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wasteland · 08-13-2003, 08:43 AM

fyi....
http://www.technologymarketing.com/m...ent_id=1899661

Groove · 08-13-2003, 08:57 AM

That's the most informative article I have read so far. Thanks

Rawz · 08-13-2003, 08:58 AM

This company wants are cash and has the balls to insult as a whole too , good business stragedy Acacia

Hopefully he keeps running his mouth, their investors are gonna get tired of the bad press pretty quick .

rooster · 08-13-2003, 09:05 AM

That confirmed what I sorta thought all along. These guys were dumbfucks that lost their shirt after internet boom and have to resort to this type of shit because they cant develop a profitabl business.

Mark my words, these guys will piss thru all the money they have within 2 years, and will only have a few dozen licensees.

Tipsy · 08-13-2003, 09:13 AM

One of the most sensible articles I've read. The guy really has done his research before writing it.

LeeNoga · 08-13-2003, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by rooster
Mark my words, these guys will piss thru all the money they have within 2 years, and will only have a few dozen licensees.

Welp with their stock hovering at $1.50 and dropping, I doubt they will make it 2 years.

SleazyDream · 08-13-2003, 10:16 AM

"For Ryan the situation is clearly frustrating. "These companies will end up spending more on litigation than if they just paid the fees," he fumes. Attorney Dorman is equally dismissive of the adult entertainment firms. "These companies are so used to people challenging their business on first amendment grounds that they constantly feel victimized," he says. "They're not sophisticated enough to realize that this patent action is just standard procedure in mainstream businesses."

sophisticated has nothing to do with PRINCIPLE.

I know and have spoken to many companies that would rather go BANKRUPT than pay one red cent to an extorsion scam company like acacia.

I SPIT on the eight adult companies that had no heart and paid the extorsion fees.

LeeNoga · 08-13-2003, 10:17 AM

http://www.fightthispatent.com

Jakki · 08-13-2003, 10:28 AM

maybe I am being stupid, but if their patents really would hold up, why would one of the big players not just buy them?
it would be nothing for someone like mickeysoft...

What are they worth? half a billion or one billion?

So my conclusion is they have nothing which would hold up in court...

wargames · 08-13-2003, 10:28 AM

very cool article

KRL · 08-13-2003, 10:43 AM

Excellent article! Thanks!

clubsexy · 08-13-2003, 10:48 AM

Good article!

goBigtime · 08-13-2003, 10:51 AM

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Attorney Dorman is equally dismissive of the adult entertainment firms. "These companies are so used to people challenging their business on first amendment grounds that they constantly feel victimized," he says. "They're not sophisticated enough to realize that this patent action is just standard procedure in mainstream businesses."

Them Thar's Fightin' werds! Jethro get mah gun!...

better yet, tell Ellie Mae to get them Fish & Richers on phone.

Johny Traffic · 08-13-2003, 10:56 AM

Quote:

maybe I am being stupid, but if their patents really would hold up, why would one of the big players not just buy them?

Jakki me and you have spoken many times on the phone and I value your opinion, your company is big enough to take them on, will you or would you just pay? Have you recieved a demand yet?

Jakki · 08-13-2003, 11:26 AM

I think we have receiced a letter from the "infidels" :-) asking for 2%... I am not sure where we stand yet... My personal feeling is that we should challenge them in court... we do, however, need to consult our lawyers first... will keep you posted...

icq me and we can talk... does anybody else fight them presently? and how far are things?

icq 168 66 52 75

cheers, jakki

JFK · 08-13-2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jakki
I think we have receiced a letter from the "infidels" :-) asking for 2%... I am not sure where we stand yet... My personal feeling is that we should challenge them in court... we do, however, need to consult our lawyers first... will keep you posted...

icq me and we can talk... does anybody else fight them presently? and how far are things?

icq 168 66 52 75

cheers, jakki

Jakki , I know Steve Lightspeed is one of the ones fighting them,You can get in touch with him at Lightspeed Cash...... and Hello how the hell are you ??

icedemon · 08-13-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
"For Ryan the situation is clearly frustrating. "These companies will end up spending more on litigation than if they just paid the fees," he fumes. Attorney Dorman is equally dismissive of the adult entertainment firms. "These companies are so used to people challenging their business on first amendment grounds that they constantly feel victimized," he says. "They're not sophisticated enough to realize that this patent action is just standard procedure in mainstream businesses."

sophisticated has nothing to do with PRINCIPLE.

I know and have spoken to many companies that would rather go BANKRUPT than pay one red cent to an extorsion scam company like acacia.

I SPIT on the eight adult companies that had no heart and paid the extorsion fees.

Agree with you there Sleazy. I think it is alot like Sergo said. If you let Acacia walk all over you, the floodgates are wide open then for every tom, dick and harry to try and get money out of you. Fighting Acacia shows that we will not lay down and let everybody out there try and strong arm us and nickel and dime us to death.

Dravyk · 08-13-2003, 12:03 PM

I love this paragraph from the article:

Ryan and his team of executives decided it would be better for their firm if they could get other companies to pay up without the hassle of forcing them to do so through a lawsuit. To encourage this, Acacia priced the license fees at the low end of the scale to encourage early adoption. "We're only asking two percent of the revenue from streaming media firms, and we are willing to give price breaks to those who sign up early on," says Ryan, who adds that this royalty structure compares favorably with the massive fees often demanded in similar situations.

a) they were asking 5% not too long ago, the 2% is new

b) see how cutely they say "revenue", not distinguishing between gross and net revenue ... so they try to make it sound like net revenue with their "low end of the scale" line, but they don't go on and tell the rest of it

c) they say they're going for "streaming media firms" ... sounds like companies whose sole business is streaming and it's obviously not ....

Call it spin; call it BS. It's about the only thing they seem to do well. Fortunately.

FightThisPatent · 08-13-2003, 02:44 PM

I finally got the website up of http://www.FightThisPatent.com

Went through an identity change from FightThisPatent.com to FightThePatent.com seemed more direct and you can just hear Public Enemey's 'Fight the Power' in your head..... or, at least i do. Still waiting on DNS for FightThePatent.com to come up, so for now you can use FightThisPatent.com

This is my personal viewpoint on the issues, both informative and satirical. I will be actively updating the website and any news of interest i will post back to here to engage in discussions.

Already talked to the guys at IMPAI and Spike and they support my website because I can say anything that i want, whereas their organization has to be more politikally cerrect.

Check out the site, read up on this very important issue. Contribute any leads you may find.

Fight The Patent!

eRock · 08-13-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
That confirmed what I sorta thought all along. These guys were dumbfucks that lost their shirt after internet boom and have to resort to this type of shit because they cant develop a profitabl business.

Mark my words, these guys will piss thru all the money they have within 2 years, and will only have a few dozen licensees.

I read a while back that they targeting the adult Net cuz 1) they said our industry has proved to be the only profitable one overall, 2) they know we have the loot & 3) they said that we won't make a big deal about it cuz we don't want to make ourselves & business public.

So, in other words, they're targeting us cuz to them we're an easy target...

FightThisPatent · 08-13-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jakki
maybe I am being stupid, but if their patents really would hold up, why would one of the big players not just buy them?
it would be nothing for someone like mickeysoft...

Big Corporate biz purchasing patents is very common place, that's what Sony did in picking patents that stuck it to M$ in the DRM patents.

If Acacia's patents were valid, then yes, it would make sense for M$ or any other big biz to purchase the patent portfolio.

But, Acacia's patents will be found to be invalid!

FightThisPatent · 08-13-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Dravyk
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b) see how cutely they say "revenue", not distinguishing between gross and net revenue ... so they try to make it sound like net revenue with their "low end of the scale" line, but they don't go on and tell the rest of it

c) they say they're going for "streaming media firms" ... sounds like companies whose sole business is streaming and it's obviously not ....

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Their licensing model would probably be based on Gross Revenue... hard to do it on Net, because everyone has different expenses....otherwise, everyon's Net would be like $1.

Acacia is targeting companies that are making money from the use of their "patent". If you were a free site and had video clips on your website, you would be violating their patent, but chances are they won't even bother you with a C&D.. that 37 cent stamp would go further to picking on a company that was making $$$

Preacher · 08-13-2003, 04:28 PM

interesting article, thanks for posting.

Jakki · 08-14-2003, 03:15 AM

Hi JFK,

I am great... OK I will tell tanja to talk to steve and see what we can do in our end... I guess we will see eachother again in berlin?

Shame we did not manage to spend much time in miami, but hey we've got time, eh?

Cheers, Jakki

And acacia this is what we will do with "your" 2%

JFK · 08-14-2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jakki
Hi JFK,

I am great... OK I will tell tanja to talk to steve and see what we can do in our end... I guess we will see eachother again in berlin?

Shame we did not manage to spend much time in miami, but hey we've got time, eh?

Cheers, Jakki

And acacia this is what we will do with "your" 2%

goBigtime · 08-14-2003, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dravyk
I love this paragraph from the article:

Ryan and his team of executives decided it would be better for their firm if they could get other companies to pay up without the hassle of forcing them to do so through a lawsuit. To encourage this, Acacia priced the license fees at the low end of the scale to encourage early adoption. "We're only asking two percent of the revenue from streaming media firms, and we are willing to give price breaks to those who sign up early on," says Ryan, who adds that this royalty structure compares favorably with the massive fees often demanded in similar situations.

a) they were asking 5% not too long ago, the 2% is new

b) see how cutely they say "revenue", not distinguishing between gross and net revenue ... so they try to make it sound like net revenue with their "low end of the scale" line, but they don't go on and tell the rest of it

c) they say they're going for "streaming media firms" ... sounds like companies whose sole business is streaming and it's obviously not ....

Call it spin; call it BS. It's about the only thing they seem to do well. Fortunately.

Nice post

thetrog · 08-14-2003, 04:57 AM

Excellent Article

It finally answers the question about why they haven't sued Microsoft or other big companies.

They can't afford it. LOL

It's pretty obvious that they also don't understand how the adult business works either.

Paul Markham · 08-14-2003, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

sophisticated has nothing to do with PRINCIPLE.

I know and have spoken to many companies that would rather go BANKRUPT than pay one red cent to an extorsion scam company like acacia.

I SPIT on the eight adult companies that had no heart and paid the extorsion fees.

Maybe a list of the eight that settled would be interesting. Not saying we should stop doing business with them, but did Acacia ask for a list of their affiliates as part of the deal.

What Acaia does not realise is the collective wealth of this industry, the type of people he is dealing with and how use we are to fighting for everything we get. Willprove to make us a very tough opponent..

Mr Ryan, did you ever hear of a guy called Larry Flynt? He took the fight to the Supreme court.

Maybe all thoise that have received a marketing and licensing package could file in their local court for harrassment. See if Acacia want to turn up in 200 courts across the US.

Sausage · 08-14-2003, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Maybe all thoise that have received a marketing and licensing package could file in their local court for harrassment. See if Acacia want to turn up in 200 courts across the US.

Thats a fantastic idea, but most adult webmasters would prefer not to leave the comfort of their office. its much easier to make a donation to impa (guys who could lose their entire business should they lose and Acacia decides to be vindictive) ... than to get up and actually take some steps yourself.

FightThisPatent · 08-14-2003, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
.... but did Acacia ask for a list of their affiliates as part of the deal.

Not sure if a company that settled with them had to turn over their affiliates, they may have agreed to let the affiliates go, since the sponsor paid up.

but, if you are sued by them, they will ask for discovery information, including your affiliate list.. so they can "research" them.

very sad...

Fight The Patent!

FightThisPatent · 08-14-2003, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thetrog

It finally answers the question about why they haven't sued Microsoft or other big companies.

They can't afford it. LOL

The other possible reason for not suing M$ or Real is that they have such a large base of users of their technology. They could just sue them and make them pay fees, but its so much easier pickings going after individual websites that use M$ or Real technology. Why fight the hand that ends up feeding you.

What would be more scary is that if Acacia was able to win their lawsuits, then someone like M$ could swoop in.

Think of these court cases as like a herd of Zebra (adult websites), with lions ready to pounce (Acacia), and vultures (M$, etc) read to swoop down after the prey falls.

Acacia is not just focused on Adult, they are taking on EVERBODY.

Take for example a small college in Eastern Michigan, slapped with licensing option (or be sued option) for distance learning.

This patent needs to shutdown. While patent attornies representing adult websites are handling the process, they do need our help. They need to find Prior Art. Check out my website for more information on Acacia and the need for Prior Art.

So many people are sitting comfortablely and passively in their chairs, not aware of how serious this issue is. Please read up, get informed, and get involved.

Fight the Patent!

sexeducation · 08-14-2003, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Groove
That's the most informative article I have read so far. Thanks

Yes ... double thumbs.
The best article so far.
That and the one Far-L sent me to ...
hmmm ...where's my bookmarks...

Mojo Rizin · 08-14-2003, 07:22 AM

Did I hear wrong?? I swore I heard Acacia claim they WON the v-chip patent case..

"While Acacia eventually got license fees from a number of manufacturers, three giants?Sony, Sharp and Toshiba?held out until the U.S. District Court in Connecticut ruled against Acacia last September"

sexeducation · 08-14-2003, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent

The other possible reason for not suing M$ or Real is that they have such a large base of users of their technology. They could just sue them and make them pay fees, but its so much easier pickings going after individual websites that use M$ or Real technology. Why fight the hand that ends up feeding you.

What would be more scary is that if Acacia was able to win their lawsuits, then someone like M$ could swoop in.

Think of these court cases as like a herd of Zebra (adult websites), with lions ready to pounce (Acacia), and vultures (M$, etc) read to swoop down after the prey falls.

Acacia is not just focused on Adult, they are taking on EVERBODY.

Take for example a small college in Eastern Michigan, slapped with licensing option (or be sued option) for distance learning.

This patent needs to shutdown. While patent attornies representing adult websites are handling the process, they do need our help. They need to find Prior Art. Check out my website for more information on Acacia and the need for Prior Art.

So many people are sitting comfortablely and passively in their chairs, not aware of how serious this issue is. Please read up, get informed, and get involved.

Fight the Patent!

Good job on the initial website (http://www.FightThisPatent.com).
I've started to blog it. : )

FightThisPatent · 08-14-2003, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin
Did I hear wrong?? I swore I heard Acacia claim they WON the v-chip patent case..

"While Acacia eventually got license fees from a number of manufacturers, three giants?Sony, Sharp and Toshiba?held out until the U.S. District Court in Connecticut ruled against Acacia last September"

according to the Forbes article, they lost their case last year, and that their patent expired in July for the v-chip:

http://www.forbes.com/2003/04/02/cz_sl_0402porn.html

Mojo Rizin · 08-14-2003, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent

according to the Forbes article, they lost their case last year, and that their patent expired in July for the v-chip:

http://www.forbes.com/2003/04/02/cz_sl_0402porn.html

Yeah I thought so too.

But during that live interview with Acacia a few weeks ago I swear I heard them say they didnt lose that patent case.

FightThisPatent · 08-14-2003, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin

But during that live interview with Acacia a few weeks ago I swear I heard them say they didnt lose that patent case.

right, but remember, its the same guy/group that says the "own" the concept of the delivery of digital audio/video (ie. streaming)

Here is the court document for the Sony v. Soundview (acacia) case:

http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/Opinions....jba.sony2.pdf

lots of legal stuff, go to the very end of the document, where if i am reading it correctly, Sony won.

SkyWalker · 08-14-2003, 08:00 AM

ballsy play, might pay off

08-13-2003, 08:43 AM	#1
wasteland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 697	Acacia Background Info fyi.... http://www.technologymarketing.com/m...ent_id=1899661

08-13-2003, 09:13 AM	#5
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08-13-2003, 08:57 AM	#2
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Rawz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 288	This company wants are cash and has the balls to insult as a whole too , good business stragedy Acacia Hopefully he keeps running his mouth, their investors are gonna get tired of the bad press pretty quick .

08-13-2003, 09:05 AM	#4
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	That confirmed what I sorta thought all along. These guys were dumbfucks that lost their shirt after internet boom and have to resort to this type of shit because they cant develop a profitabl business. Mark my words, these guys will piss thru all the money they have within 2 years, and will only have a few dozen licensees.

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Jakki Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 90	I think we have receiced a letter from the "infidels" :-) asking for 2%... I am not sure where we stand yet... My personal feeling is that we should challenge them in court... we do, however, need to consult our lawyers first... will keep you posted... icq me and we can talk... does anybody else fight them presently? and how far are things? icq 168 66 52 75 cheers, jakki __________________ Jakki

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Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	I love this paragraph from the article: Ryan and his team of executives decided it would be better for their firm if they could get other companies to pay up without the hassle of forcing them to do so through a lawsuit. To encourage this, Acacia priced the license fees at the low end of the scale to encourage early adoption. "We're only asking two percent of the revenue from streaming media firms, and we are willing to give price breaks to those who sign up early on," says Ryan, who adds that this royalty structure compares favorably with the massive fees often demanded in similar situations. a) they were asking 5% not too long ago, the 2% is new b) see how cutely they say "revenue", not distinguishing between gross and net revenue ... so they try to make it sound like net revenue with their "low end of the scale" line, but they don't go on and tell the rest of it c) they say they're going for "streaming media firms" ... sounds like companies whose sole business is streaming and it's obviously not .... Call it spin; call it BS. It's about the only thing they seem to do well. Fortunately. __________________ All Of 'Em

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