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Old 08-09-2003, 01:19 PM   #101
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Old 08-09-2003, 01:44 PM   #102
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Regardless of whether there are or are not "beliefs by themselves", what is meant by the original question is that you only have the ability to obtain the beliefs by themselves and have to make an evaluation with that information alone.
No offense, but in that case the question is rather silly. If you don't use a context ("christians are stupid"), that means it should be valid in any context (e.g. in world X where christianity has just been proven correct, "christians are stupid" would still have to hold up). Thus, this would lead to absurd conclusions.

Now, reasons and arguments are just as contextually important as the physical world, so if you neglect those you will also come to absurd conclusions.

So, if your original question didn't take context into account, it's pretty much a non-question.
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Old 08-10-2003, 02:27 AM   #103
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No offense, but in that case the question is rather silly. If you don't use a context ("christians are stupid"), that means it should be valid in any context (e.g. in world X where christianity has just been proven correct, "christians are stupid" would still have to hold up). Thus, this would lead to absurd conclusions.

Now, reasons and arguments are just as contextually important as the physical world, so if you neglect those you will also come to absurd conclusions.

So, if your original question didn't take context into account, it's pretty much a non-question.
Have you taken up smoking hash? You don't seem like yourself today.

Above are 101 GFY reasons why it is not a a "non-question". Why are you belittling everyone like that? It is a question. It has one of those curvy little symbols at the end. See? -> ?

Sometimes questions are asked to prompt further responses and Q and A. Do I really have to explain this all to you? ;-)

There are some really interesting responses in this thead. Like LudeDude's question; "What do you say about someone who's obviously well educated who believes in creationism? "
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Old 08-10-2003, 02:46 AM   #104
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"What do you say about someone who's obviously well educated who believes in creationism? " [/B]
I've always found it strange when Doctors, or scientists I know are Xtian. I don't know that many of them would go as far as believing in creationism though.

I went to a catholic high school and I don't think many/any of the priests there actually believed in creationism.

my opinion of someone who had a good education and believed in creationism would be that they are weird, and probably simple.
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Old 08-10-2003, 06:47 PM   #105
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Have you taken up smoking hash? You don't seem like yourself today.

Above are 101 GFY reasons why it is not a a "non-question". Why are you belittling everyone like that? It is a question. It has one of those curvy little symbols at the end. See? -> ?

Sometimes questions are asked to prompt further responses and Q and A. Do I really have to explain this all to you? ;-)

There are some really interesting responses in this thead. Like LudeDude's question; "What do you say about someone who's obviously well educated who believes in creationism? "
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Regardless of whether there are or are not "beliefs by themselves", what is meant by the original question is that you only have the ability to obtain the beliefs by themselves and have to make an evaluation with that information alone.
All the 101 GFY reasons why it is a question do take context into account. For instance, LudeDude's question is heavily connected with contemporary scientific theories.

You asked a question which, in my opinion, used a wrong premise. I responded using a broader definition of "beliefs" because I thought that was the only way to come to a better understanding of the matter at hand. Now, by saying "the original question is limited to..." you were effectively cutting off further Q&A.

That's like asking the question "How did God create the world?" and blocking out any theories that say God maybe didn't create the world at all. By sticking to your first premises no matter what you may well make it impossible to ever find a satisfying answer.

Personally, I don't see how disagreeing with the premise from the original question is belittling anyone.
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