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Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 04:53 AM

My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k.

Fucking fantastic.

lagwagon · 08-11-2003, 04:54 AM

what is ricing? putting in performance parts?

ldinternet · 08-11-2003, 04:57 AM

fixing shiny stickers and aeroplane parts to a family saloon.

Mutt · 08-11-2003, 04:58 AM

i forget ...... are Finns Swedish wannabees or American wannabees?

maybe they really want to be Canucks.

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
i forget ...... are Finns Swedish wannabees or American wannabees?

maybe they really want to be Canucks.

Uh?
I doubt we're wannabes, since finland is superior to all of you pathetic fucks.

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lagwagon
what is ricing? putting in performance parts?

Performance parts, upgrading the engine, big rims, bodywork.. all that shit.

eiht_98 · 08-11-2003, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k.

Fucking fantastic.

that's fucked up

ldinternet · 08-11-2003, 05:15 AM

You might be a ricer if...

You drive around in a $20,000 import with $10,000 in mods.. and still live with your parents.

You can relate to every line of the song "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" by the Offspring

You ever painted your wheels to match the same color as your car.

You are a white kid driving an import.. wear baggy pants/hat turned around, walk with a fake limp and end every sentence with "yew know wha I'm sayin? Relate."

You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission

You drive a Ford Escort station wagon with Kanji, wide tires, and Limp Bizkit stickers on the rear hatch

You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower.

You have a front wing.

You claim that polishing your car gave you 5HP.

You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette.

You claim you lost because you missed a shift... and your car is an automatic.

You have aftermarket FRONT wheels for racing but stock rear wheels.

You fly past the person who is 10 car lengths in front of you after they have put on their brakes.. and claim a victory.

You have to find a way to drive AROUND speed bumps in a parking lot.

You bring an empty Maxwell House coffee can with you to compare size when you shop for an aftermarket exhaust system.

Your engine makes twice as much horsepower as torque.

If your rear spoiler is taller then you are.

If you can fist fuck your exhaust pipe

Your mod list includes stereo equipment, shifter handle, MOMO steering wheel, PIA driving lights, exhaust tip, but no REAL engine parts.

A chameleon lizard undergoes fewer shade changes than your custom paint scheme.

You spent $5,000 on the engine and you can not out run a stock Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang

Your Eclipse GS-T hardtop has a "SPYDER" emblem on the rear...

If you take mom's 4 door Honda accord and do any kind of mod to it

You claim you lost the race because you had a passenger in the car.

You claim how if you went from a roll you would have beat him.

Your rims and tires are so large, that you have to install the tire / wheel from underneath the car because it simply won't fit in the wheel well going in from the side.

The dealer laughs when you bring your car back in for service under warranty, and you've only had it 6 months...

You painted the UNDERBODY of the car to match

You think the Del Sol is a sports car...

Your tires / rims stick out from the lip of your car by more than 1".

Your paint job is from the WRONG end of the color spectrum.

You installed spacers on your STOCK wheels and tires to get them to stick out past the fender.

Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed.

You see cars like yours in a Shriner's Parade for Children and clowns are driving them.

If the 1970 Plymouth Daytona Superbird has a smaller spoiler than your car does.

You push your car through the staging lanes. That way, maybe you can break into the 16s by keeping the motor cool between runs.

You add a super tall rear wing, and a hundred pounds of aftermarket ground effects, neon and stereo yet you gut the interior and yank out the rear seat for weight savings.

You have more stereo WATTS than engine TORQUE!

If your tailpipe extension is the most expensive mod you?ve done to your engine yet.

Your tailpipe extension fell off during a quarter mile race and you went three tenths of a second faster due to weight savings.

You think a deep farty noise = the sound of high performance

If you think that horsepower is far more important than torque

If you have ever considered installing more than one set of fog / driving lights.

Your baseball cap is always on backwards when you drive.

You spent all night on the Internet trying to find a company that makes a turbocharger system for your Hyundai...

If you removed your side view mirrors and put them at the TOP of the door / window frame.

Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!")

If you cannot drive your car in snow as the ground effects create a plow effect.

If you have stickers on your car for parts that you could not point out if asked where those parts are installed.

Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R.

You took your rear seat out and gutted your interior for weight savings but you installed 400 pounds of electronics, neon, DVD, Sony, etc.

If you gutted the interior to save weight on a car that you will never take to the track?

You lean your seat so far back when you are driving, that everytime you hit a bump, its your back and not your butt that hurts.

If you have ever thought Hyundai and "performance" went hand in hand

If you've ever gone to a parts shop or speed warehouse and asked for a 1" to 6" exhaust adapter...

If you've ever contemplated adding "TYPE-R" stickers to your Sonata?

If you have more neon lights on your car than a strip club...

You put Kanji on your Ford ZX2, Ford Probe, or Mercury Cougar ...

You own a "TYPE-R" Hyundai or Mazda.

You couldn't afford headlight masking, so you just painted them with flat black Krylon and it's peeling. Badly.

You have neon INSIDE your ENGINE compartment

Tell everyone about how you lost the cop because of your "driving skills".

Your idea of aiming a handgun is raising your arm over your head, pointing the gun away from you, and then just letting your wrist fall to the side to where the gun is almost sideways ...

DuPont gave up trying to figure out the shade you were asking for.

You take offense when I say.. "your sister is like your car.. small, tight and hard to get into."

Triple 6 · 08-11-2003, 07:19 AM

Mackone · 08-11-2003, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Uh?
I doubt we're wannabes, since finland is superior to all of you pathetic fucks.

That is a fucking fact!!!

Gutterboy · 08-11-2003, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k.

Fucking fantastic.

Please TGF, tell me this is not true, and that you are not a ricer.

Don't destroy my faith in humanity

JamesK · 08-11-2003, 07:22 AM

weird

rowan · 08-11-2003, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k.

Fucking fantastic.

Ouch... market value only, you didn't have an agreed value policy?

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy

Please TGF, tell me this is not true, and that you are not a ricer.

Don't destroy my faith in humanity

I'm no longer a ricer. I don't have a car.

Gutterboy · 08-11-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I'm no longer a ricer. I don't have a car.

Glory!

calm · 08-11-2003, 07:26 AM

Lo-jack?

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan

Ouch... market value only, you didn't have an agreed value policy?

Nope. I just had their best policy.. now the fine print said they'd only cover 3600? of 'extras' like modifications.. unfortunately they failed to mention this when I called this spring to ask if I needed to arrange a different agreement with them since my car had over ?15k of modifications. They said "No", since I had the best policy.

Now that shit hit the fan, apparently I should have agreed on a better custom policy..

FUCK THEM. I'm SO pissed off.

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 07:32 AM

Never trust anyone, and read the fineprint

I'm gonna go cry now.

Naughty · 08-11-2003, 07:33 AM

Dude, somebody actually stole your Escort?

Although not at all funny to/for you, I think it is hilarious somebody actually stole that kind of car. What were they thinking?

Sorry to hear it though, I know you spend months working on it.

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Naughty
Dude, somebody actually stole your Escort?

Although not at all funny to/for you, I think it is hilarious somebody actually stole that kind of car. What were they thinking?

Sorry to hear it though, I know you spend months working on it.

Months? I spend 2½ years working on it.
Now it's probably chopped up and the pieces resold.

Naughty · 08-11-2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Months? I spend 2½ years working on it.
Now it's probably chopped up and the pieces resold.

Jeez, that's even worse.

DarkJedi · 08-11-2003, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet
You might be a ricer if...

You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission

Oracle Porn · 08-11-2003, 08:46 AM

Own3d by ldinternet

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Own3d by ldinternet

Yes Einstein, ldinternet made all that up...
besides, I was owned by my insurance company, not by a post.
twat.

Maru · 08-11-2003, 09:23 AM

I'm gonna have my head chopped off now but....

Finnish people do have a penchant for melancholy. Maybe it's those long, brooding, cold winter nights. Or maybe it's the massive mosquito attacks during summer.

Anyway: TGF's mishaps are an extra reason for feeling sad - and to have a little drink of something strong - which, I've been told, is also a part of Finnish lore.

As to "are Finns Swedish wannabees". You're sticking your hand into a beehive here - and your probably right - hence the reaction ;-)

I've never been to Finland myself but I've known Finns. It is said to be a very beautiful country but, just for your own comfort, beware the mosquitos.

The language takes an hour or two (maybe three) to get really used to. (Actually, it's renowned for being very difficult).

Evil1 · 08-11-2003, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lagwagon
what is ricing? putting in performance parts?

Making a 4 cylinder import look incredibly stupid while at the same time adding enuff power to hit 100 mph.

Sassyass · 08-11-2003, 09:27 AM

gothweb · 08-11-2003, 09:28 AM

Er. Can I borrow your shoes?

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Er. Can I borrow your shoes?

Actually, I saw the FUNNIEST ricer while I was in Florida, it was much like the one in Sassyass's post. It was a damn Pontiac too.. I wish I had my camera with me.

gothweb · 08-11-2003, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Actually, I saw the FUNNIEST ricer while I was in Florida, it was much like the one in Sassyass's post. It was a damn Pontiac too.. I wish I had my camera with me.

I have started seeing some ricers here in England, which is just weird. No real major modifications, yet, but it's only a matter of time.

Evil1 · 08-11-2003, 09:43 AM

http://www.anti-rice.com/galleries.html

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil1
http://www.anti-rice.com/galleries.html

Heheh.

I'm not saying most ricing is stupid, but this 'anti ricing' shit is almost as sad as ricing itself. It was a hobby for me, and I was VERY pleased with the results. Almost everything that could be hand crafted was, Bumpers, interior, hood, doors... I worked on it for 2½ years and 2 months after it was completed some fuckface stole it.. ain't nice.

I didn't have no stickers on it, although I did have dual exhaust on 4 cylinder car and a rear-spoiler on a Frontwheel drive.... bohoo.. what a lamer.

hyper · 08-11-2003, 09:52 AM

give them the receipts for all the shit and work done on the car.

they will pay you.

i just went through this

foe · 08-11-2003, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet
fixing shiny stickers and aeroplane parts to a family saloon.

the shiny tickets give you 10 hp
and the aeroplane part ... dont even go there

foe · 08-11-2003, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k.

Fucking fantastic.

you should have taken pictures of aftermarket parts and sent them to get insured as well

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper
give them the receipts for all the shit and work done on the car.

they will pay you.

i just went through this

I have all that shit, and I've sent them the receipts and pictures of my car.. They had a fineprint on the insurance that they wouldn't pay for 'extras' more than ?3600.
So basically, I get the price of the car (now less than 5k) + that 3600. When I called them up, they said I didn't need any special insurance and that my current one would cover it all... lying sack of shit. How do I prove she said anything like that on the phone? I was gullible enough to just take her word on it, since I don't have my original insurance deal at home.

Morgan · 08-11-2003, 10:11 AM

My car came pretty ricey stock! But it will smoke any ricer on the street!

Jakke PNG · 08-11-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
My car came pretty ricey stock! But it will smoke any ricer on the street!

I like evo's. Lol, my Ricer looked somewhat like that (except older and uglier).

Nismo · 08-11-2003, 10:18 AM

evo8's are fucking sweet. too bad they're made by mitsubishi

Evil1 · 08-11-2003, 10:18 AM

69pornlinks · 08-11-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet
You might be a ricer if...

copy and paste i hope, it was funny but then i kept scrolling down like when it's going to end

Morgan · 08-11-2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 69pornlinks

copy and paste i hope, it was funny but then i kept scrolling down like when it's going to end

I read the first 15 or so.... then i was like

08-11-2003, 04:53 AM	#1
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	'Ricing' a car is like throwing money away My riced car was stolen early june.. I've spent over ?20k on the fucker... and now my insurance company told me to fuck myself, hard... they're gonna pay me less than ?8k. Fucking fantastic. __________________ ..and I'm off.

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ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	You might be a ricer if... You drive around in a $20,000 import with $10,000 in mods.. and still live with your parents. You can relate to every line of the song "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" by the Offspring You ever painted your wheels to match the same color as your car. You are a white kid driving an import.. wear baggy pants/hat turned around, walk with a fake limp and end every sentence with "yew know wha I'm sayin? Relate." You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission You drive a Ford Escort station wagon with Kanji, wide tires, and Limp Bizkit stickers on the rear hatch You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower. You have a front wing. You claim that polishing your car gave you 5HP. You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette. You claim you lost because you missed a shift... and your car is an automatic. You have aftermarket FRONT wheels for racing but stock rear wheels. You fly past the person who is 10 car lengths in front of you after they have put on their brakes.. and claim a victory. You have to find a way to drive AROUND speed bumps in a parking lot. You bring an empty Maxwell House coffee can with you to compare size when you shop for an aftermarket exhaust system. Your engine makes twice as much horsepower as torque. If your rear spoiler is taller then you are. If you can fist fuck your exhaust pipe Your mod list includes stereo equipment, shifter handle, MOMO steering wheel, PIA driving lights, exhaust tip, but no REAL engine parts. A chameleon lizard undergoes fewer shade changes than your custom paint scheme. You spent $5,000 on the engine and you can not out run a stock Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang Your Eclipse GS-T hardtop has a "SPYDER" emblem on the rear... If you take mom's 4 door Honda accord and do any kind of mod to it You claim you lost the race because you had a passenger in the car. You claim how if you went from a roll you would have beat him. Your rims and tires are so large, that you have to install the tire / wheel from underneath the car because it simply won't fit in the wheel well going in from the side. The dealer laughs when you bring your car back in for service under warranty, and you've only had it 6 months... You painted the UNDERBODY of the car to match You think the Del Sol is a sports car... Your tires / rims stick out from the lip of your car by more than 1". Your paint job is from the WRONG end of the color spectrum. You installed spacers on your STOCK wheels and tires to get them to stick out past the fender. Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed. You see cars like yours in a Shriner's Parade for Children and clowns are driving them. If the 1970 Plymouth Daytona Superbird has a smaller spoiler than your car does. You push your car through the staging lanes. That way, maybe you can break into the 16s by keeping the motor cool between runs. You add a super tall rear wing, and a hundred pounds of aftermarket ground effects, neon and stereo yet you gut the interior and yank out the rear seat for weight savings. You have more stereo WATTS than engine TORQUE! If your tailpipe extension is the most expensive mod you?ve done to your engine yet. Your tailpipe extension fell off during a quarter mile race and you went three tenths of a second faster due to weight savings. You think a deep farty noise = the sound of high performance If you think that horsepower is far more important than torque If you have ever considered installing more than one set of fog / driving lights. Your baseball cap is always on backwards when you drive. You spent all night on the Internet trying to find a company that makes a turbocharger system for your Hyundai... If you removed your side view mirrors and put them at the TOP of the door / window frame. Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!") If you cannot drive your car in snow as the ground effects create a plow effect. If you have stickers on your car for parts that you could not point out if asked where those parts are installed. Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R. You took your rear seat out and gutted your interior for weight savings but you installed 400 pounds of electronics, neon, DVD, Sony, etc. If you gutted the interior to save weight on a car that you will never take to the track? You lean your seat so far back when you are driving, that everytime you hit a bump, its your back and not your butt that hurts. If you have ever thought Hyundai and "performance" went hand in hand If you've ever gone to a parts shop or speed warehouse and asked for a 1" to 6" exhaust adapter... If you've ever contemplated adding "TYPE-R" stickers to your Sonata? If you have more neon lights on your car than a strip club... You put Kanji on your Ford ZX2, Ford Probe, or Mercury Cougar ... You own a "TYPE-R" Hyundai or Mazda. You couldn't afford headlight masking, so you just painted them with flat black Krylon and it's peeling. Badly. You have neon INSIDE your ENGINE compartment Tell everyone about how you lost the cop because of your "driving skills". Your idea of aiming a handgun is raising your arm over your head, pointing the gun away from you, and then just letting your wrist fall to the side to where the gun is almost sideways ... DuPont gave up trying to figure out the shade you were asking for. You take offense when I say.. "your sister is like your car.. small, tight and hard to get into."

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Maru Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 918	I'm gonna have my head chopped off now but.... Finnish people do have a penchant for melancholy. Maybe it's those long, brooding, cold winter nights. Or maybe it's the massive mosquito attacks during summer. Anyway: TGF's mishaps are an extra reason for feeling sad - and to have a little drink of something strong - which, I've been told, is also a part of Finnish lore. As to "are Finns Swedish wannabees". You're sticking your hand into a beehive here - and your probably right - hence the reaction ;-) I've never been to Finland myself but I've known Finns. It is said to be a very beautiful country but, just for your own comfort, beware the mosquitos. The language takes an hour or two (maybe three) to get really used to. (Actually, it's renowned for being very difficult).

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