Brainstorm for a new website to present info about ACACIA patent issues - GoFuckYourself.com

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:20 AM

While IMPAI.org is a website that will be presenting info on the ACACIA patents, their tongue will be somewhat tied.

From the various posts on GFY to the AVN poll that FreeAdultContent provided, 80% of the adult webmasters either don't care or don't know about the ACACIA patents.

I am proposing that we have a website that will post links, info, comments on the issues, and guidance as to what WE can do to help find prior art.

The purpose of this thread is to brainstorm for a new website domain that we can use that both adult and mainstream people will visit.

In the "old school" thread concerning ACACIA, i am asking if any webmaster that doesn't have audio/video on their websites would be willing to donate a website for this cause, and the domain that we come up with in this thread would be the new home.

I, for one, will be actively contributing, so this website will have current info.

We can say and do alot more to bring education, awareness, and a call to action than IMPAI might be able to, due to their legal bindings with the ACACIA lawsuit.

so, any ideas? ACACIASUCKS.com and ideas along these lines won't be compatible with looking at bringing in mainstream into this as well.

This is our chance to bridge to the mainstream, to get them to join this issue, so we don't want to scare off the Right by being too blatant.

[brainstorm on]

chodadog · 08-11-2003, 09:29 AM

fuckacacia.com would be a nice domain for such a site.

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
fuckacacia.com would be a nice domain for such a site.

probably a domain name that doesn't reference their name... since that just opens up potential liability.

also, please check if the domain is available first before posting.

while fuckacacia.com is available for registering, it's a bit harsh to promote to mainstream.

Fabuleux · 08-11-2003, 09:36 AM

Register acasiatech.net; it's available

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:37 AM

What about FightThis.com ?

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabuleux
Register acasiatech.net; it's available

Needs to be a .com extension Majority of web surfers automatically think .com

Fabuleux · 08-11-2003, 09:39 AM

keepstreamingfree.com

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:42 AM

What about PriorArtThis.com ?

FUCKuPAYme · 08-11-2003, 09:42 AM

nothingworks.com

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by FUCKuPAYme
nothingworks.com

already registered

goBigtime · 08-11-2003, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASACP_CTO

I am proposing that we have a website that will post links, info, comments on the issues, and guidance as to what WE can do to help find prior art. [brainstorm on]

What a great idea you had!

Anyway...

I'm pretty sure that using Acacia in the domain name is perfectly fine. I think there have have several lawsuits lost by big mainstream companies to suggest this.

ie FightAcacia.com, StopAcacia.com or something to that effect should be fine.

Fabuleux · 08-11-2003, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

What a great idea you had!

Anyway...

I'm pretty sure that using Acacia in the domain name is perfectly fine. I think there have have several lawsuits lost by big mainstream companies to suggest this.

Like this cool site: http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/

Vick · 08-11-2003, 09:54 AM

ASACP_CTO - who are you really and what sites do you run?
How long have you been in business?
What is prompting you to come around just lately and try to be so involved in the Acacia issue? and trying to get so much info in the open?

I'm curious .........

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick
ASACP_CTO - who are you really and what sites do you run?
How long have you been in business?
What is prompting you to come around just lately and try to be so involved in the Acacia issue? and trying to get so much info in the open?

I'm curious .........

My name is Brandon (my online handle is "dj") and i am the new CTO for ASACP.

I haven't run any adult websites, but i have been involved with the adult industry since 1997.

I rebuilt Lee Noga's zmaster.com in 1997 to be a database driven website that propelled sales from 330K/year to over a 1M/year. I was also the developer for OnTheRopes.com (ran by Lee Noga), a webmaster resource site that ran for 3 years)

I have been working in the computer industry for 17 years, been on the internet for 14 years, found and floundered a .com.

I am getting involved in this Acacia issue because it pisses me off to no end, when companies patent broad and common place ideas. This patent, along with so many recently, affect all internet-based businesses.

I consider myself an "inside-outsider" to the adult industry, as a lurker since 1997. I am aware of how the business works, the players, etc, which was one of the advantages for ASACP.org in bringing me onboard as their CTO to oversee their technology expansion. I was a "booth bunny" at the ASACP booth at InterNext.

My efforts are to educate people on how serious this issue is for anyone that has streaming audio or video on their websites, and to assist Home Grown Video and other webmasters in finding prior art, to help nullify this patent.

In reading this thread, i hope that you too are concerned about this issue, and if I can help to present to the readerss what we as non-lawyers can do, that more people can become involved and make a difference.

I am not trying to plug any product or service, i gain no benefits from my activism other than knowing that i did not sit idle to this and any other cause that is unjust.

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabuleux

Like this cool site: http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/

ya, but they changed their identity to MicroSuck.com cause i am sure they were under heavy legal pressure from MS.

They still retains fuckmicrosoft.com and have it pointed to MicroSuck.com, but since that domain isn't what they publicize, it puts them out of the cross hairs.

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

What a great idea you had!

actually, the idea was lifted from another acacia thread but since i didn't see any copyright, trademarks, or patents filed on the idea, i decided to bring it up.

Not looking to take any kind of credit for the idea, but will take action to do my part in getting the information out.

Vick · 08-11-2003, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASACP_CTO

My name is Brandon (my online handle is "dj") and i am the new CTO for ASACP.

I haven't run any adult websites, but i have been involved with the adult industry since 1997.

I rebuilt Lee Noga's zmaster.com in 1997 to be a database driven website that propelled sales from 330K/year to over a 1M/year. I was also the developer for OnTheRopes.com (ran by Lee Noga), a webmaster resource site that ran for 3 years)

I have been working in the computer industry for 17 years, been on the internet for 14 years, found and floundered a .com.

I am getting involved in this Acacia issue because it pisses me off to no end, when companies patent broad and common place ideas. This patent, along with so many recently, affect all internet-based businesses.

I consider myself an "inside-outsider" to the adult industry, as a lurker since 1997. I am aware of how the business works, the players, etc, which was one of the advantages for ASACP.org in bringing me onboard as their CTO to oversea their technology expansion. I was a "booth bunny" at the ASACP booth at InterNext.

My efforts are to educate people on how serious this issue is for anyone that has streaming audio or video on their websites, and to assist Home Grown Video and other webmasters in finding prior art, to help nullify this patent.

In reading this thread, i hope that you too are concerned about this issue, and if I can help to present to the readerss what we as non-lawyers can do, that more people can become involved and make a difference.

I am not trying to plug any product or service, i gain no benefits from my activism other than knowing that i did not sit idle to this and any other cause that is unjust.

Much thanks for the reply
Lee can you vouch that this is correct?
Hope you can see my concern that someone coming out of the blue and asking for lots of info to be shared and posted publicly could be questioned
I still think any prior art info should be keep off of public posting boards and send to Impai

Nysus · 08-11-2003, 10:42 AM

Ackacia.com ?

Assacia.com ?

I do like FightThis.com or FightThisPatent.com would work as well.

I'm glad someone like yourself is stepping up to form an information website where people can share ideas and post information or questions they have. I'm there there'd be a host who'd be willing to host such a site as well.

Best of luck, and make sure to make a new thread announcing the site with domain name when it's decided.

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 08-11-2003, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick

Much thanks for the reply
Lee can you vouch that this is correct?
Hope you can see my concern that someone coming out of the blue and asking for lots of info to be shared and posted publicly could be questioned
I still think any prior art info should be keep off of public posting boards and send to Impai

I don't think the issue is about prior art. That is what ACACIA is making everyone believe, though I think what will be tried is what their "engineers" find to be affected by the patent they own.

I could of course be wrong, but if the prior art thing was obvious then this would likely be over. I think it is not over yet though because ACACIA's patent has not be tried in any court to see if the way they are enforcing it is legal.

Cheers,
Matt

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick

I still think any prior art info should be keep off of public posting boards and send to Impai

I certainly agree with you... but, I am not hurting anyone's case by helping those find the "needle in the haystack".

This kind of information, as well as general info about what this case is about is important for all webmasters who have audio/video clips on their website to understand.

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus

I don't think the issue is about prior art. That is what ACACIA is making everyone believe, though I think what will be tried is what their "engineers" find to be affected by the patent they own.

matt, this issue is all about finding prior art.

Acacia has several approved patents that they feel covers their claims over "streaming audio and video".

The only ways to disprove this is to file to the US Patent Office to have the case reviewed in light of "prior art", or to go to court defending against an Acacia lawsuit, showing "prior art" that would invalidate their patent.

eroswebmaster · 08-11-2003, 11:02 AM

How about this:

wwwmc.org *availble*
stands for:
The world wide webmaster coaltion

LeeNoga · 08-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vick
Lee can you vouch that this is correct?

I know him well, and he *IS* the real deal, trust me when I tell you this.

ravener · 08-11-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASACP_CTO

I am proposing that we have a website that will post links, info, comments on the issues, and guidance as to what WE can do to help find prior art.

[brainstorm on]

Great idea! Let's do it!

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 01:42 PM

ok, i have registered the domain name FightThisPatent.com

(got 1 vote for it from Matt, so i went with it).

The reason i went with this one is because it is generic enough to apply to any future patents that need to be addressed. It's also not abrasive to mainstream media, which is one of the target audiences to read/learn about this Acacia issue.

Until now, i have been sitting on the sideline concerning patents that deal with the internet space. Before, i couldn't get involved because they were out in the mainstream, and not so much in this smaller, community space of the adult industry.

I know that many more patent claims will come this way, as they already have, and so there will be many more "call to arms" to find prior art, or to give education/information on the issues.

I will help to take up this fight by putting up a website and actively contributing information. I also welcome those who have similar concerns to also contribute information.

I have the domain registered now, so i need to get a webhost up. I'll post it up on this board when it is up (probably also ask for assistance on graphics and design since i can't draw, but i can code)

If a better name comes up that peope feel helps to capture the spirit of this issue, we can certainly set up that domain as well.

F-Acacia.com would certainly illustrate the sentiment, but won't carry over too well with mainstream.

On a slightly different note...... I saw an E! special on Jenna Jameson and the segment i saw was about her issues with Bill O'Reilly. Jenna was very articulate in defending and presenting herself against Bill. If anyone has connections to Jenna, this would be a great issue that she could present to Bill, since she herself has streaming video. It would get Bill's attention coming from her, and once he got over the fact that the Adult Industry was being picked on for patents, he'll realize that this is a bigger issue, that could actually affect him and his use of audio and video clips. Once i get the site up with some info, it would be great way to publicize the issues to get more people aware of this.

ASACP_CTO · 08-11-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
How about this:

wwwmc.org *availble*
stands for:
The world wide webmaster coaltion

can't really have a coalition, it would be much like IMPAI as an association, you can get into an area of "conspiracy" if you have a large group focused on stopping another company.

Since the point of this website is to provide information, it gets around those issues, and doesn't have to bite its tongue on viewpoints, that people like HomeGrownVideo and others have to do since they are involved.

Long live freedom of speech!

sexeducation · 08-11-2003, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASACP_CTO

can't really have a coalition, it would be much like IMPAI as an association, you can get into an area of "conspiracy" if you have a large group focused on stopping another company.

Since the point of this website is to provide information, it gets around those issues, and doesn't have to bite its tongue on viewpoints, that people like HomeGrownVideo and others have to do since they are involved.

Long live freedom of speech!

exactly ...
they didn't like my post that they were being "legally strangled" in another thread. They could never "discuss" things like we can ...

Long live freedom of speech.

FightThisPatent · 08-12-2003, 01:02 PM

If you have been following some of the other threads on Acacia and Prior Art, then you would have seen me posting under ASACP_CTO. I have moved over to this posting name.

In response to webmasters needing to know more about this issue and what they can do, i have constructed a website at http://www.FightThisPatent.com that i will be updating with news and articles to help keep the webmaster community informed.

I am not forming an organization like IMPAI, so what i present won't have any antitrust issues. I'm doing this because this patent really pisses me off, and helping to fight this patent is one way to try and affect positive change.

The website is complementary to IMPAI when their site goes up. I've already chatted with Spike at Home Grown Video as a source to submit the prior art leads that i am working on, and any leads that people may submit to the website.

I'll post breaking topics and issues to GFY so that everyone can get a chance to make their comments.

08-11-2003, 09:20 AM	#1
ASACP_CTO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 31	Brainstorm for a new website to present info about ACACIA patent issues While IMPAI.org is a website that will be presenting info on the ACACIA patents, their tongue will be somewhat tied. From the various posts on GFY to the AVN poll that FreeAdultContent provided, 80% of the adult webmasters either don't care or don't know about the ACACIA patents. I am proposing that we have a website that will post links, info, comments on the issues, and guidance as to what WE can do to help find prior art. The purpose of this thread is to brainstorm for a new website domain that we can use that both adult and mainstream people will visit. In the "old school" thread concerning ACACIA, i am asking if any webmaster that doesn't have audio/video on their websites would be willing to donate a website for this cause, and the domain that we come up with in this thread would be the new home. I, for one, will be actively contributing, so this website will have current info. We can say and do alot more to bring education, awareness, and a call to action than IMPAI might be able to, due to their legal bindings with the ACACIA lawsuit. so, any ideas? ACACIASUCKS.com and ideas along these lines won't be compatible with looking at bringing in mainstream into this as well. This is our chance to bridge to the mainstream, to get them to join this issue, so we don't want to scare off the Right by being too blatant. [brainstorm on] __________________ ------------------------------------ Help stop Child Pornography! Join www.asacp.org Last edited by ASACP_CTO; 08-11-2003 at 09:23 AM..

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Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Ackacia.com ? Assacia.com ? I do like FightThis.com or FightThisPatent.com would work as well. I'm glad someone like yourself is stepping up to form an information website where people can share ideas and post information or questions they have. I'm there there'd be a host who'd be willing to host such a site as well. Best of luck, and make sure to make a new thread announcing the site with domain name when it's decided. Cheers, Matt

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ASACP_CTO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 31	ok, i have registered the domain name FightThisPatent.com (got 1 vote for it from Matt, so i went with it). The reason i went with this one is because it is generic enough to apply to any future patents that need to be addressed. It's also not abrasive to mainstream media, which is one of the target audiences to read/learn about this Acacia issue. Until now, i have been sitting on the sideline concerning patents that deal with the internet space. Before, i couldn't get involved because they were out in the mainstream, and not so much in this smaller, community space of the adult industry. I know that many more patent claims will come this way, as they already have, and so there will be many more "call to arms" to find prior art, or to give education/information on the issues. I will help to take up this fight by putting up a website and actively contributing information. I also welcome those who have similar concerns to also contribute information. I have the domain registered now, so i need to get a webhost up. I'll post it up on this board when it is up (probably also ask for assistance on graphics and design since i can't draw, but i can code) If a better name comes up that peope feel helps to capture the spirit of this issue, we can certainly set up that domain as well. F-Acacia.com would certainly illustrate the sentiment, but won't carry over too well with mainstream. On a slightly different note...... I saw an E! special on Jenna Jameson and the segment i saw was about her issues with Bill O'Reilly. Jenna was very articulate in defending and presenting herself against Bill. If anyone has connections to Jenna, this would be a great issue that she could present to Bill, since she herself has streaming video. It would get Bill's attention coming from her, and once he got over the fact that the Adult Industry was being picked on for patents, he'll realize that this is a bigger issue, that could actually affect him and his use of audio and video clips. Once i get the site up with some info, it would be great way to publicize the issues to get more people aware of this. __________________ ------------------------------------ Help stop Child Pornography! Join www.asacp.org

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