit except calling you every morning.

Somewhere there is a list of things they cannot do too...and due to the fact that many people don't know their rights, they do them anyway. If you catch them doing this...its pretty much worth $2500 in the bank.

I know a guy who knew his rights, caught a collection agency in violation of his rights and they paid his debts for him rather than go to trial. I'll try and find the link for you.

Basically it governs what methods of contact they can employ and what they can and cannot say. If you start getting calls, screen them through your answering machine, note the time and date. Keep records of everything and you can make them go away and get your debt paid too boot.

fiveyes · 08-20-2003, 11:16 AM

Their tos probably has a termination clause that has to be followed when closing out an account. Though it sounds as if you just let it lapse and forgot about it, you can still be held liable for service up until the point that they finally shut down the account.

And, yes, you should go ahead and pay it since they could push the issue to the point it affected your credit rating.

-=HOAX=- · 08-20-2003, 11:20 AM

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2002/06/fdcpaar2002.htm

NBDesign · 08-20-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
collection agencies are out there to only scare you, they cant do shit except calling you every morning.

That is not true... They can ruin your credit, they can sue you in court as well.... I know because I have turned an account of mine into collections and since the client is still refusing to pay me... we are taking them to court... this has all been provided by my collection agency.

eatapeach · 08-20-2003, 11:36 AM

i'm still getting bills from prohosters 2 years after i ditched their shitty hosting.

after i replied to the first few bills after the cancellation i just stopped paying attention.

i still have the reply from prohosters acknowledging my original cancellation request, so i have no worries.

it's hard to imagine a company with unreliable hosting having an unreliable accounting office as well.

what are the odds?

08-20-2003, 10:27 AM	#3
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08-20-2003, 10:48 AM	#5
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Expect some freaky threatening phone calls pretty soon -------------------------------------------- Introduction Nothing reduces a business's cash flow like unpaid bills. Particularly in a small business, tracking down the guilty parties is both a financial and physical drain. To recover owed money, many businesses turn to collection agencies. These organizations specialize in collecting payment from overdue accounts. Most firms bring in collection agencies for debt that is about eight months old, although a few bring in agencies after only three months. This guide is designed to give you the facts you need to hire a collection agency for your business. The various sections are listed in the box above. You can choose to read this guide from beginning to end, or jump directly to a section of interest. How Agencies Work Collection agencies can attempt to collect on bad debts in two ways: By mail and phone For larger debts, they will typically send letters and make phone calls to the delinquent account. By mail only Smaller debts may not justify the cost of phone calls, limiting the collection agency to simply sending threatening letters. Choosing a Service Choosing a collection service is tricky, since it's hard to predict a firm's success with delinquent accounts ahead of time. A few areas to investigate when choosing a collection service: Method of collection You should examine the letters that will be used and judge whether they will be effective with your customer base. Also ask about the training that telephone collectors receive to ensure they understand the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. This 1977 act requires that debt collectors treat debtors fairly by prohibiting certain methods of debt collection. How the service will work with you Be sure to find out: how information about delinquent accounts will be transferred to the agency. when collected funds will be forwarded. what reports are provided detailing the collection progress and success rates. how you can stop collections if you receive payment or credit an account. How they handle skiptracing This is particularly important when collecting from individuals. Skiptracing refers to how the firm finds debtors who have disappeared and can no longer be directly contacted. Agencies should have access to online search capabilities and telephone databases to help locate these debtors. Reputation of the firm Make sure to check references, particularly from clients that are in a similar business. Also find out whether the firm complies with state licensing or bonding laws. Before Hiring an Agency There are several actions you can take to reduce the amount owed to you before resorting to an agency. Be careful when offering credit Carefully check credit references of each new account and don't extend more credit than the firm can handle. Explain transaction terms thoroughly When extending credit, make sure that accounts know when you expect payment, and clearly detail any credits or penalties for early or late payment. Follow up overdue accounts Do not expect customers to police themselves; instead, make sure to promptly send statements and reminders of payment due dates. Institute a series of overdue notice You should schedule regular written and oral reminders before even considering a collection agency. This will not only help save money, but will also avoid the ill will that can be generated when using a third party to collect the funds. Set an absolute due date and stick to it As a final step, set an absolute due date before the account is turned over to a collection agency. Do not extend this date, but do give the debtor warning of this final payment date. Pricing Debt collection is usually done on a contingency basis. This means that the agency keeps a percentage of money that is collected from a debtor. Depending on the size of the business, commissions can range from 10% to 50% of the recovered amount. Other agencies require an upfront fee and then take a lower percentage of the recovered amount. The advantage of contingency billing is that you do not pay for uncollected debts. However, some agencies will not offer contingency services for small debts. In these cases, you will typically pay a fixed fee for a series of letters or calls. Buying Tips Be thorough When assigning a third party to collect an overdue account, provide them with all the information you have about the debtor, including an itemized breakdown of all contacts between your organization and the debtor's business or home. Make sure the agency you choose is licensed Some states require collection agencies to be licensed in their state before they can pursue debtors. Contact the American Collectors Association (612/926-6547) or a particular state's collection agency administrator for specific details on state requirements. Get more than the P.O. box To increase the agency's chances of tracking down an individual or business, always ask for the customer's physical address (even if you are sending the materials to a Post Office box), phone number and social security number. It can also help to work with a credit reporting agency. All of this information will be helpful in tracking down individuals even if they have closed their P.O. box or changed their address and phone number. __________________

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08-20-2003, 11:16 AM	#10
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08-20-2003, 10:27 AM	#4
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08-20-2003, 11:20 AM	#11
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08-20-2003, 11:36 AM	#13
eatapeach Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: toto's doghouse Posts: 493	i'm still getting bills from prohosters 2 years after i ditched their shitty hosting. after i replied to the first few bills after the cancellation i just stopped paying attention. i still have the reply from prohosters acknowledging my original cancellation request, so i have no worries. it's hard to imagine a company with unreliable hosting having an unreliable accounting office as well. what are the odds?