Who else got fucked over by PlatinumBucks.com? - GoFuckYourself.com

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 03:51 PM

PlatinumBucks.com fucked us out of close to $1,500.00. They're CopperBucks.com in my eyes and they can burn in hell.

I tried to work a "win/win" where they would place us in their newsletter or something (so we can at least try to make the money back) but the assholes over there are ignoring us. They said, "Hey, your checks in the mail..." Two weeks later, "We're sorry, it's in the mail now..." Several months later, "FUCK OFF, WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU!"

We sent out a mailing for them and had a configuration setting wrong in new software that we were using. As a result, return emails were incorrect and it supposedly caused trouble at some ISP. They knew we didn't do it deliberately (our information is in the public domain) but they said (not literally), "Thanks for the cash asswipes now be a good sport and fuck off...".

I don't like to bring info like this to the boards but it's been many months now and I don't want anyone to get fucked over by these assholes like we were. If you're promoting them then you need to consider promoting someone else instead. You just might be the next guy who gets reamed up the ass by them too!

Hey Platinum Bucks....In the spirit of this board, GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

Penn

tical · 08-19-2003, 05:09 PM

AlxCds · 08-19-2003, 05:25 PM

it looks like it was your fault and now just want them to give your money back.

WiredGuy · 08-19-2003, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
PlatinumBucks.com fucked us out of close to $1,500.00.

We sent out a mailing for them and had a configuration setting wrong in new software that we were using. As a result, return emails were incorrect and it supposedly caused trouble at some ISP.

So you did a mailer for them and something about that mailer was misconfigured and you got complaints. By your explanation, you seem to state that the problem was on your end in that the mailer was not setup correctly. I don't see how PB fucked you as you claim they have, it seems the error was on your part.

WG

FlyingIguana · 08-19-2003, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

So you did a mailer for them and something about that mailer was misconfigured and you got complaints. By your explanation, you seem to state that the problem was on your end in that the mailer was not setup correctly. I don't see how PB fucked you as you claim they have, it seems the error was on your part.

WG

thats how i see it too

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

So you did a mailer for them and something about that mailer was misconfigured and you got complaints. By your explanation, you seem to state that the problem was on your end in that the mailer was not setup correctly. I don't see how PB fucked you as you claim they have, it seems the error was on your part.

WG

They got paid and we should have been paid as well. They didn't give the money back to the customers, did they? Furthermore, they knew we were mailing for them and they knew that the email program was misconfigured but they still didn't pay us.

That's NO EXCUSE to screw someone over like they did to us. Like I said, they can all burn in hell....

Penn

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 06:10 PM

Let me try to rephrase it and make it a bit clearer.

We mailed and promoted PlatinumBucks.com programs and they were well aware of this. We did over $3500.00 in conversions in a few days and they owed us $1500 (rounded up) for our commission or payout.

They received complaints from some ISP (not theirs) that the return emails were wrong and caused a problem at that ISP (not Platinum Bucks ISP). I told Platinum Tony that this could have been possible since this was a new mailer that we were using and he understood.

The bottom line is that we made them money and they owed us money. They used the complaints from the ISP (not their ISP) as an excuse not to pay us.

I hope this makes it a bit clearer.

Oh, and by the way, Platinum Tony

, Platinum Dave

and the rest of the Platinum family

Change the name to CopperBucks.com cause you guys lost your shine...To hell with you all.

Penn

Madball · 08-19-2003, 06:33 PM

Stick with guys that pay you even if you generate heat. Try Dollarmachine.

wargames · 08-19-2003, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
PlatinumBucks.com fucked us out of close to $1,500.00. They're CopperBucks.com in my eyes and they can burn in hell.

I tried to work a "win/win" where they would place us in their newsletter or something (so we can at least try to make the money back) but the assholes over there are ignoring us. They said, "Hey, your checks in the mail..." Two weeks later, "We're sorry, it's in the mail now..." Several months later, "FUCK OFF, WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU!"

We sent out a mailing for them and had a configuration setting wrong in new software that we were using. As a result, return emails were incorrect and it supposedly caused trouble at some ISP. They knew we didn't do it deliberately (our information is in the public domain) but they said (not literally), "Thanks for the cash asswipes now be a good sport and fuck off...".

I don't like to bring info like this to the boards but it's been many months now and I don't want anyone to get fucked over by these assholes like we were. If you're promoting them then you need to consider promoting someone else instead. You just might be the next guy who gets reamed up the ass by them too!

Hey Platinum Bucks....In the spirit of this board, GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

Penn

Thats pretty messed up.

Sly_RJ · 08-19-2003, 06:39 PM

So you sent out this "mailing" FOR them? Or did you just use them as the sponsor in the mailing?

WiredGuy · 08-19-2003, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
They got paid and we should have been paid as well. They didn't give the money back to the customers, did they? Furthermore, they knew we were mailing for them and they knew that the email program was misconfigured but they still didn't pay us.

That's NO EXCUSE to screw someone over like they did to us. Like I said, they can all burn in hell....

From what you wrote here, it seems to me you sent out some mailers, it generated some heat from a third party ISP (spam complaints?), and you made about $1500 in signups. Then Platinum Bucks did not pay you and from the impression I get here, you were probably terminated for spamming. In this case, you forfeit the signups you made and Platinum Bucks certainly gets to keep the money they charged from surfers. Seems to me you were terminated from their program for spam.

Either way, it's probably best you contact Albert or Tony in private since complaining about it here won't accomplish much.

WG

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
So you sent out this "mailing" FOR them? Or did you just use them as the sponsor in the mailing?

We mailed FOR them, they knew the mailing was to promote THEIR program and no ones elses. They didn't pay us to mail for them, we both agreed that we would promote their programs through mailing and we'd get $40 per join.

The pondscum screwed me and others I hear (just got a bunch of emails and ICQ's telling me they got fucked by PlatiumBucks.com as well). My advise to you, the reader, is to STAY FAR AWAY FROM PLATINUM BUCKS.COM. Although they have "Platinum" in their name and alot of bling-bling on their website, they are crooks and they don't pay, period. If you're promoting their programs, STOP. If they're on your website take them off. Bottom line, if you get fucked by them it's your own fault because you've been warned.

That's about all I have to say...Oh, I just forgot, PlatinumSucks.com

Kingfish · 08-19-2003, 06:51 PM

Go see any attorney. Even if you violated the terms they are not entitled to be unjustly enriched on your efforts and expenses.

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

From what you wrote here, it seems to me you sent out some mailers, it generated some heat from a third party ISP (spam complaints?), and you made about $1500 in signups. Then Platinum Bucks did not pay you and from the impression I get here, you were probably terminated for spamming. In this case, you forfeit the signups you made and Platinum Bucks certainly gets to keep the money they charged from surfers. Seems to me you were terminated from their program for spam.

Either way, it's probably best you contact Albert or Tony in private since complaining about it here won't accomplish much.

WG

PlatinumBucks (Tony and his crew) knew that we were mass mailing for them. It's not like they didn't know, we spoke in depth about this beforehand and tried to line them up with bullet proof hosting with a company that we were using.

They condone SPAM although they say they don't. I have ICQ conversations with Platinum Tony to prove it but I won't put that up here. And as for talking to those guys, talking to Tony is like talking to the back of a donkey's ass. It makes no sense and it wreaks like shit.

Penn

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kingfish
Go see any attorney. Even if you violated the terms they are not entitled to be unjustly enriched on your efforts and expenses.

It's not worth our time. They're already written off as a BAD DEBT invoice and we'll write that off during tax time.

Their name and credibility is horse shit and they're not even worthy of being in the same room as me. They're pond scum and cheaters. Maggots like that will soon screw themselves in the long run because the word will get around about them and they'll lose webmasters.

Nuff said.

Penn

WiredGuy · 08-19-2003, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
PlatinumBucks (Tony and his crew) knew that we were mass mailing for them. It's not like they didn't know, we spoke in depth about this beforehand and tried to line them up with bullet proof hosting with a company that we were using.

They condone SPAM although they say they don't. I have ICQ conversations with Platinum Tony to prove it but I won't put that up here.

So you were bulk-mailing and wanted to setup bullet proof hosting to send out their campaigns... Well clearly you spammed them in that case and I believe their actions of not paying you just proved they do NOT condone spam. Another spammer bites the dust.

WG

sextoyking · 08-19-2003, 07:02 PM

Dave and crew at Plat. Bucks have always paid us on time.

Never had a problem with them ever.

todd

Sly_RJ · 08-19-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Either way, it's probably best you contact Albert or Tony in private since complaining about it here won't accomplish much.

WG

Complaining on GFY gets more accomplished than one would think...

Anyway, if the mailing was pre-approved and you got the shaft because of extra "heat", that really blows. With spam, you have to know that there will be heat. Hope you get your problems solved...

Sly_RJ · 08-19-2003, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

So you were bulk-mailing and wanted to setup bullet proof hosting to send out their campaigns... Well clearly you spammed them in that case and I believe their actions of not paying you just proved they do NOT condone spam. Another spammer bites the dust.

WG

Have you even read this thread?

PornBroker · 08-19-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Another spammer bites the dust.

hahahahahaha

Obie Trice · 08-19-2003, 07:12 PM

I stopped a long time ago promoting those damn thieves.

J.R. · 08-19-2003, 07:17 PM

I have never had a problem with Platinum Bucks.

Dave and Tony are good people in my eyes.

I can understand your point. We have had similiar problems
with other sponsors related to 'spam' or bulk mailing.

We allow emailing if their using a 'clean' double opt
list , but we still can take some flack.

All it takes is a few emails, we don't cancel a persons account
solely for complaints but we do watch that closely.

If your looking for anyone to mail, we do pretty well.

hit me up if you'd like.
28222409

Theo · 08-19-2003, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Dave and crew at Plat. Bucks have always paid us on time.

Never had a problem with them ever.

todd

same here

Platinum Dave · 08-19-2003, 07:34 PM

Read this thread before I left the office. When it was empty.

Dont have time to read everyones response, thank you though if you just ignored this spammer.

1. Broke our terms and conditions for spam

- Sent bulk email to Platinum Bucks (WITHOUT) a remove link. We accepted it as a mistake.

- Mailed us again with another remove link and almost had our host shut us down. (ask sweet T about him from nat net)

Sorry Platinum Bucks does not accept bulk email, and if you choose to bulk email us your account will be terminated without pay.

-------------

On a side note, everyone should just ignore people that come to chat boards and bitch about sponsors. Do you really think we are going to shut down accounts that are following terms and sending traffic to our program.

Industry is competitive enough, we like traffic.

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 07:37 PM

An excerpt of my dialogue with Platinum Tony on ICQ.

Platinum 5/12/200 1:31 PM There are alot of issues here with you Mailing
!

what are you doing there exactly ??
there are fake from Addy's on the Mailing
they are Bouncing back alot

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:32 PM Bouncing back to whom?

Platinum 5/12/200 1:33 PM Are they coming back to you there ?

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:33 PM no

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:35 PM Perhaps there's something wrong with a setting
in the mailing program, we'll check it.

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:35 PM Are you getting complaints?

Platinum 5/12/200 1:37 PM We have had some here ,yes
They want to shut the Account down , but i
stopped them so i could talk to you

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:38 PM I don't understand. Why would you guys want to
shut down the account?

Platinum 5/12/200 1:39 PM Too much issues
with Complaints and Fake from addresses
our Hosts have gotten serious complaints

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:42 PM We just stopped the mailings. We're going to
look into the from addresses issue since we
might have a setting configured incorrectly.

Platinum 5/12/200 1:43 PM Thats cool
thanks bro

Platinum 5/12/200 1:43 PM get back to me

Penn E. 5/12/200 1:45 PM Are they going to not pay us?

Platinum 5/12/200 1:46 PM No worries !
you will get paid for everything you have sent
to us

Just goes to show you their is worth a bottle of piss and not a drop more.

Penn

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Read this thread before I left the office. When it was empty.

Dont have time to read everyones response, thank you though if you just ignored this spammer.

1. Broke our terms and conditions for spam

- Sent bulk email to Platinum Bucks (WITHOUT) a remove link. We accepted it as a mistake.

- Mailed us again with another remove link and almost had our host shut us down. (ask sweet T about him from nat net)

Sorry Platinum Bucks does not accept bulk email, and if you choose to bulk email us your account will be terminated without pay.

-------------

On a side note, everyone should just ignore people that come to chat boards and bitch about sponsors. Do you really think we are going to shut down accounts that are following terms and sending traffic to our program.

Industry is competitive enough, we like traffic.

More proof that you're full of shit Dave. More dialogue with Platinum Bucks!

Penn E. 4/8/2003 2:53 PM Hey Tony, Cheeba said that Platinum Becky
wanted us to spam you guys. Is that true?

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:00 PM Hey bro

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:01 PM How are you ?

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:01 PM Excellent, thanks!

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:02 PM Cool
Sorry for not getting back to you
I was busy with the Show preparations !

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:02 PM No problem. Take your time, when you're ready,
let me know.

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:03 PM Thanks man
Sounds good

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:11 PM Cheeba mentioned that you're interested in
having us mail for you. Who do I need to talk
to over there about this?

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:18 PM Yeah i always liked Cheeba

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:18 PM Talk to me
I take care of that here

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:19 PM We need a creative(s) to begin with. How much
per signup? (non-recurring)

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:20 PM $40 per Join
I can have the Creative over to you right away

where should i send it ?

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:20 PM penneless @ UCumSeeMe.com

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:20 PM great thanks

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:21 PM How much are you Mailing ?

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:21 PM What Account are you using ?

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:21 PM 5+ Million per day. Buying new servers now to
increase volume.

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:21 PM Thats awesome !

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:22 PM Our Top site is Kicking Ass

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:22 PM www.lesbianlessons.com/

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:22 PM Are you guys ok with any "potential"
complaints?

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:24 PM Yeah well let me know now how many we are
talking about ....a few , some, Alot ?

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:24 PM Our last mailing (yesterday) was 200
complaints.

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:24 PM I can open Multiple Accounts for you to spead
the Traffic

Platinum 4/8/2003 3:25 PM Thats alot for us here !
Can you Mail a bit less or slow the Process ?

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:25 PM Ok. I'll await the account info and creatives
per email.

Penn E. 4/8/2003 3:25 PM thanks!

Sly_RJ · 08-19-2003, 07:49 PM

Ok, so you spammed them incorrectly. You were warned and saved. Then you did it again?

Just trying to get the story down here... oh, and don't just post logs from that long ago. There have obviously been logs since then. You're only telling half the story...

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Ok, so you spammed them incorrectly. You were warned and saved. Then you did it again?

Just trying to get the story down here... oh, and don't just post logs from that long ago. There have obviously been logs since then. You're only telling half the story...

No, we were warned and NOT PAID, even though Tony gave his word that we would get paid.

You're right, there have been more post in the logs since then. I don't think you want to ready me constantly asking him where's our money and him lying to me. I have four months of me saying, "Hey, where's our money?" I don't think you want to read them, it just might destroy the nanometer of credibility that PlatinumSucks.com has left in webmasters eyes.

This will be my last post to this thread because I really just wanted to tell everyone about my encounter and warn those that have yet to be fucked by them. I really have to get back to making some money now and it's just a complete waste of my time to continue discussing these assholes.

Platinum Bucks, you can kiss my....

High Quality · 08-19-2003, 08:00 PM

Penn, you interested in mailing for a recurring sponsor?

integrated · 08-19-2003, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Ok, so you spammed them incorrectly. You were warned and saved. Then you did it again?

Just trying to get the story down here... oh, and don't just post logs from that long ago. There have obviously been logs since then. You're only telling half the story...

bullshit he was talking to them they knew he was spamming if the icq logs are correct he should get paid.

WicKed NinJas · 08-19-2003, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less

This will be my last post to this thread because I really just wanted to tell everyone about my encounter and warn those that have yet to be fucked by them. I really have to get back to making some money now and it's just a complete waste of my time to continue discussing these assholes.

dude you should know by now not to ever say that "This is my last post cause soemoen is gonna say something about you and you will reply...lol

BradShaw · 08-19-2003, 08:03 PM

Was it a KB list?

Dave and crew are top notch people. We do alot of biz, and I plan on doing alot more.

WiredGuy · 08-19-2003, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
I really have to get back to making some money now and it's just a complete waste of my time to continue discussing these assholes.

Would you remind removing me from your mailing lists, I get your "newsletter" every 3 - 4 days and I never opted-in for it.

WG

Madball · 08-19-2003, 08:05 PM

Dude did you email their URLs directly and 200 complaints hit their host Nat-Net same day? ROFL!!!!!!!

jimmyf · 08-19-2003, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Have you even read this thread?

don't think he did nor did others. if it's true not good, what the person that did the mailing. Hard to understand for just $1,500.00 bucks though

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WicKed NinJas

dude you should know by now not to ever say that "This is my last post cause soemoen is gonna say something about you and you will reply...lol

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Madball
Dude did you email their URLs directly and 200 complaints hit their host Nat-Net same day? ROFL!!!!!!!

"Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!"
- The Godfather

We sent to the landing page on our own iron clad BP host to absord complaints.

Kevlar · 08-19-2003, 08:22 PM

That sucks, I've had sponsors get greedy on me too after saying they want my spam traffic.

liquidmoe · 08-19-2003, 08:32 PM

Hope someone learned a lesson here. Without placing blame on anyone kind of shows you the importance of having an agreement completely worked out. Running a mail campaign, legit or not, will always generate some amount of complaints both parties should have clearly addressed that and determined what was acceptable. Usually you can deal with people on good faith, but if you cant get it also in writing so there is nothing to debate. Just point at the facts and you're done.

DeanCapture · 08-19-2003, 08:38 PM

I hope all you fucking spammers kill each other

d*

Serge_Oprano · 08-19-2003, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeanCapture
I hope all you fucking spammers kill each other

d*

...and take Platinum Dave' shaver with you

greentea · 08-19-2003, 08:57 PM

And the moral of the story is -----> ?

DeanCapture · 08-19-2003, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

...and take Platinum Dave' shaver with you

Yea....what he said

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

...and take Platinum Dave' shaver with you

I think this would go nicely with their logo...

Pornkings · 08-19-2003, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
And the moral of the story is -----> ?

People still open spam and join. LOL

SleazyDream · 08-19-2003, 09:14 PM

platnuim bucks ALWAYS paid me, and always on time.
I love platnuim bucks.

- Dave's kinda sexy too. wink wink XXOO

Penn E. Less · 08-19-2003, 09:16 PM

I just bought some of this stuff for the low cost of only $19.95. I'll sprinkle some on the thieves at Platinum Bucks when I see them at the next Internext convention! When you hold a fluoresecent light next to them and they glow, you'll know why

bigdog · 08-19-2003, 09:30 PM

the list that you sent traffic to PB was it a harvested list or an adult site list?

Platinum Dan · 08-19-2003, 10:12 PM

You fucking amateur spammer!

This happened 4 month ago (check the ICQ he posted) ... what are you bored and decided to bash Platinum Bucks with your bullshit!

Platinum Bucks has had hundreds of mailers send traffic to us ... and yes we have had to ask many to stop mailing -- AND PAID EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Now ... when it comes to pure amateur spammers ... that is a different story.

This Penn E Less sent a mailer and got a bunch of heat ... oh he said I am sorry it was because I did not have a remove link ... I made a mistake. ( oh by the way forgive me if I get some any of my facts wrong .. is was many months ago that this incident took place)

I continue ....

So we let Penn E Less mail again ... and then the mother fucking load of spam complaints came in.

A down stream provider (aka backbone provider) told our host to shut us down. The complaints were in the HUNDREDS!!!!!!!

Because we were in the spotlight to the spam watchdogs ... we had to lay low and tell our legit mailers to cool it. We had to let the spotlight lift from us.

This amatuer fuck damaged our program .... and cost us real money.

I do not make the decision not to pay an affiliate mailer lightly ... but purely amateur irresponsible actions like his ... I stand by my decision.

And hey ... the fact that Penn E Less is bashing us months later proves how immature and petty the amateur spammer is.

DeanCapture · 08-19-2003, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Platinum Dan
This amatuer fuck damaged our program .... and cost us real money.

Hahahahahah - you damanged your own program by sleeping with spammers!

08-19-2003, 03:51 PM	#1
Penn E. Less Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 367	Who else got fucked over by PlatinumBucks.com? PlatinumBucks.com fucked us out of close to $1,500.00. They're CopperBucks.com in my eyes and they can burn in hell. I tried to work a "win/win" where they would place us in their newsletter or something (so we can at least try to make the money back) but the assholes over there are ignoring us. They said, "Hey, your checks in the mail..." Two weeks later, "We're sorry, it's in the mail now..." Several months later, "FUCK OFF, WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU!" We sent out a mailing for them and had a configuration setting wrong in new software that we were using. As a result, return emails were incorrect and it supposedly caused trouble at some ISP. They knew we didn't do it deliberately (our information is in the public domain) but they said (not literally), "Thanks for the cash asswipes now be a good sport and fuck off...". I don't like to bring info like this to the boards but it's been many months now and I don't want anyone to get fucked over by these assholes like we were. If you're promoting them then you need to consider promoting someone else instead. You just might be the next guy who gets reamed up the ass by them too! Hey Platinum Bucks....In the spirit of this board, GO FUCK YOURSELVES! Penn __________________ <br><a href="http://marketing.ucumseeme.com/dat.shtml"><img src="http://marketing.UCumSeeMe.com/images/ucsmm2_120x60.jpg"></a><br> Click the button above!<br> ICQ# 169177761

08-19-2003, 05:09 PM	#2
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	__________________ 112.020.756

08-19-2003, 06:10 PM	#7
Penn E. Less Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 367	Let me try to rephrase it and make it a bit clearer. We mailed and promoted PlatinumBucks.com programs and they were well aware of this. We did over $3500.00 in conversions in a few days and they owed us $1500 (rounded up) for our commission or payout. They received complaints from some ISP (not theirs) that the return emails were wrong and caused a problem at that ISP (not Platinum Bucks ISP). I told Platinum Tony that this could have been possible since this was a new mailer that we were using and he understood. The bottom line is that we made them money and they owed us money. They used the complaints from the ISP (not their ISP) as an excuse not to pay us. I hope this makes it a bit clearer. Oh, and by the way, Platinum Tony , Platinum Dave and the rest of the Platinum family Change the name to CopperBucks.com cause you guys lost your shine...To hell with you all. Penn __________________ <br><a href="http://marketing.ucumseeme.com/dat.shtml"><img src="http://marketing.UCumSeeMe.com/images/ucsmm2_120x60.jpg"></a><br> Click the button above!<br> ICQ# 169177761

08-19-2003, 06:39 PM	#10
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08-19-2003, 07:02 PM	#17
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Dave and crew at Plat. Bucks have always paid us on time. Never had a problem with them ever. todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

08-19-2003, 05:25 PM	#3
AlxCds Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 95	it looks like it was your fault and now just want them to give your money back.

08-19-2003, 06:33 PM	#8
Madball Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 748	Stick with guys that pay you even if you generate heat. Try Dollarmachine.

08-19-2003, 06:51 PM	#13
Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	Go see any attorney. Even if you violated the terms they are not entitled to be unjustly enriched on your efforts and expenses.

08-19-2003, 07:12 PM	#21
Obie Trice So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 205	I stopped a long time ago promoting those damn thieves.

08-19-2003, 07:17 PM	#22
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	I have never had a problem with Platinum Bucks. Dave and Tony are good people in my eyes. I can understand your point. We have had similiar problems with other sponsors related to 'spam' or bulk mailing. We allow emailing if their using a 'clean' double opt list , but we still can take some flack. All it takes is a few emails, we don't cancel a persons account solely for complaints but we do watch that closely. If your looking for anyone to mail, we do pretty well. hit me up if you'd like. 28222409

08-19-2003, 07:34 PM	#24
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	Read this thread before I left the office. When it was empty. Dont have time to read everyones response, thank you though if you just ignored this spammer. 1. Broke our terms and conditions for spam - Sent bulk email to Platinum Bucks (WITHOUT) a remove link. We accepted it as a mistake. - Mailed us again with another remove link and almost had our host shut us down. (ask sweet T about him from nat net) Sorry Platinum Bucks does not accept bulk email, and if you choose to bulk email us your account will be terminated without pay. ------------- On a side note, everyone should just ignore people that come to chat boards and bitch about sponsors. Do you really think we are going to shut down accounts that are following terms and sending traffic to our program. Industry is competitive enough, we like traffic. __________________ Check out Adult Rental - Only Pay Per Signup VOD!

08-19-2003, 07:49 PM	#27
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Ok, so you spammed them incorrectly. You were warned and saved. Then you did it again? Just trying to get the story down here... oh, and don't just post logs from that long ago. There have obviously been logs since then. You're only telling half the story... __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

08-19-2003, 08:00 PM	#29
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	Penn, you interested in mailing for a recurring sponsor? __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

08-19-2003, 08:03 PM	#32
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Was it a KB list? Dave and crew are top notch people. We do alot of biz, and I plan on doing alot more. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

08-19-2003, 08:05 PM	#34
Madball Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 748	Dude did you email their URLs directly and 200 complaints hit their host Nat-Net same day? ROFL!!!!!!!

08-19-2003, 08:22 PM	#38
Kevlar Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 309	That sucks, I've had sponsors get greedy on me too after saying they want my spam traffic. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

08-19-2003, 08:32 PM	#39
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	Hope someone learned a lesson here. Without placing blame on anyone kind of shows you the importance of having an agreement completely worked out. Running a mail campaign, legit or not, will always generate some amount of complaints both parties should have clearly addressed that and determined what was acceptable. Usually you can deal with people on good faith, but if you cant get it also in writing so there is nothing to debate. Just point at the facts and you're done.

08-19-2003, 08:38 PM	#40
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	I hope all you fucking spammers kill each other d* __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

08-19-2003, 08:57 PM	#42
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	And the moral of the story is -----> ?

08-19-2003, 09:14 PM	#46
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	platnuim bucks ALWAYS paid me, and always on time. I love platnuim bucks. - Dave's kinda sexy too. wink wink XXOO __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

08-19-2003, 09:16 PM	#47
Penn E. Less Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 367	I just bought some of this stuff for the low cost of only $19.95. I'll sprinkle some on the thieves at Platinum Bucks when I see them at the next Internext convention! When you hold a fluoresecent light next to them and they glow, you'll know why __________________ <br><a href="http://marketing.ucumseeme.com/dat.shtml"><img src="http://marketing.UCumSeeMe.com/images/ucsmm2_120x60.jpg"></a><br> Click the button above!<br> ICQ# 169177761

08-19-2003, 09:30 PM	#48
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	the list that you sent traffic to PB was it a harvested list or an adult site list?

08-19-2003, 10:12 PM	#49
Platinum Dan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 38	You fucking amateur spammer! This happened 4 month ago (check the ICQ he posted) ... what are you bored and decided to bash Platinum Bucks with your bullshit! Platinum Bucks has had hundreds of mailers send traffic to us ... and yes we have had to ask many to stop mailing -- AND PAID EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM! Now ... when it comes to pure amateur spammers ... that is a different story. This Penn E Less sent a mailer and got a bunch of heat ... oh he said I am sorry it was because I did not have a remove link ... I made a mistake. ( oh by the way forgive me if I get some any of my facts wrong .. is was many months ago that this incident took place) I continue .... So we let Penn E Less mail again ... and then the mother fucking load of spam complaints came in. A down stream provider (aka backbone provider) told our host to shut us down. The complaints were in the HUNDREDS!!!!!!! Because we were in the spotlight to the spam watchdogs ... we had to lay low and tell our legit mailers to cool it. We had to let the spotlight lift from us. This amatuer fuck damaged our program .... and cost us real money. I do not make the decision not to pay an affiliate mailer lightly ... but purely amateur irresponsible actions like his ... I stand by my decision. And hey ... the fact that Penn E Less is bashing us months later proves how immature and petty the amateur spammer is. __________________ Platinum Dan $40.00 a signup, 80% Revenue Share, Earn Platinum Rewards points with each signup.