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Confirmed - Blackout Caused By Canadians
yep, it's been confirmed, the Great Blackout of 2003 is Canada's fault. It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba. Probably another one of them French speaking provinces they got up there eh?
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - A failure to contain problems with three transmission lines in northern Ohio just south of Cleveland was the likely trigger of the nation's biggest power blackout, a leading investigator said Saturday. Experts are working to understand why the local line disruptions, some of which occurred an hour before the blackout reached its peak, were not isolated, allowing a cascade of power system shutdowns stretching from Michigan to New York City and into Canada. "We are fairly certain at this time that the disturbance started in Ohio," Michehl Gent, head of the North American Electric Reliability Council, said in a statement. "We are now trying to determine why the situation was not brought under control after three transmission lines went out of service." Gent said the transmission system was designed to isolate such problems and suggested that human error might have been involved in not containing the situation. "The system has been designed and rules have been created to prevent this escalation and cascading. It should have stopped," said Gent in a telephone conference call. Later, in a statement suggesting human failings for the events last Thursday, Gent said in the future "system operators ... will be extremely vigilant" when local transmission problems arise. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites), who is co-chair of a U.S.-Canadian task force that will look into the cause of the blackout, said it's still too early to pinpoint a cause. "We're not going to prejudge where the problem is," Abraham told reporters in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday where he met with the governors of New York and New Jersey to discuss the blackout. "We're also not going to prematurely leap to conclusions." Abraham said the task force is putting together investigative teams that will include experts from the government's research laboratories as well as private resources, to find out what caused the power grid breakdown and recommend actions to prevent a repeat. Gent did not identify specifically the three power line failures that have become the focus of the NERC investigation. But other council officials said they were among five reported transmission failures in the Cleveland area during a period of just over leading up to the blackout peak Thursday afternoon. According to NERC, the first report came in at 3:06 p.m. EDT on Thursday and involved a 345-volt line that had "tripped" ? or gone off line. That was followed by reports on other lines failing at 3:32 p.m., 3:41 p.m., 3:46 p.m. and 4:06 p.m. Two minutes later, according to the NERC summary, "power swings (were) noted in Canada and the U.S." and three minutes after that power disruptions hit across eight states. The transmission system in northern Ohio is operated by FirstEnergy Corp., based in Akron, Ohio. The company has declined to comment on the investigation. "Those reviews have not even come close to being completed and we're not going to speculate," FirstEnergy spokeswoman Kristen Baird said Saturday before Gent's announcement. "It appears the train left the tracks in Ohio but we don't know who's responsible," said Alan Schriber, chairman of the Public Utilities Commission (news - web sites) of Ohio. Gent said he is confident the specific reason for the failures ? and who is responsible ? will be learned, but that it could take many weeks. Among the things yet to be determined is the relationship between lines tripping in Ohio and the unusual power swings that were observed in lines leaving Michigan and going into Canada and then back again, according to investigators. There are more than 10,000 pages of data, including automatically generated logs on power flows over transmission lines, that need to be closely examined, said Gent. Complicating the matter, he said, is that at the time of the power breakdown "events were coming in so fast and furious that (some reports) ... weren't even being logged in a timely way." Nonetheless, Gent said he is convinced that no data was lost and whatever was not recorded will be recovered. "We will get to the bottom of this," he said.
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Yup and the finger pointing continues
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"province of Ohio" - Yep, it's offical - you are a mutt
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last time i was school ohio wasnt in canada. keep pointing.
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ahahaha....... Maybee he should use the [Sarcasm] Tags next time.
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Mutt,
see the OH between the IN (Illinois) and the PA (Pensylvania) - That's Ohio, and it's in US. ![]()
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Are people actually lame enough to be pointing fingers about this? Who cares if it started here in Cleveland or somewhere else?
Here's a quick fact for you: It doesn't matter where the blackout started because in order for it to spread the way it did, everyone's backup and emergency systems had to fail. The basic truth is that nobody was prepared for this. I hope this incident serves as a wakeup call for the people who administer the utilities. SpaceAce |
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Next time you should have a disclaimer: "This post is riddled with sarcasm. I know Ohio is in the USA."
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Personally if the Federal Government lifts a damn finger and gives even a penny of Federal funding to any of the effected states, or places a cap on the maximum a company may charge those states for extra power, there will be a friggen riot in California if not a fucking civil war. Let those states take it up the ass, and bail themselves out. BTW sure blame Canada, Bush has problems with their new drug reform laws and hates them. This is just an attempt to get the people hostile about it. |
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I can't decide what's funnier, his original sarcasm or the fact that some people actually thought he was serious![]()
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Damn Mutt...
Even I know that - And I'm from Europe... ![]()
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i think Mutt was just joking!
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I still say the world was invaded by mutant chipmonks and we're all doomed to an existance filled with slavery to the furry little critters.
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The reactions in this thread are almost as bad as the reactions I received when I suggested Easton was probably just carrying around sugar packets to help manage his diabetes.
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i thought he was serious
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brainless americans are common
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Here in Quebec, we didn't have problem. Viva el Hydro Quebec!
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lol @ this whole thread
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I know how Dennis Miller feels looking out at the audience and seeing half the seats filled with dopes laughing but not having a half a clue why.
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I knew it was our fault....
And I always thought that Ohio should separate from Canada... they have no oil!
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I don't know what's funnier. The initial post, or the morons that are pointing out mutt's "error."
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A thread like this makes GFY one of the funniest place on the web...GFY Rocks! And so do Canadians
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Wow, it looks like i copied that guy's post almost exactly. Great minds..
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Damn, I thought we had moved Ohio between the BC and Alberta... guess that didn't go through somehow:-(
And I agree with directfiesta, they should sepa, we have no need for a province with no oil ![]()
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it was charlo
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"likely trigger" and "still investigating" != "confirmed"
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Eh? where did that phrase originate?
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