Any affiliates having bad luck with ccbill this week? - GoFuckYourself.com

rowan · 08-03-2003, 04:14 PM

Looks like I'm heading for my 3rd day in the past 7 that have had zero signups. This is -very- unusual, I haven't seen a zero signup day for months, and certainly not 3 in a week...

Anna_O · 08-03-2003, 04:16 PM

Yes, it's a bit slow there...

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 04:19 PM

I tried to say this a few days ago and everyone accused the website of shaving. I assumed CCBill was scrubbing harder than normal to keep chargebacks in check.

I have had several terrible days. Not mediocre, not slightly lower, terrible.

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 04:27 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ccbill +scrub

hegreryan · 08-03-2003, 04:35 PM

ccbill has had that problem before. let them know about it. they just upgraded their entire system a couple months ago and sometimes the system has problems updating the live results db. i'd also let the webmasters know it. our affiliates usually let us know when this sort of thing happens and we get better results talking to ccbill than they would.

another helpful thing to do is use a link tracker so you know how many clicks you're actually getting and compare it with the numbers you're getting on the ccbill affiliate site.

rowan · 08-03-2003, 04:48 PM

That's the thing, my click levels look normal, and the ratio has gone downhill to reflect that.

Are you from hegre-archives? That's one of my better sponsors, even though it's harder to convert from TGP traffic...

Last week - 1:1032
This week - 1:4191

(yeah, I know the signup:sponsorclicks ratio looks bad even for last week, but the overall earnings from hegre per GALLERY click make it worth it)

Shoplifter · 08-03-2003, 04:50 PM

I don't know about CC Bill but Ibill has dropped off for the last 3 days as well.

faxxaff · 08-03-2003, 05:20 PM

I tried to signup for 2 ccbill sites last Friday. All 6 creditcards I have were declined. Even my mothers card was declined. No wonder you make zero profit.

angelsofporn · 08-03-2003, 05:26 PM

was slow for the last week but today and yesterday have been great

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by hegreryan
ccbill has had that problem before. let them know about it. they just upgraded their entire system a couple months ago and sometimes the system has problems updating the live results db. i'd also let the webmasters know it. our affiliates usually let us know when this sort of thing happens and we get better results talking to ccbill than they would.

another helpful thing to do is use a link tracker so you know how many clicks you're actually getting and compare it with the numbers you're getting on the ccbill affiliate site.

Why would I as an affiliate need to contact a processor handling thousands of transactions a day. If sales are in fact lower overall you better believe they already know about it. Same with individual sites. If a particular site is not converting normal the program owner would see a significant drop.

hegreryan · 08-03-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Are you from hegre-archives?

yep. Most of our affiliates do really well. Our sales have been down too. CCBill says this happens every summer because people are out of the house. We've had a pretty good weekend so far though. So it was just a slow week.

I recommended notifying them if you didn't have any numbers showing. It isn't a requirement, but if there's a bug in their system, the sooner they know about it, the better for everyone. That's just responsible webmastering.

Their techs get on bugs really quickly.

Good luck!! - ryan

hegreryan · 08-03-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by faxxaff
I tried to signup for 2 ccbill sites last Friday. All 6 creditcards I have were declined. Even my mothers card was declined. No wonder you make zero profit.

Yeah, you live in a restricted country. To reduce chargebacks, CCBill has banned all high risk countries. Its not our policy. I would ask them about it.

Hey by the way I tried to get in contact with you about starting a site. Email me at [email protected]

rowan · 08-03-2003, 06:58 PM

Here's the reply from ccbill:

<font face="Courier New">Greetings,

We are not currently aware of any system hangups or the like which would cause abnormal traffic slowdowns. No changes have been made recently that would effect signup scrubbing either. If you still feel that something isn't right, please don't hesitate to contact us at your earliest convenience.</font>

Hmm...

Now, with regards to the summer slowdown... if less people are on the net, then the ratio should remain relatively constant as less clicks get sent through to the sponsor. I am seeing the same level of clicks, but a quarter of the signups (via hegre-archives, anyway). It wasn't a slow decline either, it was a sudden halt.

rowan · 08-03-2003, 07:02 PM

hegreryan: how does your overall signup ratio look this week compared to last week? Is it usually consistent from week to week or does it go all over the place due to the (presumably large) number of affiliates who vary their methods of sending you traffic?

If your ratios are reasonably consistent then I'm very interested to hear how the last 7 days compare. With my own modest level of traffic you can see that my signups are only a quarter of the norm this week.

hegreryan · 08-03-2003, 07:12 PM

our ezine traffic has been down by half, which is usually our traffic indicator. The hegre webmaster said that he had two very strong weeks and then last week sales dropped off a cliff. this weekend they have recovered a bit.

i've seen the same trend with the galitsin and vulis sites. actually, i've even had a conversation with the guys from The Onion and they say their traffic is low too. CCBill says they've seen an average 20% drop in sales across all of their sites for July.

Our sites broke even for July compared to June (2.5% growth across the network) because there was a strong beginning of the month. I think in August we'll see a slow beginning and a strong last two weeks as people get back into their routines and start getting their kids ready for school.

By September we should be growing rapidly as we have been.

By the way, TGP traffic is always a low converter because that traffic is populated by people looking for free photos. Our TGPs usually convert at 1:600.

rowan · 08-03-2003, 07:22 PM

hegreryan - you keep talking about sales, but what about ratios?

I'm being optimistic, and hoping that there might be a smoking gun somewhere that proves there is something wrong with ccbill this week. I can't think of any other explanation, since it's affecting -all- of my ccbill sponsors, not just hegre...

netstarz · 08-03-2003, 08:26 PM

My overall traffic numbers are down. CCBill Ratios are right where they always are for me though. In fact the re-bills are up some.

hegreryan · 08-03-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
hegreryan - you keep talking about sales, but what about ratios? I'm being optimistic, and hoping that there might be a smoking gun somewhere that proves there is something wrong with ccbill this week. I can't think of any other explanation, since it's affecting -all- of my ccbill sponsors, not just hegre...

it would take me a couple of hours to do all of those calculations. I don't plan on that. Sorry man.

the smoking gun is that nearly everyone is having slow sales. they call it the summer slump. i even opened a thread about it and many people confirmed it - all but the tgp guys. this is pretty obvious. if sales are slow, people pump out tgps to increase sales. the result? more free pictures for people to see. big traffic, low sales.

we've never had a negative growth month on any of our sites so we don't plan on doing a whole lot of analysis. we're a little too busy updating three sites daily and building our ezine. not to mention all of our promotion work and our new projects.

i wouldn't let a couple slow weeks worry you. just keep at it...

Suckitbitch · 08-03-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Looks like I'm heading for my 3rd day in the past 7 that have had zero signups. This is -very- unusual, I haven't seen a zero signup day for months, and certainly not 3 in a week...

ATK Cash issued 4 refunds on my account on friday. Kind of odd, never had a chargeback or refund in the past year.

Noticing strange conversion patterns over the past 2 weeks with other ccbill sponsors jumping beetween 1:180 to 1:1400 with the same type and volume of traffic.

Oracle Porn · 08-03-2003, 08:40 PM

yap...pretty slow not only with ccbill but with all that sponsors & proccesors

spooky181 · 08-03-2003, 11:08 PM

I switched to Verotel from CCbill because I have not got a US presence. The moment I switched and ever since my conversion ratio improved incredibly, without any chargeback issues. CCbill has by far the most stringent scrub rate and it will only get worse as they seem to continually tighten it.

Spooky

lexr · 08-03-2003, 11:36 PM

Personally, I'd rather have harder scrubbing than more charge-backs. But that's just me.

EscortBiz · 08-03-2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by hegreryan
CCBill says they've seen an average 20% drop in sales across all of their sites for July.

Who from CCBill told you that?

I use ccbill and my sites are doing very good

Rochard · 08-03-2003, 11:57 PM

Guys, there are a thousand and one things that affect credit card processing that **we** never think of.

A while back we noticed a small decline in transactions. We traced it back to the credit card processing companies, and it was discovered it was a problem with a bank some place - and affected all credit card processing companies.

Any sites that are using cc processors that don't scrub hard will have problems later. Visa has lowered the chargeback ratio to 1%, and it's going to go even lower in the next year (so be prepared). The sites using these cc processors that are playing wild wild west will be gone in the future.

rowan · 08-06-2003, 09:09 PM

After a really bad week with two 0 sale days and one $2 trial sale day...

Today my ccbill sales (as an affiliate) are roughly double the norm, converting at 1:350. These are clicks off saturated teen hosted gallery content. I've never seen a ratio that good. Either there are previously uncredited sales 'catching up' at ccbill, or I'm just lucky today.

Kirkos Makarios · 08-08-2003, 12:49 AM

I thought I 'm the only having problems.

Sales down by half, on the same traffic....

08-03-2003, 04:14 PM	#1
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Any affiliates having bad luck with ccbill this week? Looks like I'm heading for my 3rd day in the past 7 that have had zero signups. This is -very- unusual, I haven't seen a zero signup day for months, and certainly not 3 in a week...

08-03-2003, 04:19 PM	#3
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	I tried to say this a few days ago and everyone accused the website of shaving. I assumed CCBill was scrubbing harder than normal to keep chargebacks in check. I have had several terrible days. Not mediocre, not slightly lower, terrible. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

08-03-2003, 04:27 PM	#4
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ccbill +scrub __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

08-03-2003, 04:35 PM	#5
hegreryan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: global Posts: 75	ccbill has had that problem before. let them know about it. they just upgraded their entire system a couple months ago and sometimes the system has problems updating the live results db. i'd also let the webmasters know it. our affiliates usually let us know when this sort of thing happens and we get better results talking to ccbill than they would. another helpful thing to do is use a link tracker so you know how many clicks you're actually getting and compare it with the numbers you're getting on the ccbill affiliate site. __________________ ,.\|.. ryan ..\|.,

08-03-2003, 05:20 PM	#8
faxxaff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Marina Hemingway Posts: 2,134	I tried to signup for 2 ccbill sites last Friday. All 6 creditcards I have were declined. Even my mothers card was declined. No wonder you make zero profit. __________________ Asian Babes

08-03-2003, 04:16 PM	#2
Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	Yes, it's a bit slow there...

08-03-2003, 04:48 PM	#6
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	That's the thing, my click levels look normal, and the ratio has gone downhill to reflect that. Are you from hegre-archives? That's one of my better sponsors, even though it's harder to convert from TGP traffic... Last week - 1:1032 This week - 1:4191 (yeah, I know the signup:sponsorclicks ratio looks bad even for last week, but the overall earnings from hegre per GALLERY click make it worth it)

08-03-2003, 04:50 PM	#7
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,727	I don't know about CC Bill but Ibill has dropped off for the last 3 days as well.

08-03-2003, 05:26 PM	#9
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	was slow for the last week but today and yesterday have been great

08-03-2003, 06:58 PM	#13
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Here's the reply from ccbill: <font face="Courier New">Greetings, We are not currently aware of any system hangups or the like which would cause abnormal traffic slowdowns. No changes have been made recently that would effect signup scrubbing either. If you still feel that something isn't right, please don't hesitate to contact us at your earliest convenience.</font> Hmm... Now, with regards to the summer slowdown... if less people are on the net, then the ratio should remain relatively constant as less clicks get sent through to the sponsor. I am seeing the same level of clicks, but a quarter of the signups (via hegre-archives, anyway). It wasn't a slow decline either, it was a sudden halt.

08-03-2003, 07:02 PM	#14
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	hegreryan: how does your overall signup ratio look this week compared to last week? Is it usually consistent from week to week or does it go all over the place due to the (presumably large) number of affiliates who vary their methods of sending you traffic? If your ratios are reasonably consistent then I'm very interested to hear how the last 7 days compare. With my own modest level of traffic you can see that my signups are only a quarter of the norm this week.

08-03-2003, 07:12 PM	#15
hegreryan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: global Posts: 75	our ezine traffic has been down by half, which is usually our traffic indicator. The hegre webmaster said that he had two very strong weeks and then last week sales dropped off a cliff. this weekend they have recovered a bit. i've seen the same trend with the galitsin and vulis sites. actually, i've even had a conversation with the guys from The Onion and they say their traffic is low too. CCBill says they've seen an average 20% drop in sales across all of their sites for July. Our sites broke even for July compared to June (2.5% growth across the network) because there was a strong beginning of the month. I think in August we'll see a slow beginning and a strong last two weeks as people get back into their routines and start getting their kids ready for school. By September we should be growing rapidly as we have been. By the way, TGP traffic is always a low converter because that traffic is populated by people looking for free photos. Our TGPs usually convert at 1:600. __________________ ,.\|.. ryan ..\|.,

08-03-2003, 07:22 PM	#16
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	hegreryan - you keep talking about sales, but what about ratios? I'm being optimistic, and hoping that there might be a smoking gun somewhere that proves there is something wrong with ccbill this week. I can't think of any other explanation, since it's affecting -all- of my ccbill sponsors, not just hegre...

08-03-2003, 08:26 PM	#17
netstarz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: MI Posts: 367	My overall traffic numbers are down. CCBill Ratios are right where they always are for me though. In fact the re-bills are up some. __________________ Kiss a piano player today

08-03-2003, 08:40 PM	#20
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	yap...pretty slow not only with ccbill but with all that sponsors & proccesors

08-03-2003, 11:08 PM	#21
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	I switched to Verotel from CCbill because I have not got a US presence. The moment I switched and ever since my conversion ratio improved incredibly, without any chargeback issues. CCbill has by far the most stringent scrub rate and it will only get worse as they seem to continually tighten it. Spooky

08-03-2003, 11:36 PM	#22
lexr Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 428	Personally, I'd rather have harder scrubbing than more charge-backs. But that's just me.

08-03-2003, 11:57 PM	#24
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,057	Guys, there are a thousand and one things that affect credit card processing that we never think of. A while back we noticed a small decline in transactions. We traced it back to the credit card processing companies, and it was discovered it was a problem with a bank some place - and affected all credit card processing companies. Any sites that are using cc processors that don't scrub hard will have problems later. Visa has lowered the chargeback ratio to 1%, and it's going to go even lower in the next year (so be prepared). The sites using these cc processors that are playing wild wild west will be gone in the future. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

08-06-2003, 09:09 PM	#25
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	After a really bad week with two 0 sale days and one $2 trial sale day... Today my ccbill sales (as an affiliate) are roughly double the norm, converting at 1:350. These are clicks off saturated teen hosted gallery content. I've never seen a ratio that good. Either there are previously uncredited sales 'catching up' at ccbill, or I'm just lucky today.

08-08-2003, 12:49 AM	#26
Kirkos Makarios Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 79	I thought I 'm the only having problems. Sales down by half, on the same traffic.... __________________ 1:40 on Google