Yeh ok so I'm guilty of cutting down a lot of trees.

:1orglaugh

Pic is half way down the thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=165446

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Thats a beautiful house dude !

That is fucking beautiful. I want.

You are comparing apples to oranges... Have you ever heard roger rabiit say... "Please, don't eat me kind sir".

At least when the got milk ad comes on it doesnt suggest children should "drink beer".

HAHAHAHA

Drink beer, not milk! - One of peta's milk sucks campaigns.

Summary of your blob of text:

Incoherent, irrelevant babble, starting with a false claim. (animals now depend on humans? total and utter bullshit) The rest comes down to "If you aren't perfect, it is wrong to try and change the world for the better". Following that logic, society shouldn't punish murderers and such.

Naturalistic fallacy, mixed with your earlier flawed logic.

Nice combo of two unproven claims and some very simle thinking.

Yeah nice house... How do you think those tree's feel? All couped up with a "cage" fence around the yard. How sad.

Or what about those bushes. Dontcha think they might want to get up and rome free from time to time?


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So the ability to speak makes all the difference? In other words, eating babies is good?

The point of the slavery comparison is that the PETA believe that animals should have the same rights as humans. So, <b>for them</b> it's exactly the same thing.

And what's your point with the example from the milk sucks campaign? Do you really fail to get the real message in it?

Don´t know.. but i´m sure it would smell appetizing

http://daha.best.vwh.net/boiled/Art/carcan6.jpg

Your making the same ignorant statements based on morals instead of facts. Just like peta. You sir, are not getting the message.

If the roles were reversed and cows were eating us, do you think there'd be a PETA protecting us? No because cows are inherently evil. Everybody knows that.

Fucking idiots: the lion eats the deer, as simple as that.... The strongger survives, that's nature.... Same rights my ass.....

Because of this thread my dinner is going to be ONLY STEAK, 1 POUND OF MEAT!! :BangBang: :BangBang: :ak47:

i wrote a email to them a month ago with no response:

I find your billboards offensive and very disturbing. I understand the point you?re trying to make, however you should not force those graphic and violent images to be viewed by my children. At least KFC does it behind closed doors. However your campaign isn?t about the children, but only about your beliefs ? just another cult forcing their agenda and potentially damaging campaigns on our future ? our children. Think of the children!

no response, just a auto gen email thanking me for my support, the fuckers.

well here's to a steak and a cold beer, i'm out

Punk world......Do really think that animals in the US can just live as they were 100 years ago ? It takes a certain amount of natural habitat to sustain each animal. We have taken the habitat to build houses and businesses. It is gone. Why do you think the numbers have dwindled ? Do you have any idea what kind catastrophic death in wildlife we would have if the Fish and Game stopped feeding the herds during the harsh winters ? Where would the migrating water fowl stop to rest and feed on there journey south, if we did not preserve wetlands ? You are arguing my points, for that I am grateful. I am not arguing the need for the protection of animals and habitat. What I am saying is that these people do nothing to help the cause. I am totally down for repairing the damage caused by people being people. That is why I donate to organiztions like the Ducks Unlimited and The Rocky Mountain Elks foundation. These people fight to preserve nature and its animals. As far as your "If you aren't perfect, it is wrong to try and change the world for the better". statement. That is what you do not understand about these groups. You seem to have lost focus. This is debate on whether these groups are worth a shit or not. Not whether we should protect our resoucres. You are describing the very core of there ideology. It is an all or nothing attitude. When you side with the fanatics you must walk the walk, TO THE LETTER, those are there rules.

www.ManBeef.com !

Fuck PETA, I would eat them too if I could catch them. They are just cowards, and have nothing better to do then try and dictate what everyone should and shouldn't do!!!

i'm with fucko.

now back to the steak and beer, steak med rare please (live in texas to long)

its ok to kill and eat animals:

http://go.stileproject.com/?v=kitty.mpg

phpslave,

I and gutting a cow now, with a rusty fork. I will cut you off a flank!!! :thumbsup

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

Anybody with half a brain already knows peta is a bunch of brainwashed nutcases. You just can't take those types seriously.

For those that actually believe that peta crap I'll ask some questions that were already asked in this thread but not yet answered.

Are humans animals? Do some animals eat other animals? Should all animals that eat other animals be stopped from doing so? Should the human animal be the only animal stopped from eating other animals? If so why? If one animal kills another animal should the murderer animal be charged with murder? Does it have the right to a fair trial by a jury of it's animal peers?

Those people are such idiots.

Great questions!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure you see the problematic outcome of such reasoning, namely that it would lead to the conclusion that nothing should be done against humans who kill other humans.

So basicaly you "have no comment"........

LOL

How does such a boring thread get so many posts? (Mine included?)

I owe it to how good Headless looks in nylons. :1orglaugh

Damn that's some FOUL shit!! Let me go fire up this grill and cook these porkchops....

You seem to be missing some points. First of all, nobody says animals should live like they did 100 years ago. Things change, there is nothing you can do against that. But how does that make it good to kill animals?
Nobody says preserving wetlands isn't good either. However, does that mean you can't try and change the world for the better in other ways as well?

Also, where did those "rules" suddenly come from? Especially since they go directly against the rules of argumentation.
By the logic of your rules, someone who's against violence is not allowed to kick the crap out of someone who punches him in the face.

These groups have a significant influence on society, and because of that they are worth quite a bit more than a shit.



(btw, I am not an environmentalist at all. I like large steaks, wear leather boots, have a leather coat, like things like fishing and hunting and am sitting on a wooden chair. It's not that I agree with the PETA, it's that I find the arguments being tossed around in here rather bad. There are some good arguments that can be used against environmentalist groups, none of which have yet been used in this thread)

Drav, you just don't have the rico swaaaaaaave in you like me...

You missed it again?

Why not try answering the questions slappy?

Instead of dodging them.

No. That would be the outcome of the reasoning of those who think all animals (humans included) should have equal rights, since charging an animal (humans not included) with murder and giving it a fair trial by a jury of it's animal peers would be impossible.

I was wondering who was in you. :drinkup

I'm a strong supporter of People Eating Tasty Animals. Especially puppies and kittens since pigs are much more intelligent. After all, we should base our eating habits on which animals are the smartest not on which are the cutest and cudliest, right?

http://www.peta.de/stars/sophie_800.jpg

fuck she looks so hot in this pic. damn.. shes my dreamgirl.. :-s

Lol.... I'm not the one who believes and defends this PETA bs.......

Humans are omnivores. People like PETA members and supporters need to stop pretending we aren't and need to remember what it is that we truly are.

When are we going to have PETPV? People for Ethical Treatment of Plants and Vegetables.

Sustainability and minimizing cruelty are the compromises here.

No group will not stop everyone in the world from eating animals, or using animal products, survival of the fittest is still the law of the land as it has been since the beginning of life on earth.

I think a lot of you are missing one major point. It seems to me that a major part of the focus of PETA and other animal rights orginizations is how the animals are treated while they are still living. Sure, they push veganism, but that isn't their only focus. As for myself, I like to eat meat and dairy. I wear leather and wool. I don't think any animal rights group is going to change my mind on that.

However, seeing the way most of these animals are raised and treated, whether for food, clothing or entertainment, is extremely disturbing. I, for one, would love to see some regulations imposed on the "farms" that raise these animals, and have active inspectors who can legally issue fines (or worse) for the inhumane abuse that goes on every day in these factories.

I have no problem when somebody wants to go out and shoot a deer, provided they do it quickly and humanely, and as long as they eat what they kill. However, I would have serious issues if that same person were to catch (or raise) a deer, chain it to the ground so it can't move or even stand up, expose it to near-freezing temperatures, starve it, deprive it of water, make it lay in it's own shit, and allow it to live with severe infections and diseases without any treatment. The best day of that deer's miserable life would be the day the person stuffs it into a crate half it's size and drives it to the butcher shop. And all that just so the person can enjoy a few tasty meals. That's the equivalent of what a lot of these animals go through, and that alone is enough to make me want to stop eating meat.

The farms do have inspectors and can issue fines and even close down the farm.
The thing is, it's all based on numbers and percentages.

When a photographer goes through and finds *one* pig laying in the aisle for disposal, it makes for a nice heart-wrenching shot.
But the truth of the matter is that thousands upon thousands of pigs are being raised at that farm, and *one* lying in the aisle for an hour waiting for the attendant to get done filling the troths in that building does not a violation make.

There are limits - how many animals can be in each pen, how many dead animals can be in each building (because yes, *gasp*, animals DO kill each other while we're not watching), the length of time between discovery of and removal of a dead animal, etc.

One animal in an aisle for an hour when you're tending to 30,000 pigs and filling 3,000 troths is probably considered 'acceptable'.

Also the PETA and similar folks talk about how these animals are killed without euthanasia, etc; and how only stun guns are used.
That's because these are animals being raised for food; injecting them with euthanasia directly prior to killing them would leave the drug in the body, which would then be passed on to the consumer.

There are a *lot* of people to feed in this country, and there are a *lot* of animals needed to do so. If someone can come up with a more humane way of processing tens of thousands of animals at a time without endangering the humans that will be handling those animals and the ones who will be consuming the meat from those animals, they should speak up.

PETA et al likes to conveniently ignore things like that, and focus only (for example) on the one pig laying in the aisle when there are thousands of healthy pigs in the same building.

You do have a point. The people at PETA and others show us only what they want us to see. However, the *one* pig out of 30,000 is not exactly accurate. My boyfriend's best friend worked at a chicken "farm" in Iowa, and his only job there was to dispose of the unacceptable chickens. He said that EVERY DAY he picked out 100+ chickens and threw them away, many of them still alive, but not good enough to be sold for food. They were tossed into a pile with thousands of other dead and rotting chickens, and left there to die. A lot of the chickens had to be "pried" off the wire cages because they were squeezed so tight into such a tiny living space. He said at first he couln't stand doing that- killing innocent animals like that, but it only took a couple of weeks before the animals were not animals to him anymore. They were just objects, and it was just a job, and that's where the problem lies in my opinion.

All I know is that if one of my cats were treated in the way most of these "farm" animals are, I would vomit for days, cry for weeks, and have nightmares for years to come.