Justice Department: "the pornography industry is now on notice"

[MrPopup]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20030811a.html

Obscenity laws were vigorously enforced between 1987 and 1993, Morality in Media stated in a press release, but prosecutions were almost non-existent during the Clinton administration and the first two years of the current Bush administration.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20030811a.html

[sodriveme]

Wait, so they are prosecuting someone, on the basis, that an adult ordered a product from another adult business, and they are getting in trouble for it? that is ludicrous.

[xxxdesign-net]

can US autorities come to anyone hosting on a US server!? Is there any laws about that...? I mean, the hosting provider might be in trouble... but Im waiting to see the US Feds come to my door telling me my free porn site is illegal because its not protected! Will that be the big US world invasion!?

[theking]

""There has been very little enforcement of the federal obscenity laws in the last 10 years."

Does anyone have a link for a definitive explanation of "the federal obscenity laws"?

This surely is not the extent of the "laws".

"The U.S. Supreme Court decided in 1973 that materials are obscene if they (1) appeal to the prurient interest, (2) are patently offensive, and (3) lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value in the view of an average, reasonable person applying contemporary community standards."

[reynold]

very interesting

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by theking
(3) lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value in the view of an average, reasonable person applying contemporary community standards."

damn... I may need to start promoting Oliver Kozlov' sites !

[Tala]

Jesus fuckin Christ on a goddamn crutch. There was a time when I thought I lived in a free country. Bullshit. I live in a country run by pussified bitches cowtowing to whatever cause pays them the most, including the religious right (or wrong as it may be).

1984 is closer than it apears, and that scares the living shit out of me. Switzerland is looking MUCH better these days.

[BlackCrayon]

sounds like scare tactics, if its the real thing. its time we take up arms

[SykkBoy]

I find priests molesting children patently offensive, but I don't see hitlerhahahahaha putting the Vatican on notice......

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by theking
""There has been very little enforcement of the federal obscenity laws in the last 10 years."

Does anyone have a link for a definitive explanation of "the federal obscenity laws"?

This surely is not the extent of the "laws".

"The U.S. Supreme Court decided in 1973 that materials are obscene if they (1) appeal to the prurient interest, (2) are patently offensive, and (3) lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value in the view of an average, reasonable person applying contemporary community standards."

The Miller Test is indeed the limit of the federal views on obscenity. That and underage are the only things they have precedent in at the moment to the best of my knowledge.

Don't confuse state and federal though.

[loverboy]

i wonder how this issue will end up... porn rules

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


The Miller Test is indeed the limit of the federal views on obscenity. That and underage are the only things they have precedent in at the moment to the best of my knowledge.

Don't confuse state and federal though.

well, this is now a new era... with internet porn and the republican in power... obscenity laws on a federal level might be rewritten especially for the online porn industry... Free sites might be something they'll go after... teen sites...

[EscortBiz]

call yourself MrBullshit

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/search...der=descending

[Kimmykim]

Federal law is not the way to go with this (were I the opposing side) at all. It's time consuming and slow moving and doesn't accomplish nearly as much as quickly.

The state is the place to hit it, and hit it hard (were I the opposing side) and then let the chaos sort itself out in the courts, using many of the resources and potentially breaking the spine of the industry, rather than giving it a single coalescent point of battle.

[TheGoldenChild]

Blame Florida-

We could have had Gore in office and gotten away with PORNOGRAPHY.

[gornyhuy]

VOTE.

[rooster]

"We could have had Gore in office and gotten away with PORNOGRAPHY"


Its possible, but keep in mind hes married to a woman that called Twisted Sisters "were not gonna take it" obsene.

[theking]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Federal law is not the way to go with this (were I the opposing side) at all. It's time consuming and slow moving and doesn't accomplish nearly as much as quickly.

The state is the place to hit it, and hit it hard (were I the opposing side) and then let the chaos sort itself out in the courts, using many of the resources and potentially breaking the spine of the industry, rather than giving it a single coalescent point of battle.

That of course would leave the Federal Justice Department out of the loop...and I assume that they do not want to be left out of the loop.

[sexeducation]

"risk management" - is the primary thing I have learned since participating on GFY.

attacks can come from Acacia ...
2257 ...
Visa ...
everywhere ...
including others in the business ...

I just want to write a website that does people good - that they don't have to go through the things I did.

It's like you need a bank of lawyers to publish anything sexual on the internet now.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
call yourself MrBullshit

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/search...der=descending

news leech says

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by theking


That of course would leave the Federal Justice Department out of the loop...and I assume that they do not want to be left out of the loop.

Not at all. Federal prosecutors and the DOJ would just be much smarter and better utilize their resources to alleviate what they see as a problem.

[Maureenoz]

People wouldn't be selling porn if there weren't buyers and our buyers aren't the odd pervert in a dark room, they're ordinary people. ..and there are LOTS of them, and they vote.

I'd feel a lot more secure if the gov't worried as much about illiteracy, hunger, joblessness, high crime rates and all the guns floating around.

[tony286]

The States cant afford to go after porn, they are all broke. The only reason the feds are doing this now is its gettng close to election time and this looks good in the news. People have to start watching their asses whether they like it or not. Its time to get responsible.

[TheGoldenChild]

Fuck the right wing politicians- they sit in their ivory towers getting plastered and fucking their pages and interns and have nothing better to do than prosecute porners? They are the very ones imbibing in this stuff-

Them and those born again's- i am convinced most Born Again Christians are former porn and drug addicts....

[lexr]

Vote in 2004!

Too many people don't vote. And I bet you at least half of them are liberal. I wish they all voted.

I never took voting seriously until I saw what's going on with the current admin. Now I'm taking it a lot more seriously.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by tony404
The States cant afford to go after porn, they are all broke. The only reason the feds are doing this now is its gettng close to election time and this looks good in the news. People have to start watching their asses whether they like it or not. Its time to get responsible.

Your last statement is an admission of "irresponsibility".

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by sexeducation



Your last statement is an admission of "irresponsibility".

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by tony404
The States cant afford to go after porn, they are all broke. The only reason the feds are doing this now is its gettng close to election time and this looks good in the news. People have to start watching their asses whether they like it or not. Its time to get responsible.

The states can and will go after it if they are told to and aided by the DOJ. I just read an article in the Sunday paper where the states are being forced to add school testing that none of them can afford and aren't getting enough from the Fed to pay for.

Their choice is to either figure out how to do it or lose the Federal funding they get for other things.

[Adult Site Traffic]

The proverbial sky is hardly falling. People need to be in compliance and watch their ass, sure, but I think the point in case is this:

In an interview with Frontline, defendant and Extreme Associates co-owner Janet Romano (alias "Lizzie Borden") described the video as follows: "A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex against her will, being degraded...then being butchered at the end and spit on. She's being degraded."

AST 121760557

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by sexeducation
It's like you need a bank of lawyers to publish anything sexual on the internet now.

That's why it's called the porn business. Business has always required lawyers. Lawyers, accountants, more ... Anyone who has managed not to have either thus far is either foolish or has been lucky, probably both -- if so, luck has run out.

Time has come (actually thought it came a long time ago) for webmasters to decide: get real or get out.

[LadyMischief]

This is one of the reasons I'm glad I live in Canada!

[tony286]

School testing and going after porn are two very seperate things. When states cant afford to have firehouses open, they arent going to go after porn. The feds want all the credit on this one, this what they promised the right to get in.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
The proverbial sky is hardly falling. People need to be in compliance and watch their ass, sure, but I think the point in case is this:

In an interview with Frontline, defendant and Extreme Associates co-owner Janet Romano (alias "Lizzie Borden") described the video as follows: "A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex against her will, being degraded...then being butchered at the end and spit on. She's being degraded."

AST 121760557

Sounds like some of that movie ...
"The Seven Sins" ... greed, glutteny ...LUST ...
the text above could describe a show on A&E ...
(not that I am defending them - but it could)

[Kimmykim]

Federally funded state investigations happen all the time. The state provides the venue, the feds provide the money, the legal backup and all the other good stuff. To think otherwise is to be in denial of the legal process in the this country from a prosecutorial angle. States and federal are separate only as long as it suits them to be separate.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by Tala
Jesus fuckin Christ on a goddamn crutch. There was a time when I thought I lived in a free country. Bullshit. I live in a country run by pussified bitches cowtowing to whatever cause pays them the most, including the religious right (or wrong as it may be).

1984 is closer than it apears, and that scares the living shit out of me. Switzerland is looking MUCH better these days.

You actually think you live in a free country? Where have you been? Under a rock your whole life?

I better stop now...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
The proverbial sky is hardly falling. People need to be in compliance and watch their ass, sure, but I think the point in case is this:

In an interview with Frontline, defendant and Extreme Associates co-owner Janet Romano (alias "Lizzie Borden") described the video as follows: "A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex against her will, being degraded...then being butchered at the end and spit on. She's being degraded."

AST 121760557

I have hundreds of horror dvds with far more vile shit.

And I can name many hollywood pictures such as Death Wish wish VERY GRAPHIC rape scenes. I caught one Death Wish one night at like 3 am, and was surprised at how much of a brutal gang bang rape was in that movie.

I have horror movies with full stalker style chase down, rapes and murders. Is there really a difference? I dont consider myself into the rape fantasy at ALL, but I LOOOOVE horror movies.

Wouldnt want to see those yanked from the shelf.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/censorshi...723171,00.html

[12clicks]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
call yourself MrBullshit

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/search...der=descending

ahahahahaha, ain't it the truth!\




the sky is falling!! Run chicken littles!

[Fletch XXX]

AMERICA CRAVES THE RAPE REVENGE STORY.

[EscortBiz]

pictures of the crackdown

http://www.cnsnews.com/images/crackdownporn.jpg

[Kingfish]

The feds are doing it because getting rid of porn is one of Mr. Ashhahahahaha?s personal crusades. Frankly Mr. Ashhahahahaha hasn?t been very successful in getting the states excited about the idea of obscenity prosecutions. So now he is doing it himself. For all of you saying that they are only going after extreme because of the simulated rape content think again. I read the indictment, and it seems to me one of the independent charges being leveled is that depiction of male on female anal penetration is obscene. For those of you that think free sites are more susceptible think again on that one as well. Paysites are more vulnerable because there is a traceable transaction where money has exchanged hands across state lines. What the industry should do is fight back rather than waiting for something to happen. Bring a Federal action in a jurisdiction that is more receptive to adult content seeking a declaratory judgment that your content passes legal muster. The Community standards issue as it applies to Internet porn is ready to be litigated all the way up to the Supreme Court. I think it has been hinted that this is an issue that interests them (the Federal Judiciary) and local community standards might not be appropriate when dealing with Internet content. Isn?t everyone better if off if these issues are litigated on somewhat friendly turf rather than in the heart of a conservative community? The judges being appointed to the bench aren?t getting any more liberal.

Ashhahahahaha is going after those pushing the envelope to build up favorable case law. If he can get the courts to uphold community standards in these cases where the envelope is being pushed then he is free to go after more mainstream porn because the underlying premise that you can apply local community standards to Internet porn is valid.

[playa]

DOJ's next attack will be against all Porn companies that have Interracial content

Poor defenseless white women are being violated. We must save our white women from this trash

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Kingfish


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I read the indictment, and it seems to me one of the independent charges being leveled is that depiction of male on female anal penetration is obscene.
...

it is if the person viewing it is not yet reproductively capable.

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Ashhahahahaha is going after those pushing the envelope to build up favorable case law. If he can get the courts to uphold community standards in these cases where the envelope is being pushed then he is free to go after more mainstream porn because the underlying premise that you can apply local community standards to Internet porn is valid.

The "geographical" community can not block the "global" community - the information age.

I have to consider your "case law" scenario - this could be true.
I'm unsure.

What I do know is that there needs to be a global standard.
That I am certain of.

[El Mega]

Didn't Larry Flynt already take a bullet for us on this issue??

[HEARTBREAKER]

to all webmasters:
subject: please read

[FightThisPatent]

Originally posted by sexeducation


The "geographical" community can not block the "global" community - the information age.

slightly off topic but relevant.....

If all adult websites were moved to the .XXX domain, then it would be easy to block the "global" community from within the US borders by the domain extension.

.XXX domain = bad idea

[FightThisPatent]

Originally posted by e l m e g a h
Didn't Larry Flynt already take a bullet for us on this issue??

... i thought it was Jesus...

[easyfun]

World domination starts from the internet

[plsureking]

they are only prosecuting the sickest shit. in the videos in question a chick was kidnapped and raped. it doesn't sound like they are prosecuting nudity or sex. i'd watch it if you sell gay or lesbian content though. some communities might think that is obscene.

not saying that its right, but these are the facts.

if you get nabbed, call the aclu right away. i've used them before over some freedom of speech shit. they are great.

that's your best defense!!

[crockett]

When are we going to save the children from drugs and guns? Dosn't that kill more of them than sex dose each year?

[FightThisPatent]

Originally posted by crockett
When are we going to save the children from drugs and guns? Dosn't that kill more of them than sex dose each year?

from TuPac's 'Changes'

Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me