Ask me a design question. I will give 5 responses to 5 good questions.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Wanna break 600 posts and have them last 5 posts be of substance. If thats possible.

[foe]

(wrong board for that)

[The Truth Hurts]

What sites have you designed?

[BRISK]

Whats the name of some fonts where the letters look like they're dripping cum off of them?

[Amputate Your Head]

What is the accepted standard flow to a porn site, top to bottom.

(Bradshit, don't bother replying, we all know you're too fucking dumb to know such things)

[Thrawn$]

name a good plugin for a len flair, and post a link then i can download it

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Thrawn$
name a good plugin for a len flair, and post a link then i can download it

Alien is too slow... Genesis VFX is the answer.

[galleryseek]

ok. considering that well over 90% of internet users online have flash enabled, would you think it'd be more profitable to design a site with a flash interface (or atleast half of it flash) at say 90kb, opposed to a standard html design at 90kb.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"What is the accepted standard flow to a porn site, top to bottom."

Love ya Amp, very good question and out of respect I must answer you

Accepted standards for Pornsites.
Humm.

Well I think all "Standards" for pornsites is pretty broad but I am sure it certainly concerns the business model at hand of course.

I will take a subscription site tour for an example of "Standardised" since it is seemingly overly standardised in my opinion to a point of hysteria. I believe the way of 5 page presentation hallmark tours are over. Its 80's porn style with crops fades and textures must end. I believe your selling the content not "Shock and Awe" of perfect symetry and colors IE " Graphical Cosmetics".

Firstly from the top of the page, I believe "The deal" at hand needs to be mentioned. In a big way.

FREE ACCESS or things along those lines.
"Get ACCESS FOR 66 CENTS A DAY!" or What ever. I think that what ever your selling is the most important in a tour. The click was already delivered to the tour via something that appealed to the visitor, these days most often I think Galleries are selling sites primarily which contain the girls or niche that the click liked and wants more of.
Then again many other considerations if possible should be taken and accounted for before developing a tour as to where traffic sources are mostly comming from.

After the deal follow with the site name. The domain preferably of course.

Below that a Members button "Members Enter Here" Then another Get access button next to it.

Content. Sell the girl and sites features. Tell the potential client "WHAT THEY GET!" Show em the chicks also but grace it with the matter at hand with casual text

EXAMPLE:
"WE GOT THE FULL COLLECTION OF SANDRA! SHE 19 YEAR'S OLD AND HORNY! 500 PHOTOS PLUS 10 DOWNLOADABLE VIDEO CLIPS!".
I like reading about a girl sometimes on a tour. A little info is always good about the chicks inside.

Bottom Offer a Next page, and to the right of it a ACCESS NOW stating the deal.

With the intelligent use of animated GIF's you can use them to attract attention to once again the matter at hand.

You know as well as I do that this is basic. but then again. Standard.

[Amputate Your Head]

sorry.



wrong.

[The Truth Hurts]

and he skipped my question.

[Va2k]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
sorry.



wrong.

will you explain it so it is explained right?
TOM

what is, according to you, the 5-10 best designed paysites on the net? Im not saying that convert best, Im saying that look best

thanx in advance

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"I will take a subscription site tour for an example of "Standardised" since it is seemingly overly standardised in my opinion to a point of hysteria. I believe the way of 5 page presentation hallmark tours are over. Its 80's porn style with crops fades and textures must end. I believe your selling the content not "Shock and Awe" of perfect symetry and colors IE " Graphical Cosmetics"."

Thats the part AMP dont like.
He depends on to much filters in his deisgns.
So I expected a smart easy reply on his part to the ring of "Wrong" without much thought to what I described above.

It is an afront to most designers since designers these days sell how well they look and not how good the content is.

another question by me:

on a scale of 1/10, how important is the tour design of a payste?
1 being not important @ all (I would take UWS for example)
10 being the #1 reason why a member will join your site

do you have any connection with alienware pc gear?

[BRISK]

he skipped my question

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"what is, according to you, the 5-10 best designed paysites on the net? Im not saying that convert best, Im saying that look best"

I like this question

UNBIASED AND NO ANGLE, HONESTLY.

I like:
pimp4aday.com -
It captures well with the Reality thing with the extreme "Pimp" It sells the image well but sells the content just as good if not better.

spunkmouth.com - Direct with the content. This is a good tour but I think it needs to sell the deal a little more.

mpegstation.com - Its direct with no spin and sells the site features incredibly well.

realbutts.com - Plenty of content lots to see, it probly keeps the visitor comming back if not keeping em awake at night feverishly clutching there credit card fighting with whether or not to subscribe.

monstersofcock.com - Huge images selling the content.

Did I mention looks mean nothing? Its all about the Format in my opinion.

[BRISK]

he skipped my question.....again

Originally posted by BRISK
he skipped my question.....again

he said he will only answer to 5 good ones

[The Truth Hurts]

So, what sites have you designed?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
So, what sites have you designed?

good question

[The Truth Hurts]

...and that's as legitimate of a question as you can hope for.

if you're going to offer up your wisdom, it can only add credibility to your replies, plus it'd be nice to know if you can actually back it up, or are just blowing smoke... and from the looks of the 5 sites you just listed... i think i smell something burning.

[MarkTiarra]

Originally posted by AlienQ
[B
It is an afront to most designers since designers these days sell how well they look and not how good the content is. [/B]

Being a designer myself I can say it's not an affront but it does make the job less fun. =]

I agree that in many circumstances it depends on the content more than how the content is presented, but that doesn't eliminate the need to understand how to present your content in the best way. And also, there is still a call for "eye-candy" sites but it depends on the site type, the major traffic sources you'll be working with and also sometimes if you have the need to impress webmasters into sending traffic, etc...

This isn't so different as it has always been though. There is just a proliferation of "reality" type tours these days and it's causing webmasters to become much more aware of the balance between content and presentation whereas they undervalued content before. Even the best tours of old worked best because of which models they integrated into those graphics and
which thumbshots they showed, etc... Now with MPEG sites being so big, the only style of presentation most people have learned to make work thus far is the "reality" type.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Sites I designed ehh?
Believe me, its not a good question.

A: It exposes me.
B: Exposes people I know and trust.
C: Provides "Ammo" for you other desperate designers.
D: Creates Alienation and the belief I got an angle.

[The Truth Hurts]

the reality trend is nothing more than the reinvented wheel of the 97/98 longform tour's of ce and karas.. both instituted by the same person... long ass pages... countless thumbnails, and 10x more text than anyone is going to actually read.

the only difference is that they've been snazzied up a tad, and in many cases are MUCH more hardcore than the old days.

[drunkdollars]

What is a reality site and what makes one convert?

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by AlienQ
Sites I designed ehh?
Believe me, its not a good question.

A: It exposes me.
B: Exposes people I know and trust.
C: Provides "Ammo" for you other desperate designers.
D: Creates Alienation and the belief I got an angle.

thanks for playing.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"What is a reality site and what makes one convert?"

This is awesome question.

Check it out.
Reality TV is somthing the Major Broadcast Networks tried to bury this season but it is indeed the formidable dread of advterisers in television.

Ya read that article about how the Networks wanted to step away from reality shows? A couple months back when they tried to play down reality based series?
Basically some sponsors did not want there Tampon advertisement to appear with girls eating worms in a reality series. Makes sense no?

Well that same fucken thing is happening on the net.
But...
It is also battle on the net just like it is on the Major Broadcast Networks. The concept of Amateur and its niches are dominating I think a large portion of subscriptions these days.
"Reality Shows" on TV are portrayed as reality with the concept of recording "As it Happened".

So how do you take "As it happened" in porn? To sign releases and agreements before hand of course is important. To let the camara go from there is where its at. If it goes down good I honestly believe your gonna make some sales.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I have proclaimed before that I do not watch television.
I well don't yet, but on Sunday I will once again

I went and bought a 55' Inch HDTV television from Sharp.
Gettin HBO and the whole nine yards. Its gonna be interesting to see Television as I have boycotted it for almost 6 years now.

[Dirty F]

Amp is all over you.

He's waiting for you to say something wrong so he can flame you.

Threads like this make his dick hard.

[drunkdollars]

Well that same fucken thing is happening on the net.
But...


What exactly is happening on the net? I dont see what you mean. Are webmasters or surfers boycoting the reality niche?

[stevecore]

Originally posted by AlienQ
Sites I designed ehh?
Believe me, its not a good question.

A: It exposes me.
B: Exposes people I know and trust.
C: Provides "Ammo" for you other desperate designers.
D: Creates Alienation and the belief I got an angle.

i know! i know!

very impressive!

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Battuss
Amp is all over you.

He's waiting for you to say something wrong so he can flame you.

Threads like this make his dick hard.

lol.... I would never do that.... !



(stay tuned)

[stevecore]

now for my question.

With the surge of users switching to broadband internet access, the days of keeping pages below 80K are quickly becoming numbered. whats your file size limit for index pages, tour pages and joins?

Originally posted by stevecore
now for my question.

With the surge of users switching to broadband internet access, the days of keeping pages below 80K are quickly becoming numbered. whats your file size limit for index pages, tour pages and joins?

good Q

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by AlienQ
Sites I designed ehh?
Believe me, its not a good question.

A: It exposes me.
B: Exposes people I know and trust.
C: Provides "Ammo" for you other desperate designers.
D: Creates Alienation and the belief I got an angle.

A: Too Afraid of critique.
B: Bullshit. They're sending traffic to it, so it's already exposed.
C: "Desperate"? ROFFLMMFAO!!!!!!! Stop patting yourself on the back bitch.
D: Huh?! What the fuck are you talking about?



put up or shut up.

[pimplink]

Quick question: shouldn't designers be judged SOLELY on how well their designs convert? It may look like shit or totally unimaginative crap....but at the end of the day, conversion beats "pretty" every time.

Originally posted by AlienQ
"I will take a subscription site tour for an example of "Standardised" since it is seemingly overly standardised in my opinion to a point of hysteria. I believe the way of 5 page presentation hallmark tours are over. Its 80's porn style with crops fades and textures must end. I believe your selling the content not "Shock and Awe" of perfect symetry and colors IE " Graphical Cosmetics"."

Thats the part AMP dont like.
He depends on to much filters in his deisgns.
So I expected a smart easy reply on his part to the ring of "Wrong" without much thought to what I described above.

It is an afront to most designers since designers these days sell how well they look and not how good the content is.

[drunkdollars]

Originally posted by pimplink
Quick question: shouldn't designers be judged SOLELY on how well their designs convert? It may look like shit or totally unimaginative crap....but at the end of the day, conversion beats "pretty" every time.

I would say pretty is only valid when designing webmaster programs..

[Amputate Your Head]

some of us are blessed with both....


not saying who..... just, "some of us"....

[pimplink]

Originally posted by drunkdollars



I would say pretty is only valid when designing webmaster programs..

hmmmm.... but aren't program sites meant to SELL the affiliate into signing up as well? There are differences but isn't the end behavior the same?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I missed my fucken point and diverged some

Whats happening on the net is basically you got webmasters who got traffic and trying out ways to filter "Reality site traffic" and the "Megasite Traffic"

Do ya cut off it off at the neck and just drop your traffic to an Amateur niche first before hitting em with a reality site or throw em at a Mega site niche first then show some amateur reality?
With visitors to your sites ya only get a couple clicks out of them unless ya got bookmarkers which is a different game with its own complexities.

I think there is a huge difference between a Megasite Niche and a Reality Based Site Niche and working traffic to the destination. Reality sitest makes filtering a little more difficult so I think its a little harder for a webmaster to promote but yet well worth the results when done right.

[MarkTiarra]

Originally posted by pimplink
Quick question: shouldn't designers be judged SOLELY on how well their designs convert? It may look like shit or totally unimaginative crap....but at the end of the day, conversion beats "pretty" every time.

If I ever meet you I'm buying you dinner. I've been babbling on about that for years! You want pretty or you want profitable? Sometimes you can get both, but not always.

[AssFairy]

Originally posted by pimplink
Quick question: shouldn't designers be judged SOLELY on how well their designs convert? It may look like shit or totally unimaginative crap....but at the end of the day, conversion beats "pretty" every time.

word

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am with Mark T. on the opinion of Effectiveness vs. Looks.
I seen ya preach that many times Mark T. your definatly right in my opinion.

Nothing hurts more though to see a hard worked design get beatin by a quick tour with little graphics, but if thats the future and I believe it partially is, design is gonna get a whole lot cheaper

600.

[drunkdollars]

Originally posted by pimplink


hmmmm.... but aren't program sites meant to SELL the affiliate into signing up as well? There are differences but isn't the end behavior the same?

yes but I think webmasters are more inclined to "judge a book by its cover"

[MarkTiarra]

Originally posted by AlienQ
I am with Mark T. on the opinion of Effectiveness vs. Looks.
I seen ya preach that many times Mark T. your definatly right in my opinion.

Nothing hurts more though to see a hard worked design get beatin by a quick tour with little graphics, but if thats the future and I believe it partially is, design is gonna get a whole lot cheaper

600.

I don't know if it'll go down as a whole. It really does depend on a number of factors and a site with well presented content that is plain vs. a site with well presented content that is done up real nice is what you have to consider. It's early to say for sure, but so far I'm seeing that the sites done up well with good content presentation will outperform ones that are flat and simple with the exception existing on people getting alot of traffic from typically low bandwidth sources.

The trick is determining what that traffic is about and really with sites that have high bookmark ratios like certain TGPs we all know, you'll see some of them do better with plain sites because the TGP is low bandwidth and features less bandwidth intensive content (thus modem users bookmark the site) and some work well on the higher bandwidth stuff.

The only wy to know for sure is to do up multiple tours and split your traffic around. We just did that with:

http://www.naughtytvnetwork.com/front.php
vs.
http://www.naughtytvnetwork.com/2/front.php
vs.
http://www.naughtytvnetwork.com/3/front.php

Now I know the first question in most people's mind is, "So which tour is converting best?"

But if you are to get my point in this, then you will ask, "Which tour is converting best with which traffic?"

=]

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

As Mark T. Reveals the true "Can of worms" concerning design these days.

Thats right folks...
Cheaper designs are ahead but your gonna need more than one for a site!

[The Truth Hurts]

personally speaking, between the 5 alien posted, and the 3 mark posted... if that's the future, the future is pretty fucking dull.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
personally speaking, between the 5 alien posted, and the 3 mark posted... if that's the future, the future is pretty fucking dull.

I'm totally with ya brah